Review - Saints vs Crows

[FQF]

You would have to doubt Murdoch's chances at the moment. Made very little progress since being drafted three years ago. Penciling him in as the basis for one heck of a midfield is fanciful at this stage.

[saintsRrising]

On recruiting....I think that right about now that we have the "quantity" under controol (in that we now have players for reasonable structure and depth) but that now need the top-tier " quality" and in particualr elite mids.

Adding more depth players now is not really going to achieve much and will just be swapping like with like, or older like, with younger like.

If we can get several elite mids that can use the ball really well then players like Dunstan can be part of a good midfied unit, but if Dunstan has to become our next No 1 after Steven and armo, then we are in trouble.

Which is not to say that an elite player in any poistion would not be welcome, but in the midfield is where it can now make the most difference in making us a contender again.

Problem is I am yet to be convinced that an elite FA mid would choose us over say Hawthorn. Guys like Sloane may be available, but if we have to trade for him, then that will just be robbing Peter to pay Paul stuff.

The Blues are a rabble at present, but what that probably means is that any young gun mid on the move next year, purely motivated by money, will quite possibly get seduced by the Blues money men with some under the table rort as they will be desperate to land someone. I expect they will trade Gibs for a low draft pick, and at 26 Crows or PA would porbably both be keen.

[gringo]

I think it's pointless to assume that any player will not be good enough to play in a premiership. Chris Dawes hold a premiership medallion. You don't have to have 22 A graders. It could be argued some of our les spectacular players were close like Eddy and Mc Qualter. Geary as your 22 player would make you a very strong team. Delaney plays his role and plenty of stodgy full backs have won premierships.

So the conversation only goes one way. People can say this side can win a flag in 5 years but people who think they cant cannot point out why because its pointless to assume that any player will not be good enough to play in a premiership side but it is ok to assume they can play in the side. Sounds to rather silly to me. And its fine that you think geary and Delaney may play in a flag but I think they wont and I also think we are 8-10 players short of getting there. Each to their own.

I think it's pretty pointless saying such and such will be A grade with very little evidence other than a few games for evidence too. I don't think we will know who is going to play in a challenging side for a while yet. Obviously everyone saw Bruce as a possible 5 goal a game FF before the start of the year and some thought Bontempelli was going for the brownlow after last season. I remember thinking that Ball would win a Brownlow and Goddard was a waste of a pick. Xavier Clarke was going to be the best of the lot. I obviously didn't realise I said both Geary and Del were definite premiership players. All I'm saying is it's not likely to be them the first delisted and in all likelihood they will be around for sometime and that gives them more chance than Simpkin or Murdoch right at this point in time.


Anyway I think geary is probably going pretty well in team awards along with Schnieder even though it seems that the forum has spoken and both are hopeless. One of Saunders or Wright might come on and be the next Josh Bruce, conversely they could both be gone in 2 years. Billings knee might go three times and he never reaches his ceiling, Acres might be better than Fyfe. Just sit back and enjoy the ride don't get all antsy about how much development time those guys are taking off the kids.

[plugger66]

I think it's pointless to assume that any player will not be good enough to play in a premiership. Chris Dawes hold a premiership medallion. You don't have to have 22 A graders. It could be argued some of our les spectacular players were close like Eddy and Mc Qualter. Geary as your 22 player would make you a very strong team. Delaney plays his role and plenty of stodgy full backs have won premierships.

So the conversation only goes one way. People can say this side can win a flag in 5 years but people who think they cant cannot point out why because its pointless to assume that any player will not be good enough to play in a premiership side but it is ok to assume they can play in the side. Sounds to rather silly to me. And its fine that you think geary and Delaney may play in a flag but I think they wont and I also think we are 8-10 players short of getting there. Each to their own.

I think it's pretty pointless saying such and such will be A grade with very little evidence other than a few games for evidence too. I don't think we will know who is going to play in a challenging side for a while yet. Obviously everyone saw Bruce as a possible 5 goal a game FF before the start of the year and some thought Bontempelli was going for the brownlow after last season. I remember thinking that Ball would win a Brownlow and Goddard was a waste of a pick. Xavier Clarke was going to be the best of the lot. I obviously didn't realise I said both Geary and Del were definite premiership players. All I'm saying is it's not likely to be them the first delisted and in all likelihood they will be around for sometime and that gives them more chance than Simpkin or Murdoch right at this point in time.


Anyway I think geary is probably going pretty well in team awards along with Schnieder even though it seems that the forum has spoken and both are hopeless. One of Saunders or Wright might come on and be the next Josh Bruce, conversely they could both be gone in 2 years. Billings knee might go three times and he never reaches his ceiling, Acres might be better than Fyfe. Just sit back and enjoy the ride don't get all antsy about how much development time those guys are taking off the kids.

Well its also pointless saying I want this player in or out of the side because no one in power is listening. Its just a discussion and when someone says this side has potential to be a premiership side I don't think we all need to agree especially when logic and history says there will be about 8 to 10 changes in the next 3 years even if we don't make the finals. Its then we discuss who we think will be in and out and of course we all will be wrong but this forum is about discussion.

[gringo]

I think it's pointless to assume that any player will not be good enough to play in a premiership. Chris Dawes hold a premiership medallion. You don't have to have 22 A graders. It could be argued some of our les spectacular players were close like Eddy and Mc Qualter. Geary as your 22 player would make you a very strong team. Delaney plays his role and plenty of stodgy full backs have won premierships.

So the conversation only goes one way. People can say this side can win a flag in 5 years but people who think they cant cannot point out why because its pointless to assume that any player will not be good enough to play in a premiership side but it is ok to assume they can play in the side. Sounds to rather silly to me. And its fine that you think geary and Delaney may play in a flag but I think they wont and I also think we are 8-10 players short of getting there. Each to their own.

I think it's pretty pointless saying such and such will be A grade with very little evidence other than a few games for evidence too. I don't think we will know who is going to play in a challenging side for a while yet. Obviously everyone saw Bruce as a possible 5 goal a game FF before the start of the year and some thought Bontempelli was going for the brownlow after last season. I remember thinking that Ball would win a Brownlow and Goddard was a waste of a pick. Xavier Clarke was going to be the best of the lot. I obviously didn't realise I said both Geary and Del were definite premiership players. All I'm saying is it's not likely to be them the first delisted and in all likelihood they will be around for sometime and that gives them more chance than Simpkin or Murdoch right at this point in time.


Anyway I think geary is probably going pretty well in team awards along with Schnieder even though it seems that the forum has spoken and both are hopeless. One of Saunders or Wright might come on and be the next Josh Bruce, conversely they could both be gone in 2 years. Billings knee might go three times and he never reaches his ceiling, Acres might be better than Fyfe. Just sit back and enjoy the ride don't get all antsy about how much development time those guys are taking off the kids.

Well its also pointless saying I want this player in or out of the side because no one in power is listening. Its just a discussion and when someone says this side has potential to be a premiership side I don't think we all need to agree especially when logic and history says there will be about 8 to 10 changes in the next 3 years even if we don't make the finals. Its then we discuss who we think will be in and out and of course we all will be wrong but this forum is about discussion.

When did I say they were a Premiership side? I think we should respect the players we have and see what those guys are bringing to the club right now. Geary at worst sets an incredible standard at training with a monster work rate. He has the ethic left over from guys like Lenny who learnt it from Harvey. At the moment Delaney is a very solid full back and people are very quick to forget how many forwards got hold of us when we didn't have a FB. I remember we made Petrie look like Plugger one night. It's pretty disrespectful to start calling for their heads while there aren't even obvious replacements. I would say those two are probably in our best 10 players and so if the list gets to a point where they are our worst we will be in a very good position. It definitely doesn't discount us from a premiership.

[plugger66]

When did I say they were a Premiership side? I think we should respect the players we have and see what those guys are bringing to the club right now. Geary at worst sets an incredible standard at training with a monster work rate. He has the ethic left over from guys like Lenny who learnt it from Harvey. At the moment Delaney is a very solid full back and people are very quick to forget how many forwards got hold of us when we didn't have a FB. I remember we made Petrie look like Plugger one night. It's pretty disrespectful to start calling for their heads while there aren't even obvious replacements. I would say those two are probably in our best 10 players and so if the list gets to a point where they are our worst we will be in a very good position. It definitely doesn't discount us from a premiership.

When did I say you did? You were commenting on others who commenting on what Lodger said. And I don't get the respecting players thing either. I respect Rooy more than just about anyone in the AFL but he isn't going to play in a premiership side. I happen to think Geary wont either. Nothing to do with not respecting him. I take it at the end of the year you never get involved in the delist thread because surely saying someone will be delisted isn't showing respect under your definition. And who is calling for heads. gringo you get emotive over players but facts show nearly half the current players wont be playing in a top 4 side. I take it you think the current side will play in our next premiership side? I like your loyalty. it just doesn't make sense.

[bergholt]

Armitage; Steven; Dunstan; Billings; Acres; Sinclair; Templeton; McKenzie; Ross; Weller & Murdoch. That is a basis for one heck of a midfield. Big bodied too.

Four of those guys have played less than 10 games. Acres 4, Sinclair 7, Templeton 8, McKenzie 3. How did you feel about Tom Ledger when he'd played 6 games at the end of 2012? Most people thought he was a monty to take the next step. From that point he only played two games and was delisted. Any of these guys could be the same.

And Murdoch has barely played in the midfield even at Sandy level. Not sure how you can count him. Looks more like an undersized third tall forward to me. Not to mention that I don't particularly rate Ross, looking forward to him proving me wrong but as it stands I think he's not good enough.