Forwards on Debut

[bergholt]

John Georgiades: 22 disposals, 8 marks, score 8.4
Scott Cummings: 11 disposals, 8 marks, score 8.1
Adrian McAdam: 12 disposals, 3 marks, score 7.2
Sav Rocca: 8 disposals, 6 marks, score 4.2
Jason Dunstall: 12 disposals, 5 marks, score 3.3
Matthew Lloyd: 12 disposals, 3 marks, score 3.2
Tom Hawkins: 8 disposals, 6 marks, score 3.2
Chris Grant: 9 disposals, 9 marks, score 2.3
Matthew Pavlich: 10 disposals, 3 marks, score 2.2
Stephen Milne: 17 disposals, 7 marks, score 2.1
Jarryd Roughead: 12 disposals, 3 marks, score 2.1
Stephen Kernahan: 15 disposals, 8 marks, score 2.0
Tony Lockett: 5 disposals, 4 marks, score 2.0
Tony Modra: 5 disposals, 2 marks, score 1.3
Matthew Richardson: 20 disposals, 9 marks, score 1.2
Travis Cloke: 16 disposals, 4 marks, score 1.1
Barry Hall: 10 disposals, 4 marks, score 1.1
Gary Ablett: 6 disposals, 2 marks, score 1.1
Jonathon Patton: 7 disposals, 4 marks, score 1.0
Stewart Loewe: 7 disposals, 3 marks, score 1.0
Chris Tarrant: 7 disposals, 3 marks, score 1.0
Andrew McDougall: 8 disposals, 3 marks, score 0.1
Jarrad Grant: 8 disposals, 2 marks, score 0.1
Jack Watts: 8 disposals, 1 mark, score 0.1
Nick Riewoldt: 3 disposals, 1 mark, score 0.1
David Neitz: 10 disposals, 2 marks, score 0.0
Paddy McCartin: 9 disposals, 3 marks, score 0.0
Jeremy Cameron: 8 disposals, 5 marks, score 0.0
Anthony Rocca: 8 disposals, 2 marks, score 0.0
Luke Livingston: 7 disposals, 5 marks, score 0.0
Wayne Carey: 7 disposals, 3 marks, score 0.0
Scott Lucas: 7 disposals, 1 mark, score 0.0
Lance Franklin: 6 disposals, 2 marks, score 0.0
Scott Gumbleton: 5 disposals, 4 marks, score 0.0
Jack Riewoldt: 5 disposals, 2 marks, score 0.0
Tom Boyd: 5 disposals, 2 marks, score 0.0
Warren Tredrea: 4 disposals, 0 marks, score 0.0
Josh Kennedy: 3 disposals, 2 marks, score 0.0
Brendan Fevola: 1 disposal, 0 marks, score 0.0
Jonathan Brown: 0 disposals, 0 marks, score 0.0


Conclusion? There isn't one.

He had a poor night and that doesn't necessarily mean anything at all for his career.

[saint-stu]

He doesn't look ready to me. Show glimpses and you can see he will be good given time.

I don't understand why he has jumped Buddy White and Tommy Lee in the pecking order so soon. I'm sure he will eventually be a better player than both, but right now why can't White get a turn? He may have kicked a goal or two.

[jonesy]

Spencer's injured

[Toy Saint]

I'm just amazed and impressed with the comprehensive data that Bergholt has collected. Where do you get all of this data? and how long does it take to collate?

[saint-stu]

Spencer's injured

Oh! What's wrong with him? How long is he sidelined?

[longtimesaint]

He doesn't look ready to me. Show glimpses and you can see he will be good given time.

I don't understand why he has jumped Buddy White and Tommy Lee in the pecking order so soon. I'm sure he will eventually be a better player than both, but right now why can't White get a turn? He may have kicked a goal or two.

He needs to spend time in the VFL. The problem is we do not have a replacement for Roo.
White is frequently injured and Lee not up to it.
It may have been better to have played Hickey and maybe create some crumbs.

[bergholt]

I'm just amazed and impressed with the comprehensive data that Bergholt has collected. Where do you get all of this data? and how long does it take to collate?

Pulled it from http://afltables.com/ - took about 15 minutes!

[remboy]

He doesn't look ready to me. Show glimpses and you can see he will be good given time.

I don't understand why he has jumped Buddy White and Tommy Lee in the pecking order so soon. I'm sure he will eventually be a better player than both, but right now why can't White get a turn? He may have kicked a goal or two.

Don't think the conditions would have suited Spencer and I'd say they thought McCartin might provide more of a contest physically than Lee. Then there's also the chance that Roo will only miss one game so maybe they thought it was a good opportunity to give him a small taste before he goes back to the VFL.

[realdeal]

He doesn't look ready to me. Show glimpses and you can see he will be good given time.

I don't understand why he has jumped Buddy White and Tommy Lee in the pecking order so soon. I'm sure he will eventually be a better player than both, but right now why can't White get a turn? He may have kicked a goal or two.

Don't think the conditions would have suited Spencer and I'd say they thought McCartin might provide more of a contest physically than Lee. Then there's also the chance that Roo will only miss one game so maybe they thought it was a good opportunity to give him a small taste before he goes back to the VFL.

I think White was probably a bit underdone but I think he debuted against Richmond last year in the rain and kicked 3 goals..

For his first game I just think playing Paddy in the wet with no roo to help him out and without previously playing a proper vfl/reserves game was setting him up to fail.

[bergsone]

Early days yet,but agree didn't look as if he is quite ready yet

Lets face it ball didn't get up there much did it

[4ever_saint]

Just pointing out that Boyd had 4 disposals, 1 mark, 0 goals last week in a winning team (and perfect conditions at the MCG). That's 11 games in.

Tall forwards are a work in progress. I remember back in 2005 when St Kilda played Hawthorn in Round 12 and it was Lance Franklin's first year (he was 12 games into his career). Franklin played on Matt Maguire that day and Maguire kicked 3 goals on him, collected 25 disposals and was BOG. He also recieved the 3 Brownlow votes for the game.

Put it into perspective. You can't all debut like Stephen Milne

[Andreous]

Pretty tough start finding out 1 hour before the game. I would give him half the season in the VFL. No point him being bashed around and starved of opportunities when he could develop his game in the VFL. I would have liked to see White (unfortunate about the injury). Otherwise why not bring in Hickey?

[Munga]

Funny people saying he isn't ready. No one is a ready made footballer when they start. Look at those stats, he's better than Brown, Tredrea, Franklin and Carey. Did they go back and play in the twos until they were ready? It's an overrated term. Just manage the bodies. As far as the mind goes, you've either got it (Bangers) or you aint (Watts).

[Griggsy]

Great stats, well done. Wish I had that on the Bigfooty board last night.

[gringo]

Silly selection and should have played Lee or even Hickey forward. Was the opposite to what they said they would do to.

[saintsRrising]

On the plus side, he got one game to havea taste of AFL Levevel Pressure so that he knows what is required.

He was quite possibly told that was just filling in for this week and so may not play next week, unless they dropa small.

Membrey had some postive signs last night, and so that will keep him in the team.

And BruceAlmighty was steady with 2 goals.

Club will be keen to go well in NZ against the blues and so I see Roo and Joey both back in.

Reserves are playing Sunday, making it hard to pick anyone for next Saturday. So watch for who does not play tomorrow.

[plugger66]

Silly selection and should have played Lee or even Hickey forward. Was the opposite to what they said they would do to.

I thought they said they would play the guys in form so they did exactly what they said they would do.

[spert]

I saw Lockett play his first game for us, and thought then that he could be useful player- I saw similar in Paddy..big bloke with sharp skills, and although still raw could get one more game.

[Dr Spaceman]

I saw Lockett play his first game for us, and thought then that he could be useful player- I saw similar in Paddy..big bloke with sharp skills, and although still raw could get one more game.

Well if Roo doesn't come up, and neither White or Lee do anything special today, I'd say it's almost certain that Paddy gets to cross the ditch.

And I'd have no problem with that.

[FQF]

The pecking order for the spot next week:

Riewoldt


Daylight


Spencer (with a 3+ goal good performance today)
Paddy
Spencer (with an average performance today)

It doesn't say much about Lee's chances that when he's fit and healthy he is not even in calculations.

[Dr Spaceman]

With Paddy now out of today's game it allows greater opportunities for others to shine.

Knowing our luck it will probably be the unselectable Mitch Brown who slots a bag

[magnifisaint]

With Paddy now out of today's game it allows greater opportunities for others to shine.

Knowing our luck it will probably be the unselectable Mitch Brown who slots a bag

Just knock him out with some friendly fire

[The Redeemer]

We have a good one on our hands.

The fact that he couldn't take a grab on a wet day was almost a blessing. His follow up work and his work at ground level was fantastic. He has a brain.

What is fantastic is that despite botching a few marks, he quickly recovered and impacts the next passages of play or was able to regather and dish off.

[Con Gorozidis]

Call me crazy but I was actually impressed. I was at the ground and he kept running to the right spots and getting by himself.
Ok he dropped some marks - but being in the right spots is half the game. God knows Stanley took 7 years and could never learn where and when to run.
Those marks stay in and suddenly he has 10+ marks to his name. He also seems tough.

[Zed]

Strikes me as the sort of kid that would be seriously annoyed at the marks he dropped - and will work his butt off to improve.

With Roo out for a few weeks I hope they give him a couple more games. I think he will improve quite a bit once he gets his first 25 games out the way, and again once he gets to 60'odd games.