Saints- Pass or Fail for Trade Period?

[stinger]

We bring in Tim Membrey who from all accounts is more of a Gunston type forward. He reads ok on paper, we effectively get him for nothing.

So this year we will gain: Membrey, pick 21. We lose: Stanley and pick 60

How I assess Pass or Fail is what we did with our available picks, and did we improve on what we started with.

Using our PSD on a fringe player I do not regard as a win. That should be a bare minimum when you have first pick.

If we had of landed a name player with our PSD I would rate that a win.

Last year was a huge win.

This year it would seem how one rates, depends on how one rates Stanley.

we can still use pick 41 on membray if the swans delist him....giving us a chance to recruit someone else in the psd...

[Zed]

we traded stanley coz we got lulled into thinking that we can pick up someone better with 21. Last years draft was one of the best ever - and kudos to our recruitment guy they did an excellent job last year. I would be stoked if we can get someone of quality at pick 21, but history suggests you have to be very lucky to snag an A grader with a pick in the 20's.

By the way, why dont they allow clubs to continue trading picks only (ie no players involved) right up to the week of the draft ?. No contracts need to be lodged - it would all be just administrative.

[Dr Spaceman]

I'm just glad we didn't get bullied into giving pick 1 for less than we were asking. Seems the period is nuetral, no fail or win.

They did say they would be active but can't force trades on other clubs, I do believe we would have traded more if gws had pick 3 though.

Exactly.

[Harvey To Hayes]

Fail sadly. really wanted those multiple first round picks as I truly believe it would have fast tracked our rebuild big time. Imagine having picks 4,6 & 7.

Yeah but you're disappointed by something not happening that surely was never realistically a chance of happening, IMHO. I mean I would have loved for it to happen as well, but trading pick 1 for 4, 6 & 7 - really? Who would do that?

[dragit]

We bring in Tim Membrey who from all accounts is more of a Gunston type forward. He reads ok on paper, we effectively get him for nothing.

So this year we will gain: Membrey, pick 21. We lose: Stanley and pick 60

How I assess Pass or Fail is what we did with our available picks, and did we improve on what we started with.

Using our PSD on a fringe player I do not regard as a win. That should be a bare minimum when you have first pick.

If we had of landed a name player with our PSD I would rate that a win.

Last year was a huge win.

This year it would seem how one rates, depends on how one rates Stanley.

we can still use pick 41 on membray if the swans delist him....giving us a chance to recruit someone else in the psd...

Why would we do that?

Since the PSD is after the ND, there will be better players available at pick 41 than in the PSD.

Membrey has committed to us so we can use the national draft to try and find another kid.

If the swans delist him, we can just take him as a delisted free agent too.

[kalsaint]

IN: Petracca, Membrey, players picked at 21, 22, 41
OUT: Stanley

I don't really see how that leaves our list in worse shape going forward?

Exclude Petracca as he is only available due to poor 2014 performance. What was the trade action pass or fail, not the clubs position as if you are a low club expect presents higher placed clubs wont.

[stinger]

Fail sadly. really wanted those multiple first round picks as I truly believe it would have fast tracked our rebuild big time. Imagine having picks 4,6 & 7.

Yeah but you're disappointed by something not happening that surely was never realistically a chance of happening, IMHO. I mean I would have loved for it to happen as well, but trading pick 1 for 4, 6 & 7 - really? Who would do that?

and what extra two players would you delist......milera and possibly sneider are both gone ..so it would have to be two others......simpkin...?? sipposs...?

[stinger]

We bring in Tim Membrey who from all accounts is more of a Gunston type forward. He reads ok on paper, we effectively get him for nothing.

So this year we will gain: Membrey, pick 21. We lose: Stanley and pick 60

How I assess Pass or Fail is what we did with our available picks, and did we improve on what we started with.

Using our PSD on a fringe player I do not regard as a win. That should be a bare minimum when you have first pick.

If we had of landed a name player with our PSD I would rate that a win.

Last year was a huge win.

This year it would seem how one rates, depends on how one rates Stanley.

we can still use pick 41 on membray if the swans delist him....giving us a chance to recruit someone else in the psd...

Why would we do that?

Since the PSD is after the ND, there will be better players available at pick 41 than in the PSD.

Membrey has committed to us so we can use the national draft to try and find another kid.

If the swans delist him, we can just take him as a delisted free agent too.

eitrher way...but there is a maximum no of positions....what i meant was we can take him as a delisted free agent...and then someone else in the psd...we would not then use pick 41...

[kalsaint]

I thnk Saints player balance is worse than GWS balance meaning more time downunder.
Fail.

Of course it is, we haven't had 25 top 10 draft picks in the last 5 years.

We're not going to fix the list by trading in recycled spuds or giving away pick one for a couple of later picks.

I am not talking talent basis but more about age and position balance. Yes GWS will always be better of with top picks for now but we still are looking to exchange players from the 23-26 year bracket that we have serious issues with.

[Saints94]

Fail sadly. really wanted those multiple first round picks as I truly believe it would have fast tracked our rebuild big time. Imagine having picks 4,6 & 7.

Yeah but you're disappointed by something not happening that surely was never realistically a chance of happening, IMHO. I mean I would have loved for it to happen as well, but trading pick 1 for 4, 6 & 7 - really? Who would do that?

Sorry should have stated better, maybe giving back 21 & 22 would help a bit but obviously to late now

[Bunk_Moreland]

Our lack of trading this year will almost guarantee pick 1 again next year. Win.

Regardless of what we traded for (young players or picks, no top enders for another two years) we are a moral to be on the bottom again next season

Another #1

Another PSD #1

Rookie Draft #1 for the sliders

Maybe looking to trade our #1 again and maybe there is more interest and better deals next season.

We are in for another world of hurt next season dont have any doubt about that.

But...

The young kids we have are pretty good.

All growing up together - 19 good ens signed

Another preseason so a bit harder of body

Petracca, Membrey and two B+ players and a slider in the draft

The best sliders in the rookie draft.

More pain - but everyone MUST know where we are at.

we should expect improvement in 2016, and start the climb in 2017.

Maybe - just maybe top 8 in 2018.

Hang tough Sainters.

[Saints94]

Fail sadly. really wanted those multiple first round picks as I truly believe it would have fast tracked our rebuild big time. Imagine having picks 4,6 & 7.

Yeah but you're disappointed by something not happening that surely was never realistically a chance of happening, IMHO. I mean I would have loved for it to happen as well, but trading pick 1 for 4, 6 & 7 - really? Who would do that?

and what extra two players would you delist......milera and possibly sneider are both gone ..so it would have to be two others......simpkin...?? sipposs...?

In hindsight, yeah I honestly would delist Simpkin & Sippos if we were to gain 4,6 & 7 as they are deadwood/list cloggers IMO.

[saintspremiers]

Slight fail.
If we got picks 4 6 and 7 we could've deleted Schneider or Sippa or Lee.
I'm annoyed all those 3 are still on our list

[aaron82]

We bring in Tim Membrey who from all accounts is more of a Gunston type forward. He reads ok on paper, we effectively get him for nothing.

So this year we will gain: Membrey, pick 21. We lose: Stanley and pick 60

How I assess Pass or Fail is what we did with our available picks, and did we improve on what we started with.

Using our PSD on a fringe player I do not regard as a win. That should be a bare minimum when you have first pick.

If we had of landed a name player with our PSD I would rate that a win.

Last year was a huge win.

This year it would seem how one rates, depends on how one rates Stanley.

Not sure how we land a name player in the PSD when there isn't any to my knowledge.
The PSD is nearly obsolete these days. No Brett Voss' or Stephen Powell's any more

[desertsaint]

Not sure how any one is suggesting having pick one is a win - we went into the trade period with it.
So what have we done?
Stanley for 21. Doesn't seem a win, seems about fair.
Given we went into the trade period looking for multiple first round picks it seems a definite failure to meet our goals.
Picking up Membrey means we can claim a bare C-. Nowadays within our societies lowered standards a C- is considered a pass. So there you go.

[Schillaci]

Disappointing given we were in a position to get something. Happy we'll get Petracca but unhappy we did one trade and it was for a player I rate for a gamble who might pay off in 4 years or so

[Bunk_Moreland]

Not sure how any one is suggesting having pick one is a win - we went into the trade period with it.

But many wanted us to give it away for unders

So what have we done?
Stanley for 21. Doesn't seem a win, seems about fair.

Absolute win.

Given we went into the trade period looking for multiple first round picks it seems a definite failure to meet our goals.

#1
#21
#22

Considering two are out (Heeney and Moore) we have virtually what we had last season except we have # 1

Picking up Membrey means we can claim a bare C-. Nowadays within our societies lowered standards a C- is considered a pass. So there you go.

Rubbish. -

#1 kept
Stanley overs #21 - win
Membrey - nothing - win

Definate B.

only thing holding us back for an A is that we couldn't get the 4,6,7 done.

If we had 4,6,7, 21,22 Membrey from a position of no trade currency (unlike GWS) it would have been nearing A+

But a B is a fair result.

[Con Gorozidis]

I guess - with Pelchen clearly stating 'multiple first round picks' - he is claming success - but 21,22 are right on the cusp of that defintion. So i guess against our own criteria we had a bare pass.

But when push comes to shove - how we use our draft picks is all that matters in the future. Draft picks are just numbers. We need good players.

[Bunk_Moreland]

Disappointing given we were in a position to get something. Happy we'll get Petracca but unhappy we did one trade and it was for a player I rate for a gamble who might pay off in 4 years or so

Two trades - Membrey for nothing

Stanley for 21

Tried for JOR
Tried for Jaskch
Tried for Boyd

Wouldn't trade the No1 for unders.

How can anyone be disappointed with #1?

Also #1 PSD

Also #1 Rookie

Seems OK. Not fantastic but OK.

[Bunk_Moreland]

But when push comes to shove - how we use our draft picks is all that matters in the future. Draft picks are just numbers. We need good players.

Spot on

Acres and Dunstan @ 18 and 19 will prove to be great picks.

need to nail those 21 and 22 picks (#1 seems to be a no brainer)

[spert]

Well, see what happens in season 2015, and then we can look back and make a judgement

[borderbarry]

Disappointed in the result.
The club told us we would have 3 first round picks. Did not happen.
Fail. Not by much though.

[SinCitySainter]

It is a pass but just a pass.
Not exciting but no real failure.

[Dave McNamara]

The Member seems very worth the punt.

Rhys? Just don't know what to thing on this one? Would he have eventually found that fire in the belly with us? Will he ever find it with the Hillbillies? I just don't know...

But the main thing... we held our nerve, made the other sweat, and ultimately we didn't hand over the Petracca pick for any piddling not worth it deal.


So, on that last point alone... big pass Saintas!

[evertonfc]

Fail.

Because we had a huge chance to bolster our list with some bargains - O'Rourke, Jacksch, Lowden, Giles - and didn't make any of them happen.

We then never had a sniff of the big-ticket deals.

Stanley for 21 was a fair trade, but at a time when our list needs to be upgraded significantly with elite youth at every turn for the next three years - free agency, trade week, draft day, rookie draft - we failed to make it happen.