St Kilda Players Contracts 2015 and beyond

[saintbrat]

as known or by assumption
October 2014

2018
Acres 2018

2017
Webster 2017
Dunstan 2017
Newnes 2017
Billings 2017

2016
David Armitage - 2016 (extended March 2013)
Leigh Montagna - 2016
Jarryn Geary - 2016
Templeton 2016
Saunders 2016
Wright 2016
Ross 2016
Curren 2016
Murdoch 2016
Bruce 2016
Longer 2016
Lee 2016
Delaney- 2016

2015
Nick Riewoldt - 2015
Sam Fisher - 2015
Sean Dempster - 2015
Rhys Stanley 2015
Sam Gilbert 2015
Arryn Siposs 2015
Jack Steven ( extended.feb 2013)
Dylan Roberton assumption
Farren Ray assumption
Hickey- 2015
Savage 2015
Tom Simpkin 2015
Pierce 2015
White 2015
Minchington 2015
Markworth 2015
Shenton 2015


# Adam Schneider- 2014 ?
# Maverick Weller rookie 2014
# Baker Thomas- scholarship
# Note- Jason Holmes is on a 2 yr contract , "the former college basketballer trained with Paul Roos at the Sydney Swans academy under Paul Roos before being rewarded with a two-year rookie contract from the Saints"

[Dave McNamara]

Jack Steven!

If we are looking at using the PSD in 2015 (say on the likes of a Cameron), then Jack must not be allowed to come out of contract!

His contract must be extended now..., or he is put up for trade this draft/trading period!

We must not risk losing a gun like Jack for nothing!!! (That would only appease one fellow Saintsationalist. )


On the other hand, if we are planning on staying out of the 2015 PSD, then no need to extend Jack's contract. Should we lose him to the Dark Side (aka, any club that isn't our's ), then given our predicted lowly finish/high first draft pick, should Jack leave us, we'd (hopefully) be in line for a compensatory pick behind said our first pick.

Personally, I want Jack, not the extra top 10 (maybe top 5) draft pick. But, IMHO what happens re Jack's contract extension (or lack thereof) is going to be very telling re our plans for the 2015 drafts and trading period.

[plugger66]

Jack Steven!

If we are looking at using the PSD in 2015 (say on the likes of a Cameron), then Jack must not be allowed to come out of contract!

His contract must be extended now..., or he is put up for trade this draft/trading period!

We must not risk losing a gun like Jack for nothing!!! (That would only appease one fellow Saintsationalist. )


On the other hand, if we are planning on staying out of the 2015 PSD, then no need to extend Jack's contract. Should we lose him to the Dark Side (aka, any club that isn't our's ), then given our predicted lowly finish/high first draft pick, should Jack leave us, we'd (hopefully) be in line for a compensatory pick behind said our first pick.

Personally, I want Jack, not the extra top 10 (maybe top 5) draft pick. But, IMHO what happens re Jack's contract extension (or lack thereof) is going to be very telling re our plans for the 2015 drafts and trading period.

I want him to stay but I could understand both Jack and the club waiting until half way through next year to see if he plays like last season or this season. If he plays like last season there are 2 options, one we re sign him for a few years thus ensuring he finishes his career with us or two we let him go via FA for big money and a long contract and due to a likely last finish get compensation of pick two which is probably better value than his true worth. If he struggles like this season then there is probably only one option and that's to keep him because via FA it wont be worth losing. Still rather keep him but if we really have a bad year as I expect it may quicken up the rebuild by losing him.

[borderbarry]

Mav Weller has no contract at all? Something strange.
Is he to be left on the rookie list?

[saintbrat]

Age List ( pre trade/ draft 2014) 5 yr breaks

32 Nick Riewoldt - 2015
32 Sam Fisher - 2015
31 Leigh Montagna - 2016
30 Sean Dempster - 2015
30 # Adam Schneider- 2014 ?

28 Sam Gilbert 2015
28 Farren Ray 2015
26 David Armitage - 2016 (extended March 2013)
26 Jarryn Geary - 2016
25 Delaney- assume 2 year so 2015
25 # Note- Jason Holmes is on a 2 yr contract

24 Jack Steven ( extended.feb 2013)
24 Rhys Stanley 2015
24 Shenton 2015
24 # Tom Simpkin -?
23 Lee 2016
23 Dylan Roberton assumption
23 Savage - assume 2 years – 2015
23# Hickey- second year so 2014 /15
22 Bruce 2016
22 Curren 2016
22 Arryn Siposs 2015
22 Markworth 2015
22 # Maverick Weller rookie 2014
21 Newnes 2017 21 Ross 2016
21 Longer 2016
21 Webster 2017
21 Minchington 2015

20 Saunders 2016
20 Wright 2016
20 Murdoch 2016
20 Pierce 2015
20 White 2015
19 Billings 2017
19Templeton 2016
19 Acres 2018
19 Dunstan 2017
19 # Baker Thomas- scholarship,

[saintbrat]

and finally
Games Played as at Oct 2014

281 Nick Riewoldt - 2015
232 Leigh Montagna - 2016
213 # Adam Schneider- 2014 ?

198 Sam Fisher - 2015
197 Farren Ray 2015
182 Sean Dempster - 2015
146 Sam Gilbert 2015
107 David Armitage - 2016 (extended March 2013)
100 Jarryn Geary - 2016

90 Jack Steven ( extended.feb 2013)
70 Savage - assume 2 years – 2015
64 Dylan Roberton assumption

58 Rhys Stanley 2015
48 Delaney- assume 2 year so 2015
48 # Maverick Weller rookie 2014
47 Newnes 2017
31 # Tom Simpkin -?
30 # Hickey- second year so 2014 /15

28 Arryn Siposs 2015
27 Ross 2016
25 Longer 2016
24 Bruce 2016
23 Curren 2016
22 Webster 2017
20 Saunders 2016

19 Dunstan 2017
17 Murdoch 2016
16 Billings 2017
15 Wright 2016
14 Shenton 2015
13 Lee 2016

6 Templeton 2016
5 Minchington 2015
3 Acres 2018
2 White 2015

0 Pierce 2015
0 Markworth 2015
0 # Note- Jason Holmes is on a 2 yr contract
0 # Baker Thomas- scholarship,



atleast we will have very few celebrating Milestones together....

[Red_White_Black]

as known or by assumption
October 2014

2018
Acres 2018

2017
Webster 2017
Dunstan 2017
Newnes 2017
Billings 2017

2016
David Armitage - 2016 (extended March 2013)
Leigh Montagna - 2016
Jarryn Geary - 2016
Templeton 2016
Saunders 2016
Wright 2016
Ross 2016
Curren 2016
Murdoch 2016
Bruce 2016
Longer 2016
Lee 2016

2015
Nick Riewoldt - 2015
Sam Fisher - 2015
Sean Dempster - 2015
Rhys Stanley 2015
Sam Gilbert 2015
Arryn Siposs 2015
Jack Steven ( extended.feb 2013)
Dylan Roberton assumption
Farren Ray assumption
Pierce 2015
White 2015
Minchington 2015
Markworth 2015
Shenton 2015
Delaney- assume 2 year so 2015
Savage - assume 2 years - 2015

# Hickey- second year so 2014 /15
# Tom Simpkin -?
# Adam Schneider- 2014 ?
# Maverick Weller rookie 2014
# Baker Thomas- scholarship
# Note- Jason Holmes is on a 2 yr contract , "the former college basketballer trained with Paul Roos at the Sydney Swans academy under Paul Roos before being rewarded with a two-year rookie contract from the Saints"

Tom Simipkin - 2015
Tom Hickey - 2015

Delaney got a 3 year deal so 2016.

[Dave McNamara]

Jack Steven!

If we are looking at using the PSD in 2015 (say on the likes of a Cameron), then Jack must not be allowed to come out of contract!

His contract must be extended now..., or he is put up for trade this draft/trading period!

We must not risk losing a gun like Jack for nothing!!! (That would only appease one fellow Saintsationalist. )


On the other hand, if we are planning on staying out of the 2015 PSD, then no need to extend Jack's contract. Should we lose him to the Dark Side (aka, any club that isn't our's ), then given our predicted lowly finish/high first draft pick, should Jack leave us, we'd (hopefully) be in line for a compensatory pick behind said our first pick.

Personally, I want Jack, not the extra top 10 (maybe top 5) draft pick. But, IMHO what happens re Jack's contract extension (or lack thereof) is going to be very telling re our plans for the 2015 drafts and trading period.

I want him to stay but I could understand both Jack and the club waiting until half way through next year to see if he plays like last season or this season. If he plays like last season there are 2 options, one we re sign him for a few years thus ensuring he finishes his career with us or two we let him go via FA for big money and a long contract and due to a likely last finish get compensation of pick two which is probably better value than his true worth. If he struggles like this season then there is probably only one option and that's to keep him because via FA it wont be worth losing. Still rather keep him but if we really have a bad year as I expect it may quicken up the rebuild by losing him.

Agree Pluggs, but remember the caveat.

If we are planning on taking a top line player in the 2015 draft like a Cameron (humour me on that for the sake of the argument )...
then losing Steven to FA, but gaining a Cameron in the PSD...
wouldn't that downgrade the compensation pick we'd receive for Steven?
Or would that only be the case if we took an elite player via FA, ie; PSD uncontracted players picked-up don't affect a club's FA compensation pick's value...?

[plugger66]

Jack Steven!

If we are looking at using the PSD in 2015 (say on the likes of a Cameron), then Jack must not be allowed to come out of contract!

His contract must be extended now..., or he is put up for trade this draft/trading period!

We must not risk losing a gun like Jack for nothing!!! (That would only appease one fellow Saintsationalist. )


On the other hand, if we are planning on staying out of the 2015 PSD, then no need to extend Jack's contract. Should we lose him to the Dark Side (aka, any club that isn't our's ), then given our predicted lowly finish/high first draft pick, should Jack leave us, we'd (hopefully) be in line for a compensatory pick behind said our first pick.

Personally, I want Jack, not the extra top 10 (maybe top 5) draft pick. But, IMHO what happens re Jack's contract extension (or lack thereof) is going to be very telling re our plans for the 2015 drafts and trading period.

I want him to stay but I could understand both Jack and the club waiting until half way through next year to see if he plays like last season or this season. If he plays like last season there are 2 options, one we re sign him for a few years thus ensuring he finishes his career with us or two we let him go via FA for big money and a long contract and due to a likely last finish get compensation of pick two which is probably better value than his true worth. If he struggles like this season then there is probably only one option and that's to keep him because via FA it wont be worth losing. Still rather keep him but if we really have a bad year as I expect it may quicken up the rebuild by losing him.

Agree Pluggs, but remember the caveat.

If we are planning on taking a top line player in the 2015 draft like a Cameron (humour me on that for the sake of the argument )...
then losing Steven to FA, but gaining a Cameron in the PSD...
wouldn't that downgrade the compensation pick we'd receive for Steven?
Or would that only be the case if we took an elite player via FA, ie; PSD uncontracted players picked-up don't affect a club's FA compensation pick's value...?

No they wouldn't because unless they are mind readers the PSD is after trading. No elite players get taken in the PSD anyway. It said in the paper the other day that the AFL basically tell you the pick you will get if you lose a player. If we got an elite player through FA and lost an elite player we would get nothing. Still to early for FA next year anyway IMO. We will finish last so we have no appeal. Must be on the rise to get players interested in coming to your club so hopefully by the end of 2016 we have maybe won 4-6 games and rising.

[ace]

If you lose a top player to free agency and big bucks when holding the wooden spoon you effectively get given pick No2 immediately after your pick first round pick No1.
If you lose the same player while on top of the ladder you only get pick No 19.
That is why there is alarm that James Frawley may be deemed a mid first round compensation delivering Melbourne pick No 3.
Thus providing excess compensation.

The one thing you don't want to do is bring in a free agent who could nullify that compensation pick.
Free agency needs to be in one direction each year.

[Dave McNamara]

If you lose a top player to free agency and big bucks when holding the wooden spoon you effectively get given pick No2 immediately after your pick first round pick No1.
If you lose the same player while on top of the ladder you only get pick No 19.
That is why there is alarm that James Frawley may be deemed a mid first round compensation delivering Melbourne pick No 3.
Thus providing excess compensation.

The one thing you don't want to do is bring in a free agent who could nullify that compensation pick.
Free agency needs to be in one direction each year.

Thanks for clearing that up for me Pluggs and Ace.

Ok, no need to lock Jack. (Sigh of relief.) If we are to loose the likes of him through FA, then compensation-wise, bottom of the ladder finishes are the time to do so.

Of course, once compensation (or 'decent' compensation) for lost FA players is (inevitably?) removed...
then IMHO my original proposition will become the norm...
as per what happens in comps' like the EPL, I can't see any club then allowing a required top-line player to ever come out of contract.

Taking Jack as an example, with only one year of contract left (2015), it'll be extend now, or you're on the table in this year's trading period (2014).

[plugger66]

If you lose a top player to free agency and big bucks when holding the wooden spoon you effectively get given pick No2 immediately after your pick first round pick No1.
If you lose the same player while on top of the ladder you only get pick No 19.
That is why there is alarm that James Frawley may be deemed a mid first round compensation delivering Melbourne pick No 3.
Thus providing excess compensation.

The one thing you don't want to do is bring in a free agent who could nullify that compensation pick.
Free agency needs to be in one direction each year.

Thanks for clearing that up for me Pluggs and Ace.

Ok, no need to lock Jack. (Sigh of relief.) If we are to loose the likes of him through FA, then compensation-wise, bottom of the ladder finishes are the time to do so.

Of course, once compensation (or 'decent' compensation) for lost FA players is (inevitably?) removed...
then IMHO my original proposition will become the norm...
as per what happens in comps' like the EPL, I can't see any club then allowing a required top-line player to ever come out of contract.

Taking Jack as an example, with only one year of contract left (2015), it'll be extend now, or you're on the table in this year's trading period (2014).

Dave I suggest you don't speak for me because I knew exactly what happens. You may not have so please speak for yourself.

[Dave McNamara]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Pluggs and Ace.

Dave I suggest you don't speak for me because I knew exactly what happens. You may not have so please speak for yourself.

Uhmmmm, I was not speaking for you Pluggs, I was thanking you (and Ace).

So thank you (both) again, because I did not know what happens, but now I do.

[plugger66]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Pluggs and Ace.

Dave I suggest you don't speak for me because I knew exactly what happens. You may not have so please speak for yourself.

Uhmmmm, I was not speaking for you Pluggs, I was thanking you (and Ace).

So thank you (both) again, because I did not know what happens, but now I do.

Yes I read it wrong. Sorry Dave. I apologise.

[Dave McNamara]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Pluggs and Ace.

Dave I suggest you don't speak for me because I knew exactly what happens. You may not have so please speak for yourself.

Uhmmmm, I was not speaking for you Pluggs, I was thanking you (and Ace).

So thank you (both) again, because I did not know what happens, but now I do.

Yes I read it wrong. Sorry Dave. I apologise.

No worries.

There's a discussion awaiting on the other thread re how we can (or can't) get those extra four or five top line midfielders by 2018. (Not here, but over in that thread, could you start with why you think Dunstan may or may not make it into that category? )

[Hawkesbury Saint]

Dave you are a very gracious man.

A lot cleareer for me too Pluggs, but your calm under pressure stands out Dave!

I wouldn't mind you having a shot after the siren.

[Dave McNamara]

Dave you are a very gracious man.

A lot cleareer for me too Pluggs, but your calm under pressure stands out Dave!

I wouldn't mind you having a shot after the siren.

Thanks Hawkes. Way too kind.

And yes, I'd happily take the shot... providing I could have access to that SS 'Preview' button that I often make much use of before actually posting.

[magnifisaint]

Contracts don't mean anything anymore.

[saintbrat]

As known or by assumption
October 2014

2018
Acres 2018

2017
Webster 2017
Dunstan 2017
Newnes 2017
Billings 2017

2016
David Armitage - 2016 (extended March 2013)
Leigh Montagna - 2016
Jarryn Geary - 2016
Templeton 2016
Saunders 2016
Wright 2016
Ross 2016
Curren 2016
Murdoch 2016
Bruce 2016
Longer 2016
Lee 2016
Delaney- 2016
Weller - 2016

2015
Nick Riewoldt - 2015
Sam Fisher - 2015
Sean Dempster - 2015
(Rhys Stanley 2015) - to Geelong ;(
Sam Gilbert 2015
Arryn Siposs 2015
Jack Steven ( extended.feb 2013)
Dylan Roberton assumption
Farren Ray assumption
Hickey- 2015
Savage 2015
Tom Simpkin 2015
Pierce 2015
White 2015
Minchington 2015
Markworth 2015
Shenton 2015


# Adam Schneider- 2014 ?

# Baker Thomas- scholarship
# Note- Jason Holmes is on a 2 yr contract , "the former college basketballer trained with Paul Roos at the Sydney Swans academy under Paul Roos before being rewarded with a two-year rookie contract from the Saints"[/quote]

[saintbrat]

As known or by assumption
October 2014

2018
Acres 2018

2017
Webster 2017
Dunstan 2017
Newnes 2017
Billings 2017

2016
David Armitage - 2016 (extended March 2013)
Leigh Montagna - 2016
Jarryn Geary - 2016
Templeton 2016
Saunders 2016
Wright 2016
Ross 2016
Curren 2016
Murdoch 2016
Bruce 2016
Longer 2016
Lee 2016
Delaney- 2016
Weller - 2016

2015
Nick Riewoldt - 2015
Sam Fisher - 2015
Sean Dempster - 2015
(Rhys Stanley 2015) - to Geelong ;(
Sam Gilbert 2015
Arryn Siposs 2015
Jack Steven ( extended.feb 2013)
Dylan Roberton assumption
Farren Ray assumption
Hickey- 2015
Savage 2015
Tom Simpkin 2015
Pierce 2015
White 2015
Minchington 2015
Markworth 2015
Shenton 2015


# Adam Schneider- 2014 ?

# Baker Thomas- scholarship
# Note- Jason Holmes is on a 2 yr contract , "the former college basketballer trained with Paul Roos at the Sydney Swans academy under Paul Roos before being rewarded with a two-year rookie contract from the Saints"[/quote]

[saintbrat]

As known or by assumption
October 2014

2018
Acres 2018

2017
Webster 2017
Dunstan 2017
Newnes 2017
Billings 2017

2016
David Armitage - 2016 (extended March 2013)
Leigh Montagna - 2016
Jarryn Geary - 2016
Templeton 2016
Saunders 2016
Wright 2016
Ross 2016
Curren 2016
Murdoch 2016
Bruce 2016
Longer 2016
Lee 2016
Delaney- 2016
Weller - 2016

2015
Nick Riewoldt - 2015
Sam Fisher - 2015
Sean Dempster - 2015
(Rhys Stanley 2015) - to Geelong ;(
Sam Gilbert 2015
Arryn Siposs 2015
Jack Steven ( extended.feb 2013)
Dylan Roberton assumption
Farren Ray assumption
Hickey- 2015
Savage 2015
Tom Simpkin 2015
Pierce 2015
White 2015
Minchington 2015
Markworth 2015
Shenton 2015
Schneider- 2015 Rookie

# Baker Thomas- scholarship
# Note- Jason Holmes is on a 2 yr contract , "the former college basketballer trained with Paul Roos at the Sydney Swans academy under Paul Roos before being rewarded with a two-year rookie contract from the Saints"[/quote]
#Giovanni Mountain Sibery -Scholarship


I think I heard Matt Finnis mention the posibility of another NZ player too

[saintbrat]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-14/r ... l-imminent

[Con Gorozidis]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-14/r ... l-imminent

Sounds like it has already happened. Announcement this week youd think.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 7132298956

Richardson said the re-signing of skipper Riewoldt until the end of 2016 was a win for the club’s medical team.

“We’ve been able to have people around him medically who have a real understanding of his body. Obviously his performances suggest they’ve got it right, he’s got it right and we’re really confident that he’s going to see out the term, absolutely,” he said.

[saintbrat]

agree- and advertising around it

[saintbrat]

Mark Robinson retweeted
Sam Edmund ‏@SammyHeraldSun
Nick Riewoldt tells @superfooty he's signed contract extension at @stkildafc & will lead revival until at least 2016 http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/nic ... 23?login=1 …