Come Home Luke Ball - all is forgiven ?

[Darth Vader]

Why Luke Ball is still critised on here amazes me, we all know it was RL who ended his career with us as well as costing us a flag by refusing to put Luke back on the ground in the '09 grand final when he'd been one of our if not the best in the first half.

Any player worth his salt would've wanted out after that!!!

Saying that , do we want him back the answer is a resounding NO!

"we all now it was RL who .... cost us a flag by refusing to put Luke back on the ground in the '09 grand final".

One of the biggest myths in football. RL didn't put Ball back on because he was cooked - why would he refuse to put him back on and "cost us a flag" if he was playing well and good to go? RL only said it was his stuff-up to not play Ball more to avoid telling the truth, which is that he took an underdone player into a Grand Final. Ball's groin was stuffed. Everyone knew this, including Ross and Ball. Ross took a risk with him because it was wet. If it was dry he wouldn't have played him because his inability to run would've been exposed. Ross just didn't want to admit this publicly so took the hit for not playing him more.

[Con Gorozidis]

Is this thread real?

Lets get Goose back as well. We need more experience down back to help out the kids development.

While were at it the big Kos would be a great mentor for White so we should give him a 1 year deal as well.

[Bunk_Moreland]

I would love to see him back. He is a great leader and very good person, can't have enough of those at your club. He was very humble in victory as well after the granny

He is neither. He s*** on his mates and his club for $$$$$ and made sure the Saints got nothing back for him.

Dog act. Never like seeing players do knees but when he did his, I wasn't sympathetic as I usually am. was not happy about it bt not sad either.

Saying that the bloke is shot, as slow as a wet week and cooked.

Mightas well keep cj than get that turncoat back.

[Bunk_Moreland]

Is this thread real?

Lets get Goose back as well. We need more experience down back to help out the kids development.

While were at it the big Kos would be a great mentor for White so we should give him a 1 year deal as well.

A joke isn't it?

[whiskers3614]

Why Luke Ball is still critised on here amazes me, we all know it was RL who ended his career with us as well as costing us a flag by refusing to put Luke back on the ground in the '09 grand final when he'd been one of our if not the best in the first half.

Any player worth his salt would've wanted out after that!!!

Saying that , do we want him back the answer is a resounding NO!

"we all now it was RL who .... cost us a flag by refusing to put Luke back on the ground in the '09 grand final".

One of the biggest myths in football. RL didn't put Ball back on because he was cooked - why would he refuse to put him back on and "cost us a flag" if he was playing well and good to go? RL only said it was his stuff-up to not play Ball more to avoid telling the truth, which is that he took an underdone player into a Grand Final. Ball's groin was stuffed. Everyone knew this, including Ross and Ball. Ross took a risk with him because it was wet. If it was dry he wouldn't have played him because his inability to run would've been exposed. Ross just didn't want to admit this publicly so took the hit for not playing him more.

Because master-coach Lyon is a Grand Final choker, Ball's first half stats hardly indicative of a bloke that was "cooked"
On the other hand the Lyon lovers can just read "the bubble" and glory in the genius of the most unsuccessful GF coach in the HISTORY of AFL/VFL!

[Bunk_Moreland]

Why Luke Ball is still critised on here amazes me, we all know it was RL who ended his career with us as well as costing us a flag by refusing to put Luke back on the ground in the '09 grand final when he'd been one of our if not the best in the first half.

Any player worth his salt would've wanted out after that!!!

Saying that , do we want him back the answer is a resounding NO!

"we all now it was RL who .... cost us a flag by refusing to put Luke back on the ground in the '09 grand final".

One of the biggest myths in football. RL didn't put Ball back on because he was cooked - why would he refuse to put him back on and "cost us a flag" if he was playing well and good to go? RL only said it was his stuff-up to not play Ball more to avoid telling the truth, which is that he took an underdone player into a Grand Final. Ball's groin was stuffed. Everyone knew this, including Ross and Ball. Ross took a risk with him because it was wet. If it was dry he wouldn't have played him because his inability to run would've been exposed. Ross just didn't want to admit this publicly so took the hit for not playing him more.

Because master-coach Lyon is a Grand Final choker, Ball's first half stats hardly indicative of a bloke that was "cooked"
On the other hand the Lyon lovers can just read "the bubble" and glory in the genius of the most unsuccessful GF coach in the HISTORY of AFL/VFL!

Well you cant argue with the fact that Lyon cant seem to win a flag. The 7.7 to 7.1 he personally kicked in the first half of the 2009 GF and the bounce in the 2010 GF sure makes him a choker.

Cant argue with whiskers incredible logic. ALways makes total sense and back it up with coherent arguments like "Lyon is a GF choker"

Marvellous

Ball was so cooked that Lyon preferred to put bj back on who had a broken collar bone and broken nose. A crippled and broken bj was better than turncoat slow cooked Ball

[whiskers3614]

I can sometimes almost understand the love for Hird by Essendon supporters based on his playing achievements.
The blind adulation of Lyon by some on here is a different animal altogether, smacks of delusion.

[Bunk_Moreland]

I can sometimes almost understand the love for Hird by Essendon supporters based on his playing achievements.
The blind adulation of Lyon by some on here is a different animal altogether, smacks of delusion.

More marvellous analysis.

Really mate you are making a fool of yourself. Nobody loves Lyon, the bloke is Freo's coach in case you hadn't realised.

He also is partially responsible for the shape of our list at the moment and walked out on a contract for more money.

Glad he is gone.

But to cotinue this idiocy about him costing us flags is so moronic and infantile, it deserves derision. Who kick the 7.7 to 7.1 in the 2009 GF first half? Who changed the team around in the 2010 Gf to bring us back from 4 goals down to be robbed by a dodgy bounce?

So if it was all the players in 2010 getting us back in, it was players poor kicking in front of goal that cost us in 2009.

You cant have it both ways, but there will be always people like you how need it simplified and to have a scapegoat. Complexity is an enemy to the likes of you.

So is common sense

And why do you love a turncoat like Ball who plays for the filth and took the Saints IP over to them to win the flag off us?

Why do you love a filth player who left his mates to take more money? Are you a Collingwood supporter ? If not why support an opposition player.

[The Redeemer]

I can sometimes almost understand the love for Hird by Essendon supporters based on his playing achievements.
The blind adulation of Lyon by some on here is a different animal altogether, smacks of delusion.

More marvellous analysis.

Really mate you are making a fool of yourself. Nobody loves Lyon, the bloke is Freo's coach in case you hadn't realised.

He also is partially responsible for the shape of our list at the moment and walked out on a contract for more money.

Glad he is gone.

But to cotinue this idiocy about him costing us flags is so moronic and infantile, it deserves derision. Who kick the 7.7 to 7.1 in the 2009 GF first half? Who changed the team around in the 2010 Gf to bring us back from 4 goals down to be robbed by a dodgy bounce?

So if it was all the players in 2010 getting us back in, it was players poor kicking in front of goal that cost us in 2009.

You cant have it both ways, but there will be always people like you how need it simplified and to have a scapegoat. Complexity is an enemy to the likes of you.

So is common sense

And why do you love a turncoat like Ball who plays for the filth and took the Saints IP over to them to win the flag off us?

Why do you love a filth player who left his mates to take more money? Are you a Collingwood supporter ? If not why support an opposition player.

They were crap kickers but at the dawn of a new year the kicking boots come on.

Logic is logical.

[bergholt]

Because master-coach Lyon is a Grand Final choker, Ball's first half stats hardly indicative of a bloke that was "cooked"

Not sure if you remember but it pissed down in the first half and the sun was out by the time the second half started. The argument was that he didn't have the fitness for the dry so it would make sense if he was better in the first half.

[Con Gorozidis]

For starters. If Luke Ball decides to 'come home' and play more footy after the Pies it will be with old xavs not the saints.

I know we would all like to get in a time machine and go back to 2008 so we can get a different outcome but its not going to happen so we need to stop these preposterous threads and the ridiculous excuse about 'helping the young guys develop.'

First Ryan OKeefe and now Luke Ball. It is just getting so fanciful and beyond ridiculous.

Mods can you move this nonsense to the AE.

[Bunk_Moreland]

Maybe we could get Luke Power and Simon Black out of retirement?

[Bunk_Moreland]

Maybe we could get Luke Power and Simon Black out of retirement?

[Bowey Boy]

Cloke going back to Richmond was not a bad move...and he knifed Richmond in much the same way Ball knifed us. If Ball came back it would be very cleansing.

[Darth Vader]

Why Luke Ball is still critised on here amazes me, we all know it was RL who ended his career with us as well as costing us a flag by refusing to put Luke back on the ground in the '09 grand final when he'd been one of our if not the best in the first half.

Any player worth his salt would've wanted out after that!!!

Saying that , do we want him back the answer is a resounding NO!

"we all now it was RL who .... cost us a flag by refusing to put Luke back on the ground in the '09 grand final".

One of the biggest myths in football. RL didn't put Ball back on because he was cooked - why would he refuse to put him back on and "cost us a flag" if he was playing well and good to go? RL only said it was his stuff-up to not play Ball more to avoid telling the truth, which is that he took an underdone player into a Grand Final. Ball's groin was stuffed. Everyone knew this, including Ross and Ball. Ross took a risk with him because it was wet. If it was dry he wouldn't have played him because his inability to run would've been exposed. Ross just didn't want to admit this publicly so took the hit for not playing him more.

Because master-coach Lyon is a Grand Final choker, Ball's first half stats hardly indicative of a bloke that was "cooked"
On the other hand the Lyon lovers can just read "the bubble" and glory in the genius of the most unsuccessful GF coach in the HISTORY of AFL/VFL!

.

Not sure how this is Lyon loving. I make it clear he picked a bloke in a GF who was underdone - not exactly a super coach move. And don't kid yourself about Ball's first half. He got a lot of ball because he got no attention from Geelong and that was because he did/does no damage. They put time into Dal, BJ and Lenny (after the first quarter) because they hurt teams. Ball didn't and still doesn't. And he walked out on his mates.

[whiskers3614]

Because master-coach Lyon is a Grand Final choker, Ball's first half stats hardly indicative of a bloke that was "cooked"

Not sure if you remember but it pissed down in the first half and the sun was out by the time the second half started. The argument was that he didn't have the fitness for the dry so it would make sense if he was better in the first half.

22 disposals and 7 tackles in 46% game time!
Even a third of that output during his time on the bench would have been better than many of the blokes that played much more.

[Bunk_Moreland]

Why Luke Ball is still critised on here amazes me, we all know it was RL who ended his career with us as well as costing us a flag by refusing to put Luke back on the ground in the '09 grand final when he'd been one of our if not the best in the first half.

Any player worth his salt would've wanted out after that!!!

Saying that , do we want him back the answer is a resounding NO!

"we all now it was RL who .... cost us a flag by refusing to put Luke back on the ground in the '09 grand final".

One of the biggest myths in football. RL didn't put Ball back on because he was cooked - why would he refuse to put him back on and "cost us a flag" if he was playing well and good to go? RL only said it was his stuff-up to not play Ball more to avoid telling the truth, which is that he took an underdone player into a Grand Final. Ball's groin was stuffed. Everyone knew this, including Ross and Ball. Ross took a risk with him because it was wet. If it was dry he wouldn't have played him because his inability to run would've been exposed. Ross just didn't want to admit this publicly so took the hit for not playing him more.

Because master-coach Lyon is a Grand Final choker, Ball's first half stats hardly indicative of a bloke that was "cooked"
On the other hand the Lyon lovers can just read "the bubble" and glory in the genius of the most unsuccessful GF coach in the HISTORY of AFL/VFL!

.

Not sure how this is Lyon loving. I make it clear he picked a bloke in a GF who was underdone - not exactly a super coach move. And don't kid yourself about Ball's first half. He got a lot of ball because he got no attention from Geelong and that was because he did/does no damage. They put time into Dal, BJ and Lenny (after the first quarter) because they hurt teams. Ball didn't and still doesn't. And he walked out on his mates.

Apparently logic makes you a Lyon lover.

Says something that Lyon would rather send bj back on with a broken collarbone and broken nose than to beplaying with 17 men by having Ball on the field.

and as you point out. Pretty big risk to play Ball when he had a groin. In hindsight Armo may have been a better choice for the gf (if he was avalable)

[Con Gorozidis]

Cloke going back to Richmond was not a bad move...and he knifed Richmond in much the same way Ball knifed us. If Ball came back it would be very cleansing.

Cleansing?Amazing.

Ball is cooked and has long been forgotten. Just get over him and move on.

I would take Goddard back though.

[whiskers3614]

Just proves Lyon is/was a clown, when he didn't want a bloke on the ground who a multiple FLAG-WINNING coach was prepared to offer $500k per season to.
As for losing Ball for nix and giving a first rounder for that woman basher............

[Con Gorozidis]

Look if Lyon thought ball was a pain in the ass then that's a coach's prerogative.
What I cant forgive Lyon for is not getting something in return.

[70s sainter]

I would love to see him back. He is a great leader and very good person, can't have enough of those at your club. He was very humble in victory as well after the granny

That's because he felt guilty that he screwed his so-called mates over . He left them a player down and went to their direct opposition at the time.

[Con Gorozidis]

I would love to see him back. He is a great leader and very good person, can't have enough of those at your club. He was very hyoule in victory as well after the granny

That's because he felt guilty that he screwed his so-called mates over . He left them a player down and went to their direct opposition at the time.

Look there was probably fault on both sides of the Lyon Ball feud but who cares now.

The quote by 70s sainter needs to be called for what it is and unpacked a little.
It is entirely ridiculous.

Lets think it through sainter. Im not sure how u know hes a 'great leader and great person' buts lets take ur word for it on that one and accept that. Then you say 'you cant have enough of those at your club'. Well let's look at that little doozie shall we.
Firstly this thead is referring to him as a player - not just a bloke at the club. So in fact there is a limit to how many you can have. The AFL says you cant have more than 38.
Then let's look at the 'great leader great person' criteria - where we will pretend he is both.
According to the logic of your statement we should also offer player contracts to the following people off the top of my head.

Mark Ricciuto
Cameron Ling
Simon Black
Michael Voss
Jonathan Brown
Brett Kirk
Chris Judd
Tom Harley
Nick Maxwell

now I could go on and on with this list but I think you get the picture.

As I said mods can we shut this garbage down.

The club is trying to move on to a new era but we have a bunch of nuff nuffs who want to see the place used as a retirement village and super fund top up for the class of 08.

If Luke Ball came back to the Saints next year - not only would we be the laughing stock of the AFL I think the AFL would send in Administrators because they would conclude the people in charge have no mental capacity to run the club at a professional modern level.

[evertonfc]

For a worthless pick? Absolutely. A true professional to continue the teachings of Lenny Hayes to the younger players.

Reminds me of Brett Montgomery, who played out a fine two final years with the Bulldogs after his Port Adelaide stint.

[falka]

This is close to the dumbest thread ever.

The only reason to get him would be to guarantee we finish last for more draft picks.

So we need a slow inside mid over 30? One who turned on the club? Yeah great idea.

Anyone who thinks Ross Lyon can't coach or he cost us flags is absolutely delusional.

[saintspremiers]

Luke ball is a traitor.

Yes
He is not welcome at our club.
And he NEVER will be.

Ball is a hero for gallantly helping the Pies to beat GWS.

Heroic stuff. A great win.

Source: Fox Footy numbnuts.