Shenton vs Roberton vs Gilbert

[spert]

From what I have seen, Shenton should be a keeper. A smart player, who attacks the contest hard and just needs to settle into a position, and the coach needs to play him out for the rest of the season. Don't know where Roberton stands- played well under Watters, but doesn't seem to have quite captured his old form after injury- I get he impression that AR and co are trying to make players into something they are not, and probably micro-managing the playing list a bit too heavily. We need to hope that Gilbert's body holds up, and the coach needs to make sure he is managed in that area.

[Con Gorozidis]

. Sobraz how do you know for a fact 2 clubs have made contact with him. You must be a bloody close mate for him to tell you that.

I dont profess to be close to the club, have inside word or be good mates with anyone, never have.

In this case it is someone I know very very close to Shenton that has good reason and interest to know his contract situation.

Does not mean either club have committed or necessarily offered anything, purely made contact. That alone is enough to tell me his career isn't over at the end of this season.

So only you can know anyone plugger? Noone else is allowed to know any inside info?

And find me an adult and Ill have an adult discussion with them.

Find me a nitwit with an iq equal to room temperature and Ill adjust for my audience - like i do with you.

Now I know it is difficult to emotionally adjust that we arent at the top anymore and you no longer have connections at the club. It must feel like a big hole in your heart. So I do sympathise as you work through this transition period and come to terms with the loss and the current day reality. Sometimes it feels better to live in the past or the hope the past will be repeated or somehow revived. 5 stages they say. Acceptance being the last. Counselling can be very helpful.

[plugger66]

From what I have seen, Shenton should be a keeper. A smart player, who attacks the contest hard and just needs to settle into a position, and the coach needs to play him out for the rest of the season. Don't know where Roberton stands- played well under Watters, but doesn't seem to have quite captured his old form after injury- I get he impression that AR and co are trying to make players into something they are not, and probably micro-managing the playing list a bit too heavily. We need to hope that Gilbert's body holds up, and the coach needs to make sure he is managed in that area.

I thinks that just your imagination. If AR was doing all these things wrong you keep suggesting and with a much poorer list than last year im actually wondering how you think we won any games. What are the other players AR is turning into that they are not. I actually havent seen Roberton play a different role this year. Just struggling with injury and confidence but than again if you watch something with a certain bias you will always find fault or positive.

[SaintPav]

I think Shenton would be picked up, and I know for a fact at least 2 other clubs have made contact with him and one more than once.

Cant be true as plugger doesnt rate him. Lets sack Shents and keep on Gwilt Fisher and Dempster so we can have an 09 reunion disco and grand final match re-enactment. Get Grammy back as well. Just keep living in the past.

You're the only one going on about keeping the old list together and about using the club as a superannuation retirement fund.

[plugger66]

. Sobraz how do you know for a fact 2 clubs have made contact with him. You must be a bloody close mate for him to tell you that.

I dont profess to be close to the club, have inside word or be good mates with anyone, never have.

In this case it is someone I know very very close to Shenton that has good reason and interest to know his contract situation.

Does not mean either club have committed or necessarily offered anything, purely made contact. That alone is enough to tell me his career isn't over at the end of this season.

So only you can know anyone plugger? Noone else is allowed to know any inside info?

And find me an adult and Ill have an adult discussion with them.

Find me a nitwit with an iq equal to room temperature and Ill adjust for my audience - like i do with you.

Now I know it is difficult to emotionally adjust that we arent at the top anymore and you no longer have connections at the club. It must feel like a big hole in your heart. So I do sympathise as you work through this transition period and come to terms with the loss and the current day reality. Sometimes it feels better to live in the past or the hope the past will be repeated or somehow revived. 5 stages they say. Acceptance being the last. Counselling can be very helpful.

Con you sound more and more like a man who has lost the plot. I keep telling you I have and have never had any inside knowledge but like a spoilt child you keep mentioning it just like you keep mentioning that people want the side to be like 09 and 10. However the only person that really mentions it is you. I think you have issues. Law. Got to be joking. I wonder whu you keep on moving. Actually i dont. Its quite obvious to all. Now stop with this inside knowledge crap or I may take it further. Maybe to Mornington. And please stop making a fool of yourself. i have met your dad and he is a nice man. He doesnt deserve it. Now keep to footy and my responses will be to your comments and not to you personally.

[mad saint guy]

I'd keep all three. One year extensions for Shenton and Roberton. I think we should have traded Gilbert two years ago when he had serious currency, now he's not worth much on the trade market so we might as well keep him as a handy utility. He would be most valuable if he can start doing some decent lock-down jobs on second\third tall forwards. I don't rate his offensive drive all that highly due to his tendency to kick the ball directly to the opposition.

Webster, Wright and Savage seem to be the three most likely candidates to be the rebounding defenders over the next three years, but both Shenton and Roberton have played some very good footy at AFL level and have the potential to improve. Maybe Wright becomes a midfielder and there's another spot open. Here's how I imagine we should be lining up in 2015

B: Fisher, Delaney, Wright
HB: Savage, Gilbert, Webster
C: Riewoldt, Armitage, Newnes
HF: Curren, Stanley, Templeton
F: Bruce, Lee, Billings

Foll: Hickey, Steven, Weller
Int: Acres, Geary, Dunstan, Saunders (sub)

Next in line: Dempster, Shenton, Roberton, Longer, Ray, Ross

[ChelseaGuy]

Shenton's attacking game is more impressive than his defensive work. Might be overly hard, but never seems to be in position to make the defensive spoil

[bbm]

Yes Shenton has an X Factor in the way that he plays. It's what we need a lot more of. potential for a bit of a cult following down at st.kilda. He will be there next year - not a shadow of a doubt.

[saint6709]

Roberton might not have had a great year - injury ?? Other ? But look at his bio on club website - age, size, games, achievements last year - he is not going anywhere - and will be a top 22 player for years to come

[The Redeemer]

Why would we play a rookie for 10+ games only to delist?

Surely if Shenton was not worth the time, he would have received the Dunnel/TDL treatment?

[saint6709]

Why would we play a rookie for 10+ games only to delist?

Surely if Shenton was not worth the time, he would have received the Dunnel/TDL treatment?

Might have something to do with injuries to webster, wright, geary and gilbert combined with form slumps ( now turned around ) to savage and roberton

I like shenton - but he has a lot of competition for the spot he seems to be comfortable in - and some people are going to have to go at years end - I just think he might be one of them

[The Fireman]

there is something about Shenton I like...would like to try him up forward. Reads the ball well.

[dragit]

there is something about Shenton I like...would like to try him up forward. Reads the ball well.

He came to us as a forward, I think he's probably got more chance of getting a game with us as a forward… he seems more attacking than defensive IMO.

[FQF]

there is something about Shenton I like...would like to try him up forward. Reads the ball well.

He came to us as a forward, I think he's probably got more chance of getting a game with us as a forward… he seems more attacking than defensive IMO.

Did he play well as a forward at Sandy? Why did he move back?

[Saint wagga]

It's good to see the various opinions on the Panther and other fringe medium defenders and running defenders as this thread has sort of trended. Thanks for the opinions i've enjoyed reading the various views and only time will tell which way our list managment will go...Should be entertaining and suspenceful to say the least

[Con Gorozidis]

The way I see it the panther is 23 - a late bloomer recruited from the SANFL at age 21. Far from our worst. Still showing plenty of signs of improvement. Played plenty of good VFL games and a few good AFL games and some serviceable ones. In our current state - surely he deserves another year. The kind of guy who we might get 3 good years out of from 24-27.

Id be shocked and disappointed if he went. Keep the panther.

[plugger66]

The way I see it the panther is 23 - a late bloomer recruited from the SANFL at age 21. Far from our worst. Still showing plenty of signs of improvement. Played plenty of good VFL games and a few good AFL games and some serviceable ones. In our current state - surely he deserves another year. The kind of guy who we might get 3 good years out of from 25-28. Similar to how Gwilt was imho.

Id be shocked and disappointed if he went.

He still isnt as good as Gwilt now. Struggles to run out games. He is a fair player. We have about 15 of them especially HBF.