Shenton vs Roberton vs Gilbert

[Saint wagga]

With 4 games to go and an eye to next year, do people think we will likely keep all 3 of these players? When fit Gilbert has shown he is probably very important to team structure despite his occassional lack of polish by foot, and I'm pretty sure Richo agrees going by the number of times he's been referenced as an important out this year...

Which brings me to ROberton and Shenton - it's no secret I think Shenton has more 'potential' upside than Roberton. It's my opinion that Roberton has had plenty of time to cement an AFL spot and just doesn't look likely at this stage to be a long term option through lack of consistency. I would be happy to see him make way on the list for someone else, harsh, but there's no question some tough calls are going to be made at list management time....what do other people think...

[plugger66]

With 4 games to go and an eye to next year, do people think we will likely keep all 3 of these players? When fit Gilbert has shown he is probably very important to team structure despite his occassional lack of polish by foot, and I'm pretty sure Richo agrees going by the number of times he's been referenced as an important out this year...

Which brings me to ROberton and Shenton - it's no secret I think Shenton has more 'potential' upside than Roberton. It's my opinion that Roberton has had plenty of time to cement an AFL spot and just doesn't look likely at this stage to be a long term option through lack of consistency. I would be happy to see him make way on the list for someone else, harsh, but there's no question some tough calls are going to be made at list management time....what do other people think...

If they dont trade Gilbert i would think Shenton will not be upgraded. We have so many half backs as it is. i would probably delist Roberton as well but that will not happen. I dont think either are better than ordinary footballers and we have far to many of them. The problem is they cant all go in the one year.

[saint6709]

I think Roberton ahead of Shenton and think Shenton could go at seasons end

[Saint wagga]

Any Panther fans out there - now's your chance to talk your man up. I'd be dissapointed to see him go, but not devo. Here's an interesting comparison. Who would people pick as a running half back/wing out of Nathan Wrght and the Panther going forward and why...

[plugger66]

Any Panther fans out there - now's your chance to talk your man up. I'd be dissapointed to see him go, but not devo. Here's an interesting comparison. Who would people pick as a running half back/wing out of Nathan Wrght and the Panther going forward and why...

Wright because he looks faster and better and fitter as in doesnt look tired like Shenton does. The issue with Wright is he is always injured. And how could i pick Shenton when I think he shouldnt be upgraded.

[Saint wagga]

Yes Plugger, your true to your word and a definate non-Panther believer. As for Wright, hopefully he can force his way back into the side for maybe the last couple of games, or at least play out the year well at Sandi and build to a big 3rd year on the list. I'm certainly hopeful he really comes on with a good run of luck with injuries so we can see him nail down a spot in the best 22 because he's obviously rated internally and i'm happy to go with that for now...

[Bluthy]

I think Roberton is in the biggest trouble. The fact that they are playing him in the ones could actually indicate they are giving him his last chances. I think Shenton is worth putting on the list. His skills are a bit lacking but he's shown some gumption. This is probably the first year where he's been in a good development environment and he's come a long a bit so worth hoping he can keep that upward trajectory. Otherwise he can be useful tough place holder while we groom new half backs.

[SaintPav]

Bluthy, I'm not sure about your first point on Roberton.

Wright is ahead of Shenton, easily.

[Bluthy]

Bluthy, I'm not sure about your first point on Roberton.

Wright is ahead of Shenton, easily.

Roberton looking promising early the way he took the game on. But he seems to have stalled badly after some injuries and lack of confidence. What really goes against him is his lack of quality disposal. But we'll see.

[desertsaint]

I like what I've seen of Shenton. Hope to see more. Needs time.

[SemperFidelis]

I like what I've seen of Shenton. Hope to see more. Needs time.

+1

[#gosaintas]

Wright then Roberton. Shenton to be delisted.

[dragit]

It's an interesting problem: If Delaney, Fisher, Dempster & Gilbert are fit I would say they pick themselves…

Which only leaves 2 or 3 or places for a large number of players - Geary, Gwilt, Savage, Webster, Newnes, Wright, Roberton, Shenton, Dunell, Acres, Bruce, Simpkin, Ray, Markworth - some of which may play forward or midfield, but still that's a lot of players in the medium defender/utility sector. 14 is clearly too many here…

If Fisher gets another injury he is finished, if he isn't already.
To be honest, I don't think Roberton or Shenton are in our best 25-odd. I would certainly rather see Webster, Wright, Acres, Newnes, Bruce & probably Markworth played in front of those two.

[Saint wagga]

Bluthy, I'm not sure about your first point on Roberton.

Wright is ahead of Shenton, easily.

I'm interested to know why you think so SaintPav...without looking them up, there wouldn't be an easy statistical advantage in Wright's favour. Age, sure, Wright has more time to improve in pure years, but they've played about the same number of games (There's nothing wrong with a late bloomer). Impact on games so far, this is very much ipinion based, but Shenton seems to have been impactful on games, at least as impactful as Wright...Certainly he's 'rated' higher than shenton, given his relatively early draft position, but plenty of those mid 20 picks don't go on to be good players and after patience runs out, people turn on underperformers, wheras Shenton has come from the rookie draft. Neither player is classy off both feet. Shenton's taller. They both still get beaten pretty often in 1 on 1's...This isn 't a post to say Wright is no good and is on borrowed time, I want him to come one as aplayer big time, more just wanting to know on what basis you rate him alot higher than the panther...

[Con Gorozidis]

Id keep all three at this stage.
Unless someone offered us a top 25 pick for Gilbo wbich we say every year and never happens..
But for me keep them all another year.

If we dump one of these bloke but keep all of dempster gwilt and fisher on board it would be madness.

[Dave McNamara]

I like what I've seen of Shenton. Hope to see more. Needs time.

+1

Plus another one!

Watching him, yep a few mistakes for sure, but just looks like given a bit more time/experience everything will really click for him. A definite keeper for mine. Go the Panther!

Roberton showed what he could do last year. However, my concern is whether his ankle injury will ever allow him to play like that again or not. Does anyone know the answer to that one?

Sam G is very underrated IMHO. Despite his recent run of injuries, I'd be surprised if his body was shot (as Schneids and possibly also Sam Fs' appear to be). So assuming he's ok, then I'd expect him to have at least 3-4 more years.

BTW, I don't see the need to choose between these guys. We currently have list space for also three. Plus, Sam G can play many roles, and to a lesser extent the Panther also.

Thoughts...?



Admittedly not the subjects of this thread, but whilst there are valid question marks re several blokes, IMHO the only two blokes on our list who are clearly not up to (and won't ever be up to) AFL standard are TDL and Tezza.

[Saint wagga]

I guess Dave, the object of the thread was to see how these players are rated in peoples opinion given we will be shedding some at seasons end and the half back flanker/medium defender is an area we seem to be overstocked in...FWIW, i personally think Roberton falls into the Tezza and TDL category...others will have their own view on the categorical list cloggers

[WinnersOnly]

Gilbert (when playing) > Shenton > Roberton for me.

Shenton has more run and carry and can play on small and mid sized forwards. Roberton not a smart footballer and restricted in his match ups.

[SaintPav]

Bluthy, I'm not sure about your first point on Roberton.

Wright is ahead of Shenton, easily.

I'm interested to know why you think so SaintPav...without looking them up, there wouldn't be an easy statistical advantage in Wright's favour. Age, sure, Wright has more time to improve in pure years, but they've played about the same number of games (There's nothing wrong with a late bloomer). Impact on games so far, this is very much ipinion based, but Shenton seems to have been impactful on games, at least as impactful as Wright...Certainly he's 'rated' higher than shenton, given his relatively early draft position, but plenty of those mid 20 picks don't go on to be good players and after patience runs out, people turn on underperformers, wheras Shenton has come from the rookie draft. Neither player is classy off both feet. Shenton's taller. They both still get beaten pretty often in 1 on 1's...This isn 't a post to say Wright is no good and is on borrowed time, I want him to come one as aplayer big time, more just wanting to know on what basis you rate him alot higher than the panther...

I haven't looked at the stats but I have been impressed with Wright's attack on the ball. He has speed which along with his courage gives him an X factor. His disposal is ok and will hopefully improve with more experience and confidence.

I've sat next to him at the footy and he's lightly built so he may be even better when he builds some more mass. Wright has heaps of upside IMO.

I think Shenton has been ok but he sometimes looks a bit lost.

How tall is he? 6 feet 2''? So he can't really play tall. As we know, we have a few of his size and we can't keep all of them.

Shenton is a good VFL player and has done well to get off the rookie list. He has had some reasonable games, but he's not the type of player that excites me too much and won't help us get up the ladder.

Now I've written that, he'll probably be our best player for the next ten years.

[SaintPav]

A further thing about Wright is that he looks extremley keen to make it. He also comes across as a footy nut.

It was just a perception, but I was impressed with him.

[Saint wagga]

haha...no thats a fair assessment IMO and I agree with everything you've written re: Wright.

[saintsRrising]

Shenton has shown a good offensive side.

But currently he is not a patch on the other two defensively.

Personally I still find it odd that many seem to underate Gilbert, who I personally rate highly.

[Sobraz]

Gilbo is a gun who is in a different league to the other 2.. One of the first picked when fit.

I am a big fan of Shents, and was disappointed when he was dropped for no reason.. IMO has shown a hell of a lot more than Newnes in the past month, who seems to be in the first picked basket along with Roo and Lenny...
Shents and Wright are level pegging for mine, and I'd play them both next year, ahead of Roberton, who seems a decent offensive player, but is very flakey and clanger-prone.

I'd play Wright back pocket and Shenton HBF with a bit of license. He wants it really bad and he will make it, whether it be in our jumper or somewhere else...

[St Ick]

Whilst Roberton doesn't have as many runs on the board as Jack, he can certainly be afforded the same excuses as him this year with regard to injury and not being able to build on last years form - didn't he have his ankle fused or something?

Gilbert is the best player in this list of three, despite the odd 'I didn't grow up playing AFL brain fade', Roberton has so much upside it's not funny based on last years breakout season and Shenton is only ever going to be depth imo - doesn't have significant polish or enough tricks to warrant not potentially picking up another kid to develop.

[Junction Oval]

Gilbert is a given. I like Nathan Wright, now coming back from a broken leg. It's a toss-up between Shents & Roberton. On last year's form, you would give it to Roberton, but I like Shents run off HB. He has improved a lot, coming off the Rookie list.

The question is, who will develop more?? In a toss-up, I would go for Shenton.