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jonesy wrote:I reckon it would take pick 1 and Armo
Don't understand why we would entertain that.
You are saying Boyd is of equal or more value than Petracca and Armo combined. Doesn't compute.
I'm saying that's what gws will ask, not what I think it's worth. Be highly surprised if they did a sideways trade for Boyd , they will want to win on it
Unsure how we get Boyd. matter of fact we cant. I would trade pick one for a player but I stand by what I have been saying and that is GWS surely want proven players and not another draft pick. Whats the point in developing these guys for 3 years and then trading for a pick and starting again. I think GWS will be trying to push their players he may want to leave to clubs that can give them players. We arent in that position because we dont have a player to give.
I think it's GWS's strategy to top up every year with high end talent. They will lose a couple each year but it's about turning over players to get improvement in their choices. They'll also try and get in experienced players as part of their strategy - Shaw, Hunt last year.
In saying that Boyd is one they'd probably like to keep but you never know how valuable Petracca may be to them if they lose Shiel.
I've never seen a bad St.Kilda player - that's just how they are.
PJ wrote:I think it's GWS's strategy to top up every year with high end talent. They will lose a couple each year but it's about turning over players to get improvement in their choices. They'll also try and get in experienced players as part of their strategy - Shaw, Hunt last year.
In saying that Boyd is one they'd probably like to keep but you never know how valuable Petracca may be to them if they lose Shiel.
I dont even think under the rules Boyd can go anywhere and topping up every year wont win you games. You just become a breeding ground for other clubs. They need to start winning or players will leave very quickly.
PJ wrote:I think it's GWS's strategy to top up every year with high end talent. They will lose a couple each year but it's about turning over players to get improvement in their choices. They'll also try and get in experienced players as part of their strategy - Shaw, Hunt last year.
In saying that Boyd is one they'd probably like to keep but you never know how valuable Petracca may be to them if they lose Shiel.
I dont even think under the rules Boyd can go anywhere and topping up every year wont win you games. You just become a breeding ground for other clubs. They need to start winning or players will leave very quickly.
Every club has to top up every year you can't go without drafting young players. They just have the advantage of being able to pick up very high end talent.
I'm not sure what you're meaning with he can't go anywhere - is there a rue that disallows new draftees being traded?
I've never seen a bad St.Kilda player - that's just how they are.
Other than a key defender, I can't see why GWS would want to trade with anyone. They have players entering that 21 to 23 age bracket soon with 50 or more games behind them. Most of their youngsters are now physically developed. If I was in charge of their recruiting I would simply keep drafting talented youngsters.
PJ wrote:I think it's GWS's strategy to top up every year with high end talent. They will lose a couple each year but it's about turning over players to get improvement in their choices. They'll also try and get in experienced players as part of their strategy - Shaw, Hunt last year.
In saying that Boyd is one they'd probably like to keep but you never know how valuable Petracca may be to them if they lose Shiel.
I dont even think under the rules Boyd can go anywhere and topping up every year wont win you games. You just become a breeding ground for other clubs. They need to start winning or players will leave very quickly.
Every club has to top up every year you can't go without drafting young players. They just have the advantage of being able to pick up very high end talent.
I'm not sure what you're meaning with he can't go anywhere - is there a rue that disallows new draftees being traded?
I actually think there was a rule brought in. In the back of my mind I think they did that to stop players getting delisted after one year and it may also prevents trading a player after one year. Could be wrong but it wont matter as he wont be going anywhere next season. Yes i know every club tops up through the draft but they already have a top 4 draft pick and an end of first round draft pick so im suggesting they would want proven players more than another draft pick as they will already have 3 in the top 22.
PJ wrote:I'm not so sure there isn't a clear no#1. I think it's the discussion around KPPs that is muddying the waters or draft for needs with the knowledge that KPPs take longer to develop.
What would the criteria be for overall best player?
Petracca is the next Chris Judd. To me a clear number one pick.
plugger66 wrote:
I actually think there was a rule brought in. In the back of my mind I think they did that to stop players getting delisted after one year and it may also prevents trading a player after one year. Could be wrong but it wont matter as he wont be going anywhere next season. Yes i know every club tops up through the draft but they already have a top 4 draft pick and an end of first round draft pick so im suggesting they would want proven players more than another draft pick as they will already have 3 in the top 22.
How is it that they will have 3 in the top 22? Where does their pick at the end of the first round come from? Are they still getting priority picks or other advantages at the draft?
There is a massive assumption here that we will have pick 1, another win like last week and we could be looking at pick 3 or 4, GWS still a very big chance to have pick 1
sainterryan wrote:There is a massive assumption here that we will have pick 1, another win like last week and we could be looking at pick 3 or 4, GWS still a very big chance to have pick 1
We can still lose all our remaining games and still not get pick 1. We are less than 2% behind Brisbane now. We could well be off the bottom in a few hours.
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IF Mccartin is top of our draft board then I would do a straight swap 1 for Boyd. If petrecca is top priority then it's more complicated and would do a bundled trade for a couple of their mids.
jonesy wrote:I reckon it would take pick 1 and Armo
We only have 2 decent mids in the mid age bracket in Armo and Steven, and you want to trade one of them as a steak knife?
No, no where have I said I want to trade for Boyd. I am saying what gws will ask for him. They won't do a straight swap for pick 1, they will want a sweetener.
sainterryan wrote:There is a massive assumption here that we will have pick 1, another win like last week and we could be looking at pick 3 or 4, GWS still a very big chance to have pick 1
We can still lose all our remaining games and still not get pick 1. We are less than 2% behind Brisbane now. We could well be off the bottom in a few hours.
Lions 53 up already, think we might stay on the bottom for another week
We need KPP forwards. GWS are not trading Boyd, they have a big 3 Bod, Cameron and Patton for the future ( which also still provides them 2 if 1 decides to go home ). GWs looking for experienced role players to add - Gilbert probably the only guy we have which they want and we are willing to give up.
If line ball pick McCartin, if Petrecca clearly the best pick him but risk in that relying on Lee, Stanley and White for the future with Stanley the only one i can see playing 100 plus games for the club
sainterryan wrote:There is a massive assumption here that we will have pick 1, another win like last week and we could be looking at pick 3 or 4, GWS still a very big chance to have pick 1
We can still lose all our remaining games and still not get pick 1. We are less than 2% behind Brisbane now. We could well be off the bottom in a few hours.
Lions 53 up already, think we might stay on the bottom for another week
Yeah Suns insipid. We might get them next week if they play like this again. They have taken 3 marks and are behind by 100 possies and 10 goals half way through the 2nd. Staggering really.
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If we knock off the Suns, the Dees vs GWS game could decide the spoon in a threeway with us and with the Saints having the worst % at present.
I have a feeling that GWS will take the spoon with Saints 17th. With all the big forwards GWS have that would mean that they would be odds on to take Petracca.
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If we knock off the Suns, the Dees vs GWS game could decide the spoon in a threeway with us and with the Saints having the worst % at present.
I have a feeling that GWS will take the spoon with Saints 17th. With all the big forwards GWS have that would mean that they would be odds on to take Petracca.
Agree with that....
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It would be terrible is GWS (who have soooo much talent on their books) end up with Petracca!!!!
Their game against the cats showed some really promising signs. I think they will win one more. We could get up over the suns (though less likely up there) which would mean that it comes down to us and the Dees for Pick 1.
