Blessing In Disguise

[6621104]

I for one can see where Bernard is coming from, have said similar things to my sons about the safety first option in many of our defensive kicks. It is perhaps a little extreme to suggest this is all down to Dempster and may be more obvious this year as upfield options were limited but all should recognise the mark, immediately run backwards to prepare to kick then look sideways pattern so typical of him, Ray and to a lesser degree Gwilt.
Habits ingrained by previous success are hard to break.
This has nothing to do with his intercept marking ability by the way nor his reading of the play, both of which have been superior.

[matrix]

id be saying dempsters been following instructions all year
maybe those instructions were changed this week and demps didnt get a chance to follow said instructions because he was smashed into the middle of next week?

if he was giving defensive kicks all year and the coaching panel didnt like it as it was agasint instructions, you reckon he'd be getting a game????

you watch he'll come back in, he'll play the way he is instructed to do, we'll get beaten and it'll be linked back to demps being too defensive

[Bunk_Moreland]

So you are saying we are a ten goal worse team with Dempster in the team?

Wow

You sound a lot like Joffa ..

read this

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=86518

Do it again and you will be reported and warned

[6621104]

If you look back at game threads over the year the slow , defensive nature of our play out of our own back half has been noted over and over. Do I think as mentioned " Quote:if he was giving defensive kicks all year and the coaching panel didnt like it as it was agasint instructions, you reckon he'd be getting a game????"...... if Geary, Webster, Wright, Acres, Gilbert and Fisher had not been out of action that Dempster would still be getting a game ?- the answer is no.
We will have to wait for the end of the year or early next to find out.

[duckduckduckgoose]

I for one can see where Bernard is coming from, have said similar things to my sons about the safety first option in many of our defensive kicks. It is perhaps a little extreme to suggest this is all down to Dempster and may be more obvious this year as upfield options were limited but all should recognise the mark, immediately run backwards to prepare to kick then look sideways pattern so typical of him, Ray and to a lesser degree Gwilt.
Habits ingrained by previous success are hard to break.
This has nothing to do with his intercept marking ability by the way nor his reading of the play, both of which have been superior.

well said...infact better said than the OP.

[dragit]

It's pretty obvious we are a top 2 side without Dempster holding us back.

[plugger66]

It's pretty obvious we are a top 2 side without Dempster holding us back.

Have you seen who played in both GF in 2009 and 10? i never worked out the issue until now.

[Bunk_Moreland]

It's pretty obvious we are a top 2 side without Dempster holding us back.

Have you seen who played in both GF in 2009 and 10? i never worked out the issue until now.

Obviously would have won 09 by 48 points and 2010 by ten goals.

Damn you Dempster

[6621104]

Apologies, I thought we were referring to current form and the 2014 side.

[plugger66]

Apologies, I thought we were referring to current form and the 2014 side.

Well the thread was rather irrational so I have no idea what anyone was referring to but the day losing a BP in the first few minutes of game helps you win by 10 goals is the day I stop following the game. Losing Dempster had nothing to do with anything that happened on Saturday.

[6621104]

So why add to the "irrational" by referring to years ago? Do you think Dempster would get a game in a side with Geary, Delaney, Gwilt, Webster, Fisher, Wright in the back line? If so, who would you prefer him to? And what of Roberton, Shenton and Simpkin? Time catches up with everyone, and I think his time is coming.

[Bunk_Moreland]

So why add to the "irrational" by referring to years ago? Do you think Dempster would get a game in a side with Geary, Delaney, Gwilt, Webster, Fisher, Wright in the back line? If so, who would you prefer him to? And what of Roberton, Shenton and Simpkin? Time catches up with everyone, and I think his time is coming.

So that equates to him being s ten goal drag on the team????

OK then

[6621104]

bunk..um!

[mr six o'clock]

The only blessing was that Captain Caveman got a full game !

[Bernard Shakey]

What has ten goals got to do with anything?

I said the loss of Dempster in the first few minutes changed the way we played the game in defence. No doubt we were told to take the game on by AR. He's been pushing that for several weeks now. It happened this week, and strangely Sean was not there.

Dempster is definitely in our best 22, but does play a negative game!

Just my observation. I'm amazed so many say can spout all this crap about a ten goal better or worse team!

[Bunk_Moreland]

What has ten goals got to do with anything?

I said the loss of Dempster in the first few minutes changed the way we played the game in defence. No doubt we were told to take the game on by AR. He's been pushing that for several weeks now. It happened this week, and strangely Sean was not there.

Dempster is definitely in our best 22, but does play a negative game!

Just my observation. I'm amazed so many say can spout all this crap about a ten goal better or worse team!

We won by 58 points. You said we would have lost with Dempster playing.

Seems reasonable to conclude you are stating Saints are a 10 goal worse team with Dempster in it on the weekend.

Saints would had to score a combo of less goals and Freo a combo of more goals for us to lose by more than 58 points.

OP deserved ridicule

[Bernard Shakey]

What has ten goals got to do with anything?

I said the loss of Dempster in the first few minutes changed the way we played the game in defence. No doubt we were told to take the game on by AR. He's been pushing that for several weeks now. It happened this week, and strangely Sean was not there.

Dempster is definitely in our best 22, but does play a negative game!

Just my observation. I'm amazed so many say can spout all this crap about a ten goal better or worse team!

We won by 58 points. You said we would have lost with Dempster playing.

Seems reasonable to conclude you are stating Saints are a 10 goal worse team with Dempster in it on the weekend.

Saints would had to score a combo of less goals and Freo a combo of more goals for us to lose by more than 58 points.

OP deserved ridicule

As do you on many occasions!

[thejiggingsaint]

I've always thought of us being a better side for the inclusion of Sean Dempster. Just an opinion of course.

[cwrcyn]

Dempster's form has been poor this year. He fumbles the ball when it's below his knees and he has dropped numerous uncontested marks. I would argue that his form has been worse than Gwilt. Dempster has been necessary as a key defender when we have not had sufficient numbers in that area. However, once those positions are adequately filled, there are more creative and attacking players available to play that mid size defender role

[st.byron]

What has ten goals got to do with anything?

I said the loss of Dempster in the first few minutes changed the way we played the game in defence......

You also said in the OP, quote,

"Hoping Sean is okay and not wishing him any ill will, I think if he wasn't KO'd we wouldn't have won."

That's not just saying his loss changed the way we played the game in defence. It's saying there would have been a ten goal or more turnaround and the result would have been different. That's what ten goals has to do with it.

[thejiggingsaint]

fair comment , to a degree re his form this season (he's not alone there however!) but over the journey he has been one of our finest. AND still can be!

[matrix]

So you are saying we are a ten goal worse team with Dempster in the team?

Wow

You sound a lot like Joffa ..

read this

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=86518

Do it again and you will be reported and warned

PMSL
more obvious than an elephant trying to hide in a bowl of soup

[Bunk_Moreland]

So you are saying we are a ten goal worse team with Dempster in the team?

Wow

You sound a lot like Joffa ..

read this

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=86518

Do it again and you will be reported and warned

PMSL
more obvious than an elephant trying to hide in a bowl of soup

like the quoted post has nothing to do with the OP.

Unlike the quoted post, whom I gave a courteous warning, you have been reported for baiting and being off topic, as you have read the topic and attempted to accuse posters of having multiple nics.

Mods asked me to do this so reported you are.

Enjoy

[matrix]

post reported for being off topic

[Bunk_Moreland]

post reported for being off topic

Cool, what are your thoughts on the OP matrix, are we a ten goal worse team with Sean Dempster in it as BS claimed in the OP?