Mitch Clark

[saintsRrising]

What does Peter Harcourt think?

Yes I wondered perhaps the same thing as you when the Harcourt story broke.

[Richter]

To me it seemed like his depression was precipitated by his recurrent injuries and compounded at the end by a sense of guilt that he was taking significant coin from Melbourne that he finally realised he was going to be unable to give them much for. So he retired and gave up some of the $ he could he taken.

He continues to live in the Bayside region, and if he has managed to turn his state of mind around and has gotten on top of his injury issues... well he might be worth a look in. For a psd pick he would be fairly low risk I would have thought.

[remboy]

The way he sounded I feel the biggest chance of him playing again would with one of the WA sides. Don't think he'd be that keen to move that far from home at the koment.

[skeptic]

you can control depression...you can't cure it.....

Coming from a mental health clinician with a masters degree and 10years experience... This is an incredibly ignorant post

...stop embarresing yourself.....i am more than familiar with depression......from a professional standpoint
of over twenty years.....as well as having close relatives with the illness.....


we are not taliking about such things as post natal depression...which of course can be cured....

Ok. Can I ask what you mean by this this and why you believe it?

[stinger]

you can control depression...you can't cure it.....

Coming from a mental health clinician with a masters degree and 10years experience... This is an incredibly ignorant post

...stop embarresing yourself.....i am more than familiar with depression......from a professional standpoint
of over twenty years.....as well as having close relatives with the illness.....


we are not taliking about such things as post natal depression...which of course can be cured....

Incredibly ignorant and arrogant post.

If you don't understand the complexities of mental illness keep it to yourself, it's people spouting nonsense like this that creates a stigma which further harms the individuals suffering from these conditions.

The developments that have been made over the last decade have been phenomenal and your comments would have been outdated even before then

you have no idea of what i do for a living or what my family situation is.......so you keep your opinions to yourself unless you have doctor before your name....i'm damn sure that my experience outways yours ffs

[plugger66]

you can control depression...you can't cure it.....

Coming from a mental health clinician with a masters degree and 10years experience... This is an incredibly ignorant post

...stop embarresing yourself.....i am more than familiar with depression......from a professional standpoint
of over twenty years.....as well as having close relatives with the illness.....


we are not taliking about such things as post natal depression...which of course can be cured....

Incredibly ignorant and arrogant post.

If you don't understand the complexities of mental illness keep it to yourself, it's people spouting nonsense like this that creates a stigma which further harms the individuals suffering from these conditions.

The developments that have been made over the last decade have been phenomenal and your comments would have been outdated even before then

you have no idea of what i do for a living or what my family situation is.......so you keep your opinions to yourself unless you have doctor before your name....i'm damn sure that my experience outways yours ffs

We all know what you say you do for a living. You told us all many times you are a lawyer. By the way didnt you have a go at a poster just before Armoo said something?

[Armoooo]

you can control depression...you can't cure it.....

Coming from a mental health clinician with a masters degree and 10years experience... This is an incredibly ignorant post

...stop embarresing yourself.....i am more than familiar with depression......from a professional standpoint
of over twenty years.....as well as having close relatives with the illness.....


we are not taliking about such things as post natal depression...which of course can be cured....

Incredibly ignorant and arrogant post.

If you don't understand the complexities of mental illness keep it to yourself, it's people spouting nonsense like this that creates a stigma which further harms the individuals suffering from these conditions.

The developments that have been made over the last decade have been phenomenal and your comments would have been outdated even before then

you have no idea of what i do for a living or what my family situation is.......so you keep your opinions to yourself unless you have doctor before your name....i'm damn sure that my experience outways yours ffs

I don't care what you do for a living and I didn't ask what your family situation is.

I just pointed out that what you said is plain wrong. Any personal experience you may have had doesn't change that.

I don't have Dr before my name but I very may well in the next few years, would you like me to tell you how wrong you are then?

Also as somebody who has suffered depression, comes from a family with an extensive history of depression, did help line support work, done councelling with at risk kids and lost more than a couple of friends to suicide I think I've got a pretty fair background on the topic myself.

[stinger]

you can control depression...you can't cure it.....

Coming from a mental health clinician with a masters degree and 10years experience... This is an incredibly ignorant post

...stop embarresing yourself.....i am more than familiar with depression......from a professional standpoint
of over twenty years.....as well as having close relatives with the illness.....


we are not taliking about such things as post natal depression...which of course can be cured....

Incredibly ignorant and arrogant post.

If you don't understand the complexities of mental illness keep it to yourself, it's people spouting nonsense like this that creates a stigma which further harms the individuals suffering from these conditions.

The developments that have been made over the last decade have been phenomenal and your comments would have been outdated even before then

you have no idea of what i do for a living or what my family situation is.......so you keep your opinions to yourself unless you have doctor before your name....i'm damn sure that my experience outways yours ffs

I don't care what you do for a living and I didn't ask what your family situation is.

I just pointed out that what you said is plain wrong. Any personal experience you may have had doesn't change that.

I don't have Dr before my name but I very may well in the next few years, would you like me to tell you how wrong you are then?

Also as somebody who has suffered depression, comes from a family with an extensive history of depression, did help line support work, done councelling with at risk kids and lost more than a couple of friends to suicide I think I've got a pretty fair background on the topic myself.

sorry to hear of your personal situation....doesn't change my view that depression can be controlled but is never cured....unless it is drug or alcohol induced in the first place..that's my opinion, based on many years of listening to professionals who are all far more qualified that you......stating a person opinion on a footy forum about whether or not to recruit an individual should not result in the type of personal abuse you directed at me....ps.....at least learn how to spell what you claim to have been doing....

[Armoooo]

Drug related depressions can be some of the least likely to be recovered from as they can damage the actual structures of the brain relating to mood.

The most common forms of depression are the result of hormone imbalances which can come from a wide range of sources, some as simple as diet and exposure to natural sunlight. Remove the hormonal imbalances and you remove the symptoms, simple as that.

Nobody on here knows Clark's situation, but in general, depression can be cured in certain circumstances.

You also can't argue behind the old opinion argument when it comes to science. To paraphrase Neil Degrasse Tyson, the great thing about science is its true whether you believe it or not.

But then again, I did make a typo in my previous post so I guess anything I say is invalid.

[Dis Believer]

Everything else is white noise - the only important questions are:

1) Is Mitch Clark physically and mentally up to playing AFL again?

2) Does he want to play again, and if so is he happy to play at our club?

Everything else is irrelevant. The fact is that the bloke can play key forward, play it well and if we can get him via preseason then go for it. He's a good player when fit and is in the age bracket that is a chasm on our list. It would relieve some of the incredible burden on Roo in his last year, would relegate Stanley to third string forward (at which he would look like a different player IMO) and probably go close to making us look like a functional AFL team when we move the ball forward.

Also buys us some time to get some development into White.

[PJ]

I think this is a very long thread for what is a pretty much hypothetical guess by someone. Pretty sure there is no real substance from what I've read on here.

[thejiggingsaint]

sorted?

[PJ]

sorted?

Cheers Jig

[stinger]

Drug related depressions can be some of the least likely to be recovered from as they can damage the actual structures of the brain relating to mood.

The most common forms of depression are the result of hormone imbalances which can come from a wide range of sources, some as simple as diet and exposure to natural sunlight. Remove the hormonal imbalances and you remove the symptoms, simple as that.

Nobody on here knows Clark's situation, but in general, depression can be cured in certain circumstances.

You also can't argue behind the old opinion argument when it comes to science. To paraphrase Neil Degrasse Tyson, the great thing about science is its true whether you believe it or not.

But then again, I did make a typo in my previous post so I guess anything I say is invalid.

as i said i'm sorry to hear about your personal situation......i don't want to get out a measuring tape in this argument, but what i'm talking about is clinical depression...the type that they still give electric shock treatment for, or prescribe a life time of medication .....yes...some people on medication think they no longer need it and come of the drugs....most relapse within a short period of time......you can have your view...i will maintain mine...nothing either of us say is going to change that.........i realize it must be hard for you to engage in this argument so from me...enough is enough...and i still would not recruit clarke....give him a job...yes...be his friend...yes....but have the saints take a chance on him...no......

[Armoooo]

I'm happy to leave it at that too mate.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't recruit him either.

[magnifisaint]

Are we implying that Clark had some sort of substance abuse?
When he retired that was the 1st thing that came into my mind.

[skeptic]

Without entering into the personal circumstances discussion in the case RE Mitch the clincher for me would be the type of depression that he has...

As Armo pointed out, there's the hormonal type of depression which to me is depression in its truest form...
treatment can vary a bit dependent on lifestyle factors and severity. For people needing medication... it can be a simple case of being on them for months or a few years and the episode is a blip in an otherwise full life. Alternatively, it can be cyclical too and bob back from time to time requiring intermittent treatment. Alternatively, it can be quite serious requiring ongoing treatment for a sustained time... sometimes forever.

Stinger's initial comment bothered just because whilst the circumstance he described is a very legitimate one, the majority of this type of sufferer usually just has an episode, maybe two and otherwise live w/o it hanging over them... this is also very well supported in literature too.

If Mitch Clarke had this type of depression... I would consider redrafting him depending on the details (which are obviously not my right to know).


The growing form of depression out there is a kind of social depression. People present to GPs, EDs or community mental health services reporting depressive type symptoms secondary to personal stressors happening to them in their lives... usually financial or relationship based... in this type of circumstance there's really very little to be gained from hospitalisaiton, meds, counselling etc but we're living in such a litigous society now where f the term suicidal is mentioned, healthcare professionals are inclined to do something so as they can show they did something in the event of an adverse outcome. The most common being starting someone on an anti-depressant that they don't need to be on.
Hence (IMO) you end up in a scenario where people take less responsibility for themselves and try to shift accountability or blame illness for poor decisions/coping. So by becoming involved, services are actually not helping the person so much

If this is the scenario, or it's a combination of the two, I would be more inclined to steer clear as poor decision making is likely to be ongoing

[stinger]

Without entering into the personal circumstances discussion in the case RE Mitch the clincher for me would be the type of depression that he has...

As Armo pointed out, there's the hormonal type of depression which to me is depression in its truest form...
treatment can vary a bit dependent on lifestyle factors and severity. For people needing medication... it can be a simple case of being on them for months or a few years and the episode is a blip in an otherwise full life. Alternatively, it can be cyclical too and bob back from time to time requiring intermittent treatment. Alternatively, it can be quite serious requiring ongoing treatment for a sustained time... sometimes forever.

Stinger's initial comment bothered just because whilst the circumstance he described is a very legitimate one, the majority of this type of sufferer usually just has an episode, maybe two and otherwise live w/o it hanging over them... this is also very well supported in literature too.

If Mitch Clarke had this type of depression... I would consider redrafting him depending on the details (which are obviously not my right to know).


The growing form of depression out there is a kind of social depression. People present to GPs, EDs or community mental health services reporting depressive type symptoms secondary to personal stressors happening to them in their lives... usually financial or relationship based... in this type of circumstance there's really very little to be gained from hospitalisaiton, meds, counselling etc but we're living in such a litigous society now where f the term suicidal is mentioned, healthcare professionals are inclined to do something so as they can show they did something in the event of an adverse outcome. The most common being starting someone on an anti-depressant that they don't need to be on.
Hence (IMO) you end up in a scenario where people take less responsibility for themselves and try to shift accountability or blame illness for poor decisions/coping. So by becoming involved, services are actually not helping the person so much

If this is the scenario, or it's a combination of the two, I would be more inclined to steer clear as poor decision making is likely to be ongoing

noted..i am not going to go any further than that....

[The Redeemer]

Drug related depressions can be some of the least likely to be recovered from as they can damage the actual structures of the brain relating to mood.

The most common forms of depression are the result of hormone imbalances which can come from a wide range of sources, some as simple as diet and exposure to natural sunlight. Remove the hormonal imbalances and you remove the symptoms, simple as that.

Nobody on here knows Clark's situation, but in general, depression can be cured in certain circumstances.

You also can't argue behind the old opinion argument when it comes to science. To paraphrase Neil Degrasse Tyson, the great thing about science is its true whether you believe it or not.

But then again, I did make a typo in my previous post so I guess anything I say is invalid.

Agreed. Any poster trying to make some bulls***, naive or plain dumb diagnosis is a f****** wanker.

One thing about Mitch Clark is that the bloke has balls. Major balls. To go public with his mental health situation considering his sporting background takes major balls.

Therefore, if Mitch Clark stated he is well to resume his career, surely a bloke with the balls that he obviously possesses should be listened to?

Sheesh most people on here are absolute tools.

[stinger]

Drug related depressions can be some of the least likely to be recovered from as they can damage the actual structures of the brain relating to mood.

The most common forms of depression are the result of hormone imbalances which can come from a wide range of sources, some as simple as diet and exposure to natural sunlight. Remove the hormonal imbalances and you remove the symptoms, simple as that.

Nobody on here knows Clark's situation, but in general, depression can be cured in certain circumstances.

You also can't argue behind the old opinion argument when it comes to science. To paraphrase Neil Degrasse Tyson, the great thing about science is its true whether you believe it or not.

But then again, I did make a typo in my previous post so I guess anything I say is invalid.

Agreed. Any poster trying to make some bulls***, naive or plain dumb diagnosis is a f****** wanker.

One thing about Mitch Clark is that the bloke has balls. Major balls. To go public with his mental health situation considering his sporting background takes major balls.

Therefore, if Mitch Clark stated he is well to resume his career, surely a bloke with the balls that he obviously possesses should be listened to?

Sheesh most people on here are absolute tools.

most.....??????...well i would definately put you in that catergory......if you are referring to me ...just say so...instead of skipping around...

and for what it's worth..i don't think mitch clarke has said anything of the sort.....

[SaintPav]

Drug related depressions can be some of the least likely to be recovered from as they can damage the actual structures of the brain relating to mood.

The most common forms of depression are the result of hormone imbalances which can come from a wide range of sources, some as simple as diet and exposure to natural sunlight. Remove the hormonal imbalances and you remove the symptoms, simple as that.

Nobody on here knows Clark's situation, but in general, depression can be cured in certain circumstances.

You also can't argue behind the old opinion argument when it comes to science. To paraphrase Neil Degrasse Tyson, the great thing about science is its true whether you believe it or not.

But then again, I did make a typo in my previous post so I guess anything I say is invalid.

Agreed. Any poster trying to make some bulls***, naive or plain dumb diagnosis is a f****** wanker.

One thing about Mitch Clark is that the bloke has balls. Major balls. To go public with his mental health situation considering his sporting background takes major balls.

Therefore, if Mitch Clark stated he is well to resume his career, surely a bloke with the balls that he obviously possesses should be listened to?

Sheesh most people on here are absolute tools.

I wouldn't normally recommend self diagnosis as the lack of objectivity can cloud both the causes of one's condition and the required course of treatment.

However in your case, I agree with your last point entirely. You are an absolute tool.

[The Redeemer]

Drug related depressions can be some of the least likely to be recovered from as they can damage the actual structures of the brain relating to mood.

The most common forms of depression are the result of hormone imbalances which can come from a wide range of sources, some as simple as diet and exposure to natural sunlight. Remove the hormonal imbalances and you remove the symptoms, simple as that.

Nobody on here knows Clark's situation, but in general, depression can be cured in certain circumstances.

You also can't argue behind the old opinion argument when it comes to science. To paraphrase Neil Degrasse Tyson, the great thing about science is its true whether you believe it or not.

But then again, I did make a typo in my previous post so I guess anything I say is invalid.

Agreed. Any poster trying to make some bulls***, naive or plain dumb diagnosis is a f****** wanker.

One thing about Mitch Clark is that the bloke has balls. Major balls. To go public with his mental health situation considering his sporting background takes major balls.

Therefore, if Mitch Clark stated he is well to resume his career, surely a bloke with the balls that he obviously possesses should be listened to?

Sheesh most people on here are absolute tools.

I wouldn't normally recommend self diagnosis as the lack of objectivity can cloud both the causes of one's condition and the required course of treatment.

However in your case, I agree with your last point entirely. You are an absolute tool.

Tell me more about how I do not care.

[FQF]

An update:

Clarke is warming to the idea of a return to AFL. He is actually still on Melbourne's list so they have the ability to trade him if he doesn't want to play for them.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-pre ... um=twitter

[Con Gorozidis]

An update:

Clarke is warming to the idea of a return to AFL. He is actually still on Melbourne's list so they have the ability to trade him if he doesn't want to play for them.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-pre ... um=twitter

id love him if he wants to play for us.
Melbourne still hold the cards.
Not sure where his family are but ud think freo would do it for pick 14.

[FQF]

An update:

Clarke is warming to the idea of a return to AFL. He is actually still on Melbourne's list so they have the ability to trade him if he doesn't want to play for them.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-pre ... um=twitter

id love him if he wants to play for us.
Melbourne still hold the cards.
Not sure where his family are but ud think freo would do it for pick 14.

He seems to still be living in Melbourne. But agree, we aren't the front runners.