emma quale on the draft

[Old Mate]

I don't think Petracca will be in the top 3 but I think he will be a fantatsic ball winning/goal kicking mid. Fantatsic power and acceleration over the first 15 and he just keeps on taking his game to the next level. Going to be a gun. His basketabll background is very evident.

McCartin has better hands than Boyd, Hogan etc and he splits packs/hurts people that get in his way. Given the poor form of other so called potential no 1 picks, he looks certain now to go number 1.

This is a very light on draft given what we have seen at the champs. Probably been spoilt over past 2 years given depth, not this year though.

I think recruiters will be looking at all the 19 year olds playing in the VFL. I expect a record number of VFL players to be drafted this year.

Wouldn't that be great if GWS added McCartin to Boyd, Patton, Cameron etc. bloody hell

I am concerned that GWS may try and swap Patton to us for our first pick. This is not what we need as Patton for me is a long way behind McCartin and Boyd.

You don't rate Patton? Obvious concerns over his ACL and degenerative knee but I hold hope that he can live up to his potential. His knee issue is similar to what Riewoldt has had to deal with his whole career and has still been one of the best players for near on a decade.

[plugger66]

GWS work in draft and trade commodities. They select best avail and will continue to do so. They have top talent across the lines, surplus in all areas; key forwards, backs, mids. They don't have positional needs that dictate who they draft. If McCartin is best avail they'll take him. Have I said how much I hate GWS?

So are they are club thats wants to win games or just keep trading for lower picks. They need experienced very good footballers not guys that are traded before they get anywhere near their peak. I would be surprised if they dont try and trade their pick this year or if a potential top 5 picks wants to leave I think they are nearly certain to go for a proven player if they can.

What they need and what they want are two separate issues. It's well known GWS have had issues attracting very good footballers since their inception when they poached Scully, Palmer and Ward. Gubby Allan said no clubs would deal players for the mini draft picks they had access to as well as declaring pick 1 (Tom Boyd) was on the table; 1. if a club was willing to part with that player; and 2. the player was willing to move to GWS. History tells us no deal for players could be struck hence why draft picks were the currency.

I think they have as much hope as any club to get players. They got Shaw and Mumford last season. it would seem they werent very keen early on to get the older types like GC did but it seems they have changed their mind based on the players they got last year. They will get one or two. getting rid of Patton for a pick means they may get 2 stars but againt hat could be 4 or 5 years away from seeing if the guys an play. Pick one or two will get a very good 23 year old.

[Old Mate]

Plugger, I think you need to look at the circumstances surrounding their pickups. Mummy and Lamb were forced out of Syds cap from Buddy. Shaw was not wanted at C'wood and want to Syd for family reasons to be close to Rhys.

GWS could change their strategy to get old players as you suggest but that would mean they've been fibbing to the public by saying that's been their strategy all along.

[plugger66]

Plugger, I think you need to look at the circumstances surrounding their pickups. Mummy and Lamb were forced out of Syds cap from Buddy. Shaw was not wanted at C'wood and want to Syd for family reasons to be close to Rhys.

GWS could change their strategy to get old players as you suggest but that would mean they've been fibbing to the public by saying that's been their strategy all along.

They said it was their stratergy at the start, im unsure they said they would keep doing that and going by what they got last season, whatever the circumstances, then it seems they have changed their mind at least a little. By the way I wouldnt believe many things in any club says. I also think 5 wins in 2 and half years suggests that no matter how good the young kids are they need experience.

[Con Gorozidis]

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-06-11/ ... ound-three

[Spinner]

IMO need to go for a mid with our early picks

I'd prefer to take on the Syd model of trading for our key position forwards from now on... Unless they are ridiculously clear standouts

Post of the thread - totally agree

No stand out talls get the best mid quality we can with FOOTSKILLS and trade later for the gun fwds (our turn to rip the guts out of another club)

Surely with the draft packed with quality talks we invest in one given we'll have an early pick.

These are the hardest to come by. Mids are always available. We need a player that we can build a team around. A CHF. Need to pull the trigger sometime.

[Con Gorozidis]

Surely with the draft packed with quality talks we invest in one given we'll have an early pick.

These are the hardest to come by. Mids are always available. We need a player that we can build a team around. A CHF. Need to pull the trigger sometime.

Agree in theory but is this years draft really 'packed with quality' talls? I know this was the conventional wisdom before the season started - but it hasnt been shown yet.

No stand-out talls so far.

[gringo]

Plugger, I think you need to look at the circumstances surrounding their pickups. Mummy and Lamb were forced out of Syds cap from Buddy. Shaw was not wanted at C'wood and want to Syd for family reasons to be close to Rhys.

GWS could change their strategy to get old players as you suggest but that would mean they've been fibbing to the public by saying that's been their strategy all along.

They said it was their stratergy at the start, im unsure they said they would keep doing that and going by what they got last season, whatever the circumstances, then it seems they have changed their mind at least a little. By the way I wouldnt believe many things in any club says. I also think 5 wins in 2 and half years suggests that no matter how good the young kids are they need experience.

I think the recruiting and list management will be getting pressured but they will probably point to the improvement that has come from GCS as evidence that old guys don't help. The improvement has come from the guys in their 3rd or 4th year have jelled by playing together. They will know that moment is close so would be strange to all of a sudden start stacking. They will lose guys like O Rourke, Corr and Jaksche for not much if they don't play them so trading while they are on the front foot might be better and extend the length of their rein.

[plugger66]

Plugger, I think you need to look at the circumstances surrounding their pickups. Mummy and Lamb were forced out of Syds cap from Buddy. Shaw was not wanted at C'wood and want to Syd for family reasons to be close to Rhys.

GWS could change their strategy to get old players as you suggest but that would mean they've been fibbing to the public by saying that's been their strategy all along.

They said it was their stratergy at the start, im unsure they said they would keep doing that and going by what they got last season, whatever the circumstances, then it seems they have changed their mind at least a little. By the way I wouldnt believe many things in any club says. I also think 5 wins in 2 and half years suggests that no matter how good the young kids are they need experience.

I think the recruiting and list management will be getting pressured but they will probably point to the improvement that has come from GCS as evidence that old guys don't help. The improvement has come from the guys in their 3rd or 4th year have jelled by playing together. They will know that moment is close so would be strange to all of a sudden start stacking. They will lose guys like O Rourke, Corr and Jaksche for not much if they don't play them so trading while they are on the front foot might be better and extend the length of their rein.

If they are looking at GC then they will say older guys do help. I dont get what you are saying at all in regards to that. Yep and trading guys that dont play should ensure experienced players get to the club. You cant just keep building. You need to start winning.

[gringo]

I think the recruiting and list management will be getting pressured but they will probably point to the improvement that has come from GCS as evidence that old guys don't help. The improvement has come from the guys in their 3rd or 4th year have jelled by playing together. They will know that moment is close so would be strange to all of a sudden start stacking. They will lose guys like O Rourke, Corr and Jaksche for not much if they don't play them so trading while they are on the front foot might be better and extend the length of their rein.

If they are looking at GC then they will say older guys do help. I dont get what you are saying at all in regards to that. Yep and trading guys that dont play should ensure experienced players get to the club. You cant just keep building. You need to start winning.

What I'm saying is that the Gold Coast started with lots of experienced players that didn't help win games. Their improvement has come from the kids getting games into them. The old guys from other clubs will not be as good as the kids they already have stockpiled. Plenty can't get game time as it is. They would be better to hold tough and keep playing youth until they all get to around 50 games. Apart from Ablett and Harbrow the rest of the GC seniors are all not playing or add nothing they don't already have.

[Wrote for Luck]

Stating the obvious perhaps but we need a power forward not a half way this way that way. I've had enough McEvoy's and Stanley's to last me ten years.

[plugger66]

I think the recruiting and list management will be getting pressured but they will probably point to the improvement that has come from GCS as evidence that old guys don't help. The improvement has come from the guys in their 3rd or 4th year have jelled by playing together. They will know that moment is close so would be strange to all of a sudden start stacking. They will lose guys like O Rourke, Corr and Jaksche for not much if they don't play them so trading while they are on the front foot might be better and extend the length of their rein.

If they are looking at GC then they will say older guys do help. I dont get what you are saying at all in regards to that. Yep and trading guys that dont play should ensure experienced players get to the club. You cant just keep building. You need to start winning.

What I'm saying is that the Gold Coast started with lots of experienced players that didn't help win games. Their improvement has come from the kids getting games into them. The old guys from other clubs will not be as good as the kids they already have stockpiled. Plenty can't get game time as it is. They would be better to hold tough and keep playing youth until they all get to around 50 games. Apart from Ablett and Harbrow the rest of the GC seniors are all not playing or add nothing they don't already have.

Thats fine then explain why GWS arent improving.

[gringo]

I think the recruiting and list management will be getting pressured but they will probably point to the improvement that has come from GCS as evidence that old guys don't help. The improvement has come from the guys in their 3rd or 4th year have jelled by playing together. They will know that moment is close so would be strange to all of a sudden start stacking. They will lose guys like O Rourke, Corr and Jaksche for not much if they don't play them so trading while they are on the front foot might be better and extend the length of their rein.

If they are looking at GC then they will say older guys do help. I dont get what you are saying at all in regards to that. Yep and trading guys that dont play should ensure experienced players get to the club. You cant just keep building. You need to start winning.

What I'm saying is that the Gold Coast started with lots of experienced players that didn't help win games. Their improvement has come from the kids getting games into them. The old guys from other clubs will not be as good as the kids they already have stockpiled. Plenty can't get game time as it is. They would be better to hold tough and keep playing youth until they all get to around 50 games. Apart from Ablett and Harbrow the rest of the GC seniors are all not playing or add nothing they don't already have.

Thats fine then explain why GWS arent improving.

Goldy weren't that good last year. They are a couple of years behind them. They have no fans or sponsors that expect anything so can just bide time developing youth.

[plugger66]

I think the recruiting and list management will be getting pressured but they will probably point to the improvement that has come from GCS as evidence that old guys don't help. The improvement has come from the guys in their 3rd or 4th year have jelled by playing together. They will know that moment is close so would be strange to all of a sudden start stacking. They will lose guys like O Rourke, Corr and Jaksche for not much if they don't play them so trading while they are on the front foot might be better and extend the length of their rein.

If they are looking at GC then they will say older guys do help. I dont get what you are saying at all in regards to that. Yep and trading guys that dont play should ensure experienced players get to the club. You cant just keep building. You need to start winning.

What I'm saying is that the Gold Coast started with lots of experienced players that didn't help win games. Their improvement has come from the kids getting games into them. The old guys from other clubs will not be as good as the kids they already have stockpiled. Plenty can't get game time as it is. They would be better to hold tough and keep playing youth until they all get to around 50 games. Apart from Ablett and Harbrow the rest of the GC seniors are all not playing or add nothing they don't already have.

Thats fine then explain why GWS arent improving.

Goldy weren't that good last year. They are a couple of years behind them. They have no fans or sponsors that expect anything so can just bide time developing youth.

They are one year behind and GC were 10 times better than GWS are this year. Dont get the fans and sponsors thing but again more reason why im pretty much sure they will try and get experienced players at the end of the season.

[MrCordz]

For the record - I know Tom Lamb's family very well _ grew up with his Dad from 4 years of age - know his mum - daughter of Ian Cooper - not the right fit for St.Kilda - but to a stronger club I hope he kills it!

why not...??

Because he's a loose unit. Needs to be at a club with a strong culture and boundaries. From what I've heard anyway. I'm not sure setting fire to dwarfs would be good for his development.

Pretty close don't know Tom but family on both sides - very loose.

[Con Gorozidis]

Pretty close don't know Tom but family on both sides - very loose.

Christmas Day sounds like it would be fun ?

[Con Gorozidis]

Realistically we need another 4 good players/low picks.

Look at the Tiges - Deledio, Cotchin and Martin are all high picks and all good players.
But where is that getting them? You cant build a side on only 3 good players.
You need 12-16.