May not be popular

[plugger66]

Do you enjoy the fact great players have left our club and gone to other clubs and enjoyed real success.

Is it not a pity, in fact for me gut wrenching to see saints champions singing other songs whilst we are at rock bottom.

Selling your soul for a promise is a huge risk, IMO some seem to think because we are at rock bottom, there is an inevitability that we will rise. In the current climate, it's no guarantee.

History says it hasen't worked in the past, and in fact most champions and coaches we have lost have went on to better things... That IMO is a shame.

You cannot deny we have had more champions go elsewhere, than any other...

I dont even understand even slightly what this has to do with the thread apart from again having a go at our great club and again before you jump on that it can be a great club without being successful. That is called passion if you think that way.

[bigred]

Fact 8. No matter what happens, we are not Richmond.

[plugger66]

Fact 8. No matter what happens, we are not Richmond.

Thats interesting but being a 52 year old suggests I wish we had Richmonds record since I can really remember footy. I take it you are at least 15 years younger than me.

[SaintPav]

Isn't trying to influence the mods an offence in itself? May be up for a ban yourself.........

Well aren't you trying to influence the mods?

How's calling someone on a disgusting post a potential offence (sic)?

And why can you report posters then?

You obviously think it's ok to call a player a weak C***.

Possibly the dumbest post I have ever read on here.

Maybe you should devote some time to reading comprehension? I was asking a question, not trying to influence anyone. Maybe pull your head in.....

Yeah, right.

You were making a statement but defend the indefensible why don't you.

Time for you to learn some common sense (?)

What a waste of time. (?)

[Dis Believer]

Isn't trying to influence the mods an offence in itself? May be up for a ban yourself.........

Well aren't you trying to influence the mods?

How's calling someone on a disgusting post a potential offence (sic)?

And why can you report posters then?

You obviously think it's ok to call a player a weak C***.

Possibly the dumbest post I have ever read on here.

Maybe you should devote some time to reading comprehension? I was asking a question, not trying to influence anyone. Maybe pull your head in.....

Yeah, right.

You were making a statement but defend the indefensible why don't you.

Time for you to learn some common sense (?)

What a waste of time. (?)

OK, to make REAL simple for you. I didn't comment on what I thought was OK or not. I commented on your actions. As I understand things there is a report button on each post, if you have an issue with a post, you press the button and make a report, you don't create posts positing what Mods should or should not do. Is that clear enough? As for the comment made about one of our players, I think it's disgraceful and am surprised it didn't automatically get a warning from a mod for the language used.

Is all that clear enough? Lucky we are under new rules because in the old days I would have called you a flog, but I won't do that these days.....

[dragit]

Lucky we are under new rules because in the old days I would have called you a flog, but I won't do that these days.....

[SaintPav]

you don't create posts positing what Mods should or should not do. Is that clear enough?

Says who?

What a weird thing to write.

As for the comment made about one of our players, I think it's disgraceful and am surprised it didn't automatically get a warning from a mod for the language used.

Yeah, I could tell that you were outraged with your focus on what I wrote.

Is all that clear enough? Lucky we are under new rules because in the old days I would have called you a flog, but I won't do that these days.....

and I would have called you stupid.

[Playon]

The game day thread is almost comical. The big angry mob, Who's up for a lynching?

Shoot the leaders and the rest'll go runnin.

Seriously some of you should come down to open training days and say G'day to the players.

[gringo]

The game day thread is almost comical. The big angry mob, Who's up for a lynching?

Shoot the leaders and the rest'll go runnin.

Seriously some of you should come down to open training days and say G'day to the players.

I agree. I went to that training session at the JO and getting to hear the players speak and where they are at and what they are trying to achieve personalises them and makes you see them as real people trying their hardest and with different personalities. Guys like Billings don't look old enough to drive a car, these guys are in a mens league with kid sized bodies. Anyone that calls them soft should go and sit on the fence at the VFL and hear the hits they take.

[happy feet]

Nobody like to see our team lose by big margins but unfortunately you had better get used to it. The drafting of talent may have a lot to do with it, but the lack of financial resources available to the Club is an issue. Look at how Collingwood has been able to keep Luke Ball match fit. They certainly have been better at that than we were. This is probably due to the amount they have to spend in state of the art player preparation. The AFL is becoming a dichotomy of those that have and those that don't and we are in the latter category. When we drafted Roo, Kosi, Goddard et al, like many others, I thought this is now our time. We came so close. Now with the state of the game, at age 51 I honestly don't think I will see a Premiership win in my lifetime, and as I was only 3 in 1966, don't remember that one. I think we have to really seriously consider that our Club may fold, and I ave no confidence in the AFL in keeping the poorer clubs going. For what it's worth, I despair that our great game has changed so much and that in my opinion, has morphed from sport to mere entertainment. Ah, such is life.

Seriously happy feet, that statement above is most probably the most stupid statement I have ever seen on Saintsational. Please pull your head in for crying out loud. Football is so predictable now it's not funny......
Fact 1. The Saints will be bottom 4 for another 2 maybe 3 years.
Fact 2. In 5 years time we will either be playing finals again or be on the cusp.
Fact 3. From 2020, our premiership window will be wide open.
Fact 4. Read my signature.
Fact 5. I am 51 as well.
Fact 6. I was 3 in 1966 as well.
Fact 7. Not all people become wiser with age.

I was going to let this one "go through to the keeper" but thought better of it.

Well City West, if footy is so predictable, state the year we will win our next premiership. In 5 years time it will be 53 years since our last premiership, unless a miracle happens in the interim. Just what do you see changing in the AFL in that time that will see us on a level playing field with the big clubs. That was the gist of my post but you're too dense to realise it. Fact 1, 2 and 3 are not facts, they are your opinion, which on this forum do not count for much. As for fact 7, your puerile dig is just evidence that you have a lack of any intellect whatsover. Have a nice day.

[evo]

I am 66 and I expect to see another premiership before I go to hell....

[8856brother]

My Grandpa once told me he remembered my Great Great Grand Poppy once saying, that he thought after the disappointment of 1913 he stayed strong by thinking after waiting 30 odd years we would eventually have our moment. Worms had been feasting on him for 30 years when it finally happened.

[citywest]

A few things have already changed happy feet. The Father son rule has been fixed so we will not get a Geelong scenario again. Sydney's COLA is being removed. Now that is a great start I would have thought. But more importantly, the draft is no longer compromised and is now the same for all teams. As I state in my signature, we are at the year 2000 again. Over the next 3 years (if we get our recruiting and trading right), we will set ourselves up for another decade of challenging for a flag. Granted, the next 3 years are going to be painful but mark my words come 2020 we will be right at the top again. And by my calculations, you and I (if we are still here) will still not be 60 yet. We will get that flag before we say goodbye to this world and my prediction is 2022. Apologies if my previous post offended you.

[happy feet]

City West, I sincerely hope you are right, and I apologise for my over the top response. I can remember thinking a few years back, this is our time, we're going to get the big one, but not to be.

[Old Mate]

City West does make a good point....The draft is no longer compromised (well hardly, anyway). Now is a good time to re-build given GC and GWS will hog flags the next 5-10 years. We can pounce on the backend of that timeframe while middle clubs like Richmond and Carlton continue being not bottom, not top, but middle of the road teams.

[bigred]

Is it really 2000 all over Citywest.

That was one terrible year. Terrible, terrible year for the club.

Terrible.



I mean, it was freakin terrible.

The best bit about it was getting loaded at the Cougar Bar when they had those young ladies offering table service. And you could smoke in there.....

That was the only good bit.

Two wins and a draw in 2000....Means we have a long year ahead.

[st.byron]

As for the comment made about one of our players, I think it's disgraceful and am surprised it didn't automatically get a warning from a mod for the language used.

The language used is covered by the swear filter, so no breach there.

As for abusing our players, the point of the third party abuse thread that's now in the admin forum was to find out people's attitudes to abuse of non-forum members. The consensus from that thread is that people don't like seeing our players being abused, but those who do it get pulled up pretty quickly by other posters. Also, moderating third party abuse would be a total can of worms, unworkable really. So the status quo remains in the rules re third party abuse. So long as the swearing and offensive behaviour lines aren't crossed, then non-forum members are fair game.

[Rosco]

Pretty sure the post they are referring to, where the c-bomb was dropped, was quoting what was said in the match thread...so maybe look there, if anywhere, for offensive behaviour.

Btw


Plugger is right, saints are down, but we will be back...this isn't the 80s, there was no draft back then

[Dis Believer]

As for the comment made about one of our players, I think it's disgraceful and am surprised it didn't automatically get a warning from a mod for the language used.

The language used is covered by the swear filter, so no breach there.

As for abusing our players, the point of the third party abuse thread that's now in the admin forum was to find out people's attitudes to abuse of non-forum members. The consensus from that thread is that people don't like seeing our players being abused, but those who do it get pulled up pretty quickly by other posters. Also, moderating third party abuse would be a total can of worms, unworkable really. So the status quo remains in the rules re third party abuse. So long as the swearing and offensive behaviour lines aren't crossed, then non-forum members are fair game.

That makes no sense - so then swearing is now fine because of the filter ?? It wasn't that long ago the head mod was pulling people up and debating the use of online/text abbreviations like "FFS"... Which is it, swearing, or even abbreviations implying swearing are forbidden in this "all ages" forum, or swearing up to and including the "c bomb" are not a breach because "the filta got it".....?

[st.byron]

That makes no sense - so then swearing is now fine because of the filter ?? It wasn't that long ago the head mod was pulling people up and debating the use of online/text abbreviations like "FFS"... Which is it, swearing, or even abbreviations implying swearing are forbidden in this "all ages" forum, or swearing up to and including the "c bomb" are not a breach because "the filta got it".....?

Here's the relevant section of the rules :

"Swearing covered by the swear filter will be published as f***, s***, c***, c**k etc.
However attempts to circumvent the swear filter with terms with alternate spellings , or any usage of those words within another word OR an alteration of the swear word that may constitute the reader to understand that it is a swear word, will be deemed as a breach of rules for swearing and a Saintsational warning will be issued.

The community has been consulted and the word "dick" and "shyte" and the acronyms WTF, FFS, BS etc have been found to be acceptable and as such shall be deemed permissible in usage EXCEPT if used in an abusive or derogatory manner towards a poster or posters. A Saintsational warning may be issued in these cases."

[plugger66]

That makes no sense - so then swearing is now fine because of the filter ?? It wasn't that long ago the head mod was pulling people up and debating the use of online/text abbreviations like "FFS"... Which is it, swearing, or even abbreviations implying swearing are forbidden in this "all ages" forum, or swearing up to and including the "c bomb" are not a breach because "the filta got it".....?

Here's the relevant section of the rules :

"Swearing covered by the swear filter will be published as f***, s***, c***, c**k etc.
However attempts to circumvent the swear filter with terms with alternate spellings , or any usage of those words within another word OR an alteration of the swear word that may constitute the reader to understand that it is a swear word, will be deemed as a breach of rules for swearing and a Saintsational warning will be issued.

The community has been consulted and the word "dick" and "shyte" and the acronyms WTF, FFS, BS etc have been found to be acceptable and as such shall be deemed permissible in usage EXCEPT if used in an abusive or derogatory manner towards a poster or posters. A Saintsational warning may be issued in these cases."

This is complete crap IMO. So i can have a heading saying Stanley is weak C. Wont he use the word but you know what I mean. And then procede to swear every second word as long as i dont wite Sh...e and again you know what I mean. Surely the C word is out of bounds whatever filter we have especially when talking about a player from the club we all follow. If comeone then said to that person who wrote that about OUR player that he was an idiot he would get the warning and not the person who started a disgusting thread. It makes no sense on a Saints forum that a person like is protected but the person who plays for OUR club isnt.

By the way then person in question didnt write Stanley is a weak C but did want the players to ask him that. nearly as bad and not what is needed on OUR Saints forum.

[Cairnsman]

That makes no sense - so then swearing is now fine because of the filter ?? It wasn't that long ago the head mod was pulling people up and debating the use of online/text abbreviations like "FFS"... Which is it, swearing, or even abbreviations implying swearing are forbidden in this "all ages" forum, or swearing up to and including the "c bomb" are not a breach because "the filta got it".....?

Here's the relevant section of the rules :

"Swearing covered by the swear filter will be published as f***, s***, c***, c**k etc.
However attempts to circumvent the swear filter with terms with alternate spellings , or any usage of those words within another word OR an alteration of the swear word that may constitute the reader to understand that it is a swear word, will be deemed as a breach of rules for swearing and a Saintsational warning will be issued.

The community has been consulted and the word "dick" and "shyte" and the acronyms WTF, FFS, BS etc have been found to be acceptable and as such shall be deemed permissible in usage EXCEPT if used in an abusive or derogatory manner towards a poster or posters. A Saintsational warning may be issued in these cases."

This is complete crap IMO. So i can have a heading saying Stanley is weak C. Wont he use the word but you know what I mean. And then procede to swear every second word as long as i dont wite Sh...e and again you know what I mean. Surely the C word is out of bounds whatever filter we have especially when talking about a player from the club we all follow. If comeone then said to that person who wrote that about OUR player that he was an idiot he would get the warning and not the person who started a disgusting thread. It makes no sense on a Saints forum that a person like is protected but the person who plays for OUR club isnt.

By the way then person in question didnt write Stanley is a weak C but did want the players to ask him that. nearly as bad and not what is needed on OUR Saints forum.

What has been confirmed to me recently by the moderators is that the rules have grey areas and how those grey areas are policed can come down to how a moderator is feeling on the day.

An example is the offensive behavior rule, very subjective on how it is applied.

I would be certain that if the "silent majority" complained about the C word being used it would be outlawed immediately.

[3rd generation saint]

Do you enjoy the fact great players have left our club and gone to other clubs and enjoyed real success.

Is it not a pity, in fact for me gut wrenching to see saints champions singing other songs whilst we are at rock bottom.

Selling your soul for a promise is a huge risk, IMO some seem to think because we are at rock bottom, there is an inevitability that we will rise. In the current climate, it's no guarantee.

History says it hasen't worked in the past, and in fact most champions and coaches we have lost have went on to better things... That IMO is a shame.

You cannot deny we have had more champions go elsewhere, than any other...

All Goddard, Dal Santo, and McEvoy would have done for the club is reduce the losing margin we have been experiencing lately. They would have also taken up salary cap room and inhibit our ability to recruit.
We wouldn't have got Dunstan, who I believe is second in line for the captaincy, right after the whoever gets it after Roo.
Losing players to other clubs is going to happen through trade or free agency, what is important is who get in return, or who we can pick up.
Right now, we don't want our list clogged up with 30 plus year old players. They don't lead to the future, the under 25 year olds do.
Our recruiting over the next few years is going to target those players, and give us a window that will last over half a decade, not a year or two, that was Ross Lyon's problem as Fremantle will find out in a year or two.

[Spinner]

Do you enjoy the fact great players have left our club and gone to other clubs and enjoyed real success.

Is it not a pity, in fact for me gut wrenching to see saints champions singing other songs whilst we are at rock bottom.

Selling your soul for a promise is a huge risk, IMO some seem to think because we are at rock bottom, there is an inevitability that we will rise. In the current climate, it's no guarantee.

History says it hasen't worked in the past, and in fact most champions and coaches we have lost have went on to better things... That IMO is a shame.

You cannot deny we have had more champions go elsewhere, than any other...

All Goddard, Dal Santo, and McEvoy would have done for the club is reduce the losing margin we have been experiencing lately. They would have also taken up salary cap room and inhibit our ability to recruit.
We wouldn't have got Dunstan, who I believe is second in line for the captaincy, right after the whoever gets it after Roo.
Losing players to other clubs is going to happen through trade or free agency, what is important is who get in return, or who we can pick up.
Right now, we don't want our list clogged up with 30 plus year old players. They don't lead to the future, the under 25 year olds do.
Our recruiting over the next few years is going to target those players, and give us a window that will last over half a decade, not a year or two, that was Ross Lyon's problem as Fremantle will find out in a year or two.

If Goddard didn't leave we would have never have got Hickey!