VFL Rd 6 Sandringham Vs Footscray

[BigMart]

Savage is not good

Sorry to say
Spencer is absolutely soft and lazy
What has being 19 got to do with being those things

I can't say I remember any of our draftees that have made it, being either of those two things

Do you think the opposite qualities com with age?

[bergholt]

Sorry to say
Spencer is absolutely soft and lazy
What has being 19 got to do with being those things

Someone like Jack Watts, Jay Schulz or even Tom Hawkins could have been considered those things early in their career. All of them have improved a bit since. Sometimes mental immaturity manifests in physical ways.

[saintsRrising]

Sorry to say
Spencer is absolutely soft and lazy
What has being 19 got to do with being those things

Someone like Jack Watts, Jay Schulz or even Tom Hawkins could have been considered those things early in their career. All of them have improved a bit since. Sometimes mental immaturity manifests in physical ways.

It also happens as these guys often dominate when playing against other kids...but get found out when they also have to play against men. They either mature both mentally and physically...or they fall by the wayside.

One also has to remember that MOST players do not actually make it in the AFL. Lack of application is often a reason...as can be lack of talent. Players like Geary can play many games due to how well they apply themselves.

Some players can apply themselves from Day One...others can take a season or two...and some never.

[Dr Spaceman]

I don't know if Savage is going to make it or not.

But looking at him I reckon he's probably struggling a bit with the whole team swap thing. One minute you're playing in Finals for the best team in the League and the next he's part of a rebuilding side bottoming out. Maybe he feels lost. Maybe he thinks his background as a Hawk guarantees his position in our best 22. The whole NZ promo thing of course would only help make you think you're selection is a certainty.

Lost? Confused? Over estimating his ability? No idea.

I think he has a lot to offer but he just needs to stay at Sandy and consistently play well and with enthusiasm and intensity.

And to fully earn any call up.

[gringo]

I don't know if Savage is going to make it or not.

But looking at him I reckon he's probably struggling a bit with the whole team swap thing. One minute you're playing in Finals for the best team in the League and the next he's part of a rebuilding side bottoming out. Maybe he feels lost. Maybe he thinks his background as a Hawk guarantees his position in our best 22. The whole NZ promo thing of course would only help make you think you're selection is a certainty.

Lost? Confused? Over estimating his ability? No idea.

I think he has a lot to offer but he just needs to stay at Sandy and consistently play well and with enthusiasm and intensity.

And to fully earn any call up.

Those couple of last quarter runs gave some hope. The line breaking was Harves like.

[BigMart]

Please don't mention Savage and Harves in the same sentence, post, thread... Especially when making a comparison..

Savage
Not much chop

[Con Gorozidis]

You are very dismissive BM!
If someone hasnt won a Brownlow by 21 - youd axe them.
You would have axed Tom Hawkins at age 21, Sent Jobe Watson to the knackery and sent Jack Steven to the Hamden League.
But I do agree we have to go on actual form not some imagined fantasy of what Savage 'might be'. When you are a midfielder and 23 and played 63 games - if you are going to be any good - then now is the time to show it. This just might be his full abilities.

[spert]

I reckon it might take most of this season for Savage to settle in- he's got talent but he didn't come to us as a ready made A Grader who is going to step in and win matches.

[stkildathunda]

STATS!

Adam Cockie 26 disposals, 3 marks, 6 tackles, 3 inside 50
Dylan Roberton 21 disposals, 3 marks, 1 tackle, 1 inside 50, 7 rebound 50′s
Kenny Ong 19 disposals, 4 marks, 5 tackles, 2 rebound 50′s
Shane Savage 17 disposals, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 4 inside 50′s, 5 rebound 50′s
Seb Ross 17 disposals, 5 marks, 6 tackles, 3 inside 50′s, 3 rebound 50′s
Daniel Markworth 14 disposals, 4 marks, 3 tackles, 2 hitouts, 4 inside 50′s, 3 rebound 50′s
Sam Dunell 14 disposals, 9 marks, 1 tackle, 3 inside 50′s
Myke Cook 14 disposals, 2 marks, 7 tackles, 2 inside 50′s, 2 rebound 50′s

All the stats can be found here - http://www.truezebras.com/round-6-match ... ss-zebras/

[Con Gorozidis]

I reckon it might take most of this season for Savage to settle in- he's got talent but he didn't come to us as a ready made A Grader who is going to step in and win matches.

No one wants/expect him to be a match winner. But just getting a kick would be a nice to place to start and he did that yesterday so that's a plus.

[Con Gorozidis]

STATS!

Adam Cockie 26 disposals, 3 marks, 6 tackles, 3 inside 50
Dylan Roberton 21 disposals, 3 marks, 1 tackle, 1 inside 50, 7 rebound 50′s
Kenny Ong 19 disposals, 4 marks, 5 tackles, 2 rebound 50′s
Shane Savage 17 disposals, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 4 inside 50′s, 5 rebound 50′s
Seb Ross 17 disposals, 5 marks, 6 tackles, 3 inside 50′s, 3 rebound 50′s
Daniel Markworth 14 disposals, 4 marks, 3 tackles, 2 hitouts, 4 inside 50′s, 3 rebound 50′s
Sam Dunell 14 disposals, 9 marks, 1 tackle, 3 inside 50′s
Myke Cook 14 disposals, 2 marks, 7 tackles, 2 inside 50′s, 2 rebound 50′s

All the stats can be found here - http://www.truezebras.com/round-6-match ... ss-zebras/

Thanks again for your work thunda.

How was Dylan's game ? Didn't get a mention yesterday but his stats look good?

[stkildathunda]

STATS!

Adam Cockie 26 disposals, 3 marks, 6 tackles, 3 inside 50
Dylan Roberton 21 disposals, 3 marks, 1 tackle, 1 inside 50, 7 rebound 50′s
Kenny Ong 19 disposals, 4 marks, 5 tackles, 2 rebound 50′s
Shane Savage 17 disposals, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 4 inside 50′s, 5 rebound 50′s
Seb Ross 17 disposals, 5 marks, 6 tackles, 3 inside 50′s, 3 rebound 50′s
Daniel Markworth 14 disposals, 4 marks, 3 tackles, 2 hitouts, 4 inside 50′s, 3 rebound 50′s
Sam Dunell 14 disposals, 9 marks, 1 tackle, 3 inside 50′s
Myke Cook 14 disposals, 2 marks, 7 tackles, 2 inside 50′s, 2 rebound 50′s

All the stats can be found here - http://www.truezebras.com/round-6-match ... ss-zebras/

Thanks again for your work thunda.

How was Dylan's game ? Didn't get a mention yesterday but his stats look good?

I actually thought he was pretty good, seems to be copping fair bit criticism which dont quite understand. In team that performed quite atrociously thought he was one our better players

[stkildathunda]

Saints In VFL: Round 6 - http://www.truezebras.com/saints-in-vfl-round-6/

[BigMart]

Did I say someone has to win a Brownlow by 21?

I don't know many who do?!

Getting a kick in the VFL or at least trying to would be a great place to start as a full time football

[Con Gorozidis]

Did I say someone has to win a Brownlow by 21?

I don't know many who do?!

Getting a kick in the VFL or at least trying to would be a great place to start as a full time football

Just teasing.
But yep getting a kick in the VFL is the best place to start.

[saintbrat]

there is an article in hard copy version of the herald sun which includes comment on the current state of the alignment
but I can't find a link online

"Meanwhile Sandringham thanks St kilda Coach Alan Richardson and Head of Football Chris Pelchenfor playing a major role in the Zebras' strong start, when they won the forst ffour games and drew against premiers Box Hill.
General manager John Mennie siad Richardson me officials and pledged his committment to a stgrong affiliation.
"Now we can field the best Sandy team each week" Mennie said. " the attitude... is like chalk and cheese to what we experienced in the past.'

associated articles

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/bays ... 6913325135

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/west ... 6913518159

[Zed]

If the biggest question at the St Kilda footy club is who will replace Roo?

Then answer is probably not one of Maister, Lee or White.

We probably need to go back to the drawing board. Yes we will attack the draft but is there another Jay Schulz out there? Much maligned in a sh*t team but who is actually a gun player?

I reckon Adam Tomlinson at GWS is worth chasing. Will get lost in the hype around Boyd Patton Cameron.

[Con Gorozidis]

If the biggest question at the St Kilda footy club is who will replace Roo?

Then answer is probably not one of Maister, Lee or White.

We probably need to go back to the drawing board. Yes we will attack the draft but is there another Jay Schulz out there? Much maligned in a sh*t team but who is actually a gun player?

I reckon Adam Tomlinson at GWS is worth chasing. Will get lost in the hype around Boyd Patton Cameron.

I have some personal knowledge of Adam. I know he wants to return to Melbourne - but realistically most of the GWS guys are probably saying the same thing and he might change his mind now he is in the side - depends on how long they think they are away from finals as well. Hes a good solid player. I dont see him as a star but hes fairly reliable and can play the game. Big body on him and fit. Id definitely like him at the Saints - but not for a first round pick . Second rounder though. I see him as an inside mid. Reminds me a bit of Lenny (not as good though).

[Con Gorozidis]

there is an article in hard copy version of the herald sun which includes comment on the current state of the alignment
but I can't find a link online

"Meanwhile Sandringham thanks St kilda Coach Alan Richardson and Head of Football Chris Pelchenfor playing a major role in the Zebras' strong start, when they won the forst ffour games and drew against premiers Box Hill.
General manager John Mennie siad Richardson me officials and pledged his committment to a stgrong affiliation.
"Now we can field the best Sandy team each week" Mennie said. " the attitude... is like chalk and cheese to what we experienced in the past.'

associated articles

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/bays ... 6913325135

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/west ... 6913518159

Interesting. Implications is Watters wanted to micro-manage Sandy as well as everyone at the Saints. He is sounding more and more like Kevin Rudd !

[Spinner]

Markworth has had a couple of quieter games in a row now... Like him a lot but quiet nonetheless

[dragit]

Markworth has had a couple of quieter games in a row now... Like him a lot but quiet nonetheless

It's a bit of a worry… still coming back from a full knee though.

Also hard sometimes for an outside player if the ball just doesn't get to you.

[Spinner]

Markworth has had a couple of quieter games in a row now... Like him a lot but quiet nonetheless

It's a bit of a worry… still coming back from a full knee though.

Also hard sometimes for an outside player if the ball just doesn't get to you.

Yeah definitely. Massive coming back from an acl.

Hopefully can string a couple of solid games and make his debut soon.

[White Winmar]

Savage is not good

Sorry to say
Spencer is absolutely soft and lazy
What has being 19 got to do with being those things

I can't say I remember any of our draftees that have made it, being either of those two things

Do you think the opposite qualities com with age?

How many games have you seen him play? Not many, I'll bet, if any at all.

[bergholt]

Markworth has had a couple of quieter games in a row now... Like him a lot but quiet nonetheless

It looked like he was sent back to play in defence at times on Saturday. Hopefully good learning for the kid.

[saintbrat]

Minchi got goal of the day from the ABC commentary team