Brent Guerra on "Open Mike"

[Sainternist]

I don't think this is a personal attack on GT. Guerra is calling it in hindsight. With him playing in two premierships after his Saints tenure, he probably has a valid point. Although it's a shame he was unable to elaborate on how a "better" game plan would have brought us "a few" premierships.

2004 - Brisbane and Port Adelaide both had our number.

2005 - Not being able to combat Sydney's flood and press screwed us in the PF. Reckon we could have matched it with WCE in the GF.

Full credit to Guerra for revamping his career (and his hair) after being delisted.

It's all history now.

[older saint]

2004 -should never had an away prelim but lost momentum mid season.
2005- out coached in the whole game. Voss killed by okeefe max not on hall rather mick o, especially after McGuire whacked and in back foot

Agree the fast forward approach cost 2 GF appearances

[Sobraz]

GT was not the type to just sit back and let others make the decisions.

Didn't Patrick Smith nickname GT cornflakes because Malcolm "rat toss bag" Blight threw him out of the coaches box?

The nickname came about because he'd been tipped out of so many boxes. Blight, Pagan et. al.

I was under the impression it came about after a quote early on by GT when he said he "eats pressure for breakfast"... I guess your version makes just as much, if not more, sense.. Either way, interesting discussion.

[Teflon]

Rodney Eade coached the dogs ATT

He coached Sydney into a GF in 96

You missed the point on GT. I wasn't talking about which games (prelim vs GF)
It was the "Ross was unlucky to go down after leading and losing by a fickle bounce)
Well it was a piece of Wanganeen brilliance that defeated GT in 04 and A final quarter from hell... With NO fit players on the bench in 05 vs Sydney

What was unlucky for one is surely the same for the other... The difference both times was a single play

Or

Both times they couldn't get it done

Not one was unlucky, one couldn't get it done?!

Forget luck

Riddle me this batman

Which coach actually gave us a genuine chance of winning a flag????

Trick question...

[Teflon]

I believe that 05 and 09 were our best ever (in my lifetime) chances of winning the flag.

Ironically, I think poor coaching decisions on the day cost us the game in 09, whilst ack of personnel due to a massive injury list is what cost us the 05 prelim. I think the coaching that night was actually very good.

I say 'ironically', because I believe Lyon was the better coach overall.

Poor coaching??? Poor kicking by the players more like. When do they ever get in critisism?

7.7 to 7.1 at halftime, with at least three of those points gimme's.

Wet windy day, three or four up at half time and we win.

Correct Joffa

Sat there that day in qtr 1 and thought at some point missing easy goals hurts you (was right behind Schneider INSIDE the goal square he was..... missed)

Wed have strangled cats had we 4 up on them in the wet - it should never have come down to a "toe poke"

[Teflon]

Who did you hear that from?

If you were in the know , you'd understand GT was a far more empowering coach than Ross... Who is very much an authoritarian.

One of those individuals devised a leadership group with a rotating chair and put a lot of emphasis on ownership of performance. One told the group what he wanted.

One explained to me that JB was the recruiting guy, I leave all the decisions up to him. The other stated what type of player he wanted, which discards would benefit his team and stopped the draft once for the 2min recess to push fwd a player and got his wish

One drove his assistants extremely hard to drill his plan, one relied heavily on line coaches developing plans.

One listened to players... Sometimes over a beer, one told players in his office

Eg
A difference of opinion with a senior player with one almost ended up in a barney, after a conversation over a few beers with them... But got resolved and moved fwd
The other had a player in his office and just told him.l. Give me one reason why I should pick you next week?

I don't suggest any of those processes are right or wrong

But GT was far more inclusive (perhaps because he needed more assistance, and used his assistants)
Ross 'the boss' was clearly that... His way or as he took... The highway

One got us into multiple GFs
The other did not

The list goes on.....

GT had to be friends with em FFS he had no tactics but is smart enough to know he was harder to move in if he had the players

Lyon BUILT a game plan and implemented - far harder to do than "delegate" when you have no clue

Honestly - ex coaches and players are saying he had no game plan and STILL the SS "experts" dismiss them..... go figure

For the record the ex Assistant I spoke to directly was SACKED by Lyon and still said Thomas was bad for our club??????

[samoht]

If Guerra wasn't a passenger in the finals - we would have won a premierships under GT.
A fit and available Hamill would have helped, too - but that's another story.

GT put his trust in Guerra ( a little too much, perhaps), and Guerra didn't deliver.

[Furphy]

"A few premierships" in two seasons would be like putting five aces on the table...

[stinger]

If Guerra wasn't a passenger in the finals - we would have won a premierships under GT.
A fit and available Hamill would have helped, too - but that's another story.

GT put his trust in Guerra ( a little too much, perhaps), and Guerra didn't deliver.

yep...a sook and a sniper.....