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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

Post: # 1423663Post dragit »

Johnny Member wrote:At the risk of being unpopular....

....rules are rules.


He took a banned substance. And has admitted to taking on many occasions.

So simply, that's 2 years. End of story.



As for Essendon, one can only assume that due to the greyness of the whole situation (ie. no hard evidence) it will take longer. But I'd be very, very surprised if they don't all get notices also.

As we know, there are three issues with the Essendon thing...

1) For whatever reason, there is a grey area clouding the AOD thing
2) There is no evidence that the banned Thymosin beta 4 was actually given to the players
3) It appears that no one that ASADA have interviewed, can categorically say what they were given


So for them, unless it's proven that AOD was banned, and/or they are convinced that the players were given Thymosin beta 4 or any other banned substances - then they'll be in the clear.


My personal thoughts are that they already have them on AOD, but are building the full case to ensure they get them on anything else also.


But for Saad, there is no grey. It's clear as day. It was banned, he took it, and was caught red handed.
They only grey area is the Essendon PR departments muddying.

There is certainly enough evidence to suggest they have injected multiple banned substances, they don't need a video of the players receiving the jabs.

There is clear evidence that Thymosin beta 4 was ordered, payed for and stored at the club premises, there are consent forms with Thymosin in them. Dank has said he injected players with Thymosin, though he later claims he used the non-banned version - which there is no evidence of them ever obtaining.


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

Post: # 1423668Post Johnny Member »

It's either grey in ASADA's eyes, or they simply haven't finished the investigation.

Cause the moment it is not grey, they'll get done.


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

Post: # 1423674Post SemperFidelis »

Ahmed to contest any appeal, and Richard Ings thinks ASADA is splitting hairs.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/a ... 6775716857

Somewhat unfortunate that Saady seems to have been embroiled in a driving whilst suspended charge at the same time …


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

Post: # 1423675Post bigcarl »

SENsaintsational wrote:What a disgrace. Systematic cheating gets nothing. An energy drink gets 18 months
Agree, but I've heard there are sanctions coming against the Essendon players


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

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SemperFidelis wrote:Ahmed to contest any appeal, and Richard Ings thinks ASADA is splitting hairs.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/a ... 6775716857

Somewhat unfortunate that Saady seems to have been embroiled in a driving whilst suspended charge at the same time …
Why was his licence suspended?


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

Post: # 1423679Post saintspremiers »

Good to hear. He should get 2 years.

Let's hope social media helps bring down the bombers.

Hard to hide corruption now for the AFL and Team Essendon/Hird


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

Post: # 1423694Post Teflon »

SaintPav wrote:Essendon too big to fail.

Little and Hird are from Toorak.

Ahmed is just an Egyptian boy from Preston.
Mad Bombers mate keeps telling me..... "We're to big a club for them to let us fall.... We'll get off you watch"

I keep saying "they're coming buddy.... think you're in for some pain"

Only headline I see: "St Kildas Saad whacked again"

I'm starting to think my mates right and all the rest of us are to dumb/naive to realise we are being played...


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

Post: # 1423700Post plugger66 »

SENsaintsational wrote:What a disgrace. Systematic cheating gets nothing. An energy drink gets 18 months and they want two years.

Any chance of them doing their jobs and issuing some infraction notices against Essendon players? Oh no, they were following instructions, that's right.

Flowering crock of s***.

How do you know cheating gets nothing? They may still be penalised. An energy drink for an olympic athelete would probably get 2 years.


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

Post: # 1423701Post SuperDuper »

bergholt wrote:
8856brother wrote:It's actually laughable now.
Why? Of course he should get two years. That's the penalty prescribed for a positive test to a substance banned in competition. Open and shut case. The AFL were just trying to be cute by giving him 18 months and hoping that ASADA would let it through to the keeper.

The Essendon thing is completely different, there's not even any point comparing them. No positive tests, experimental substances which may or may not have been banned, conflicting evidence, etc. It sucks for Saad but he did the wrong thing and he's going to pay a very big price.
Yes, the Essendon case is completely different. What they did is clearly worse. Positive tests are irrelavant. ASADA emphasise this all the time. Armstrong was not busted due to positive tests.

The Bummers signed up to systematically take intrevenous substances in order to artificially improve their performance, deliberately operating in grey zones of the rules, but clearly hoping to get their performances enhanced. What they did is far worse than what Saad did.


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

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SuperDuper wrote:Yes, the Essendon case is completely different. What they did is clearly worse. Positive tests are irrelavant. ASADA emphasise this all the time. Armstrong was not busted due to positive tests.

The Bummers signed up to systematically take intrevenous substances in order to artificially improve their performance, deliberately operating in grey zones of the rules, but clearly hoping to get their performances enhanced. What they did is far worse than what Saad did.
Rape is far worse than stealing something, but the thief is much more likely to get convicted than the rapist.


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

Post: # 1423733Post Enrico_Misso »

I await the Essendope penalties.


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

Post: # 1423756Post SuperDuper »

bergholt wrote:
SuperDuper wrote:Yes, the Essendon case is completely different. What they did is clearly worse. Positive tests are irrelavant. ASADA emphasise this all the time. Armstrong was not busted due to positive tests.

The Bummers signed up to systematically take intrevenous substances in order to artificially improve their performance, deliberately operating in grey zones of the rules, but clearly hoping to get their performances enhanced. What they did is far worse than what Saad did.
Rape is far worse than stealing something, but the thief is much more likely to get convicted than the rapist.
cant argue with that.... meaning it is clealry unjust if they hammer Saad hard and the `dopers get off

I think the `dopers will cop it though, and it may throw next season into disarray


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

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SaintPav wrote:Essendon too big to fail.

Little and Hird are from Toorak.

Ahmed is just an Egyptian boy from Preston.
Exactly, easy target.

Gutless organisation.


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

Post: # 1423772Post plugger66 »

3rd generation saint wrote:
SaintPav wrote:Essendon too big to fail.

Little and Hird are from Toorak.

Ahmed is just an Egyptian boy from Preston.
Exactly, easy target.

Gutless organisation.

You do realise WADA will appeal if ASADA dont give a penalty if the evidence suggests there should be one. They took on Lance. he makes Essendon seem like the Ormond footy club.


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saintspremiers wrote:Good to hear. He should get 2 years.
Why? What's so horrible about taking 32mg of Methyl Synephrine on game day that would require the maximum sentence? I would have thought the maximum punishment would be reserved for exceptional circumstances. I question why Saad deserves anything more than a slap on the wrist for what he did. As far as I can tell, the answer is because ASADA doesn't do slaps on the wrist. They go after everybody as hard as they can. I don't understand why. We don't follow a sport with a long history of drug cheating.

Even if we accept that Saad has been very naughty and needs a severe punishment, an 18-month sentence makes the most sense. A full 2-year ban means that he'll miss in excess of 2 years, which becomes a cruel and unusual punishment for a first time offender. I cannot see why 18-months would be unacceptable from ASADA's perspective.

I don't think players care about minor infractions. Roo's happy to have his photo taken with Von Miller. Most fans only care as far as it advantages their team. I really question why we want or need ASADA around the sport. Like any arm of WADA, they seem very capable of punishing the careless and incapable of catching those with malicious intent. I see no reason why the AFL shouldn't be able to handle this stuff in house.


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

Post: # 1423799Post bobmurray »

Not sure SAAD did the right thing bragging that he'd drank that shite on multiple match days prior to the day he got nicked....


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Post: # 1423802Post HitTheBoundary »

bobmurray wrote:Not sure SAAD did the right thing bragging that he'd drank that shite on multiple match days prior to the day he got nicked....
I did wonder about that myself. Seems like a nice guy, but perhaps not the brightest spark.


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

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saintspremiers wrote:Good to hear. He should get 2 years.
Why? What's so horrible about taking 32mg of Methyl Synephrine on game day that would require the maximum sentence? I would have thought the maximum punishment would be reserved for exceptional circumstances. I question why Saad deserves anything more than a slap on the wrist for what he did. As far as I can tell, the answer is because ASADA doesn't do slaps on the wrist. They go after everybody as hard as they can. I don't understand why. We don't follow a sport with a long history of drug cheating.

Even if we accept that Saad has been very naughty and needs a severe punishment, an 18-month sentence makes the most sense. A full 2-year ban means that he'll miss in excess of 2 years, which becomes a cruel and unusual punishment for a first time offender. I cannot see why 18-months would be unacceptable from ASADA's perspective.

I don't think players care about minor infractions. Roo's happy to have his photo taken with Von Miller. Most fans only care as far as it advantages their team. I really question why we want or need ASADA around the sport. Like any arm of WADA, they seem very capable of punishing the careless and incapable of catching those with malicious intent. I see no reason why the AFL shouldn't be able to handle this stuff in house.
100% agree, don't have the balls to go after a difficult target, but give a full 2 year ban for this…
ASADA have enough circumstantial evidence to issue infraction notices now…being linked to the drugs through invoices and association is enough, ask the VFL bloke who imported drugs but got intercepted by customs….


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ASADA appeal just about every decision handed down by game/ sport authorities it would seem


Finally Something out of the AFLPA about Ahmed
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-12-05/a ... aad-appeal


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SuperDuper wrote:
bergholt wrote:Rape is far worse than stealing something, but the thief is much more likely to get convicted than the rapist.
cant argue with that.... meaning it is clealry unjust if they hammer Saad hard and the `dopers get off

I think the `dopers will cop it though, and it may throw next season into disarray
Probably unjust, yeah - though I'm sure some of those kids were at least as naive as Saad.

But personally I don't think much is going to happen to any of the Bombers. That all just seems very unlikely at this point. And I don't really care. I'm sure the Saints would have done it if we had the cash and connections. Footy teams push boundaries to win, that's just how it works. I'd rather support a dodgy team that wins flags than a just one that wins wooden spoons.


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dragit wrote:
SemperFidelis wrote:Ahmed to contest any appeal, and Richard Ings thinks ASADA is splitting hairs.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/a ... 6775716857

Somewhat unfortunate that Saady seems to have been embroiled in a driving whilst suspended charge at the same time …
Why was his licence suspended?
My guess would be Demerit Points !!


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Eastern wrote:
dragit wrote:
SemperFidelis wrote:Ahmed to contest any appeal, and Richard Ings thinks ASADA is splitting hairs.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/a ... 6775716857

Somewhat unfortunate that Saady seems to have been embroiled in a driving whilst suspended charge at the same time …
Why was his licence suspended?
My guess would be Demerit Points !!
if the AFL controlled it would it be dimwit points


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Re: ASADA to Appeal SAAD Decision

Post: # 1423864Post saintspremiers »

Sorry but Saad is a halfwit IMO.

Anyone who drives whilst suspended is.

Firstly he's stuffed up losing his license and then gives the law the middle finger. Not to mention the drink issue and not checking.

I really hope that's enough for to us dis him even if the 18 month ban holds.


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