Saints in Milne legal funds row

[southernsaint]

The club has not officially been involved!!! So what is the problem??? Are we now saying that a group of friends are not allowed to help a friend out if he or she finds themselves in a situation where they dont have the financial resources to meet the challenge that they find themselves in, be it medical, legal or whatever??? And i thought we lived in the lucky country.

[magnifisaint]

What we do know Milne is guilty of is choosing to involve himself in something tawdry and messy (from the outset), which blew up in his face and only got messier, at significant subsequent cost to the club.

Now his (wealthy) teammates want club supporters and sponsors to chip in and pay his legals?

And some people think that's ok?

How bout they just quietly pay it themselves, and give the club and supporters (and media) a spell.

No one is forcing anyone to contribute

[Moods]

If the players had done the exact same thing to help another players medical bills due to illness or another legal matter no one would have had any problems with the players actions. I think as a supporter base we have become over sensitive to the media and how they report about our club. They wont change or be balanced until we put some winning games on the board. Until then everything will be due to bad culture and or a club in crisis.

So we're comparing this to what? A player being charged and committed to trial for rape as the same thing as a player who has been diagnosed with cancer?

Should John Elliott have gone to the Carlton coterie groups for assistance when charged by the NCA all those years ago? I mean he had lost a lot of money - and it turned out he was found not guilty. Would us, the footy public, looked upon the blues as just helping out one of their own? I don't think so.

As Sainterk has said - the players just don't seem capable of reading the play. They are either poorly advised, or are a law unto themselves. I thought the club had hired a crack PR advisor to head off these sorts of things? She may need to be retired from her position I think.

[southernsaint]

Thats right...been charged not been found guilty!!!

[The Fireman]

I think we should pass the hat around.

[older saint]

Again a bonehead decision by the players . Forgetting the innocent or guilt, he is no longer a player of the club, how he will be remembered is up in the air, and for a club which has had more image problems than Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd combined it is almost beyond belief that this happened.

If mates want to chip in to help him great, if members want to I am sure they could contact the club to have things passed through. The stupidity shows to me that some of these players need to be gagged from media , social or otherwise. Lets here from Lenny Roo and that's about it as I don't think too many others have the ability to communicate without putting ones foot in ones mouth.

[southernsaint]

Has anyone on this forum been asked to put their own hard earned in? If not then its no ones business if it only involves some players who have approached contacts they have made over the years. The club has had no involvement in the matter. Its a private fundraiser. End of story.

[whiskers3614]

Again a bonehead decision by the players . Forgetting the innocent or guilt, he is no longer a player of the club, how he will be remembered is up in the air, and for a club which has had more image problems than Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd combined it is almost beyond belief that this happened.

If mates want to chip in to help him great, if members want to I am sure they could contact the club to have things passed through. The stupidity shows to me that some of these players need to be gagged from media , social or otherwise. Lets here from Lenny Roo and that's about it as I don't think too many others have the ability to communicate without putting ones foot in ones mouth.

Older Saint you display the comprehension and clear thinking skills that are sadly not taught very well any more!
(I am the father of a teacher!)

[Con Gorozidis]

Seems pretty obvious to me who the culprit is.
Went to someone in the office and asked for email mailing list for coterie members.
Staff member - probably a junior staff member- felt they had to deliver.
No ceo. No legal . No media mgr sign off.
Certain players need to be put on a short leash because they arent as clever and media savvy as they think.

[Enrico_Misso]

I don't see the problem.
Milne is entitled to the presumption of innocence.
His supporters are entitled to help him finance his campaign.
His ex-teammates are entitled to support him should they choose.
They in turn are entitled to ask other potential supporters for their support.
Those supporters in turn are entitled to contibute or not contribute.
The decision to contribute is entirely optional.

The Age beat up is a disgrace and the so called supporter who went public is a disgrace.
But in terms of a campaign to support Milne - I simply can't see a problem.

[southernsaint]

Unbelievable. Does that make a persons view more important if they are a father of a teacher???

[WellardSaint]

Milne is a former player; any funds going to his legal defence could be going to the club, to assist current players.
Some of the younger ones could do with support, assistance with getting to training (maybe could share a Honda Odyssey or similar people-mover)
Pretty poor form of the players to go soliciting $, it looks bad for the club.
If Rush wants to get involved and give legal advice, fine,
but don't go to the coterie, who already chip in big dollars.

[whiskers3614]

Unbelievable. Does that make a persons view more important if they are a father of a teacher???

No but it allows me to slag off the education system that produces people who lack basic comprehension skills!
Only went to form 5 myself!

[Con Gorozidis]

Unbelievable. Does that make a persons view more important if they are a father of a teacher???

I thought he was saying teachers these days were no good and thus was giving a whack to his own progeny

[joffaboy]

To me it does...

We agree to disagree dragit

SainterK, You have created a meme that the players run the club with nothing more than straw man arguments and sophistry. Yu have not once shown any evidence for your fantasies.

May be your opinion, but usually opinion is based on some corroborated proof, and have yet to see anything to support your opinion in this case. Only your assumptions based on who knows what.

Nice to see many on here casting Milne aside now he has retired. Strength through Loyalty hey? Bet the coterie group loved Milney kicking 500+ goals when a seniors player, now quite willing to give him up to the media.

Really living by our clubs motto FQF.

cheers, terrific to have some of you on board and bagging the players for trying to have Milne get the best representation considering his profile makes it almost impossible to get a fair trail.

lovely.

[8856brother]

To me it does...

We agree to disagree dragit

SainterK, You have created a meme that the players run the club with nothing more than straw man arguments and sophistry. Yu have not once shown any evidence for your fantasies.

May be your opinion, but usually opinion is based on some corroborated proof, and have yet to see anything to support your opinion in this case. Only your assumptions based on who knows what.

Nice to see many on here casting Milne aside now he has retired. Strength through Loyalty hey? Bet the coterie group loved Milney kicking 500+ goals when a seniors player, now quite willing to give him up to the media.

Really living by our clubs motto FQF.

cheers, terrific to have some of you on board and bagging the players for trying to have Milne get the best representation considering his profile makes it almost impossible to get a fair trail.

lovely.

Like button.

[SainterK]

Fantasies?

Are you for real?

Yes I sit here indulging in fantasies about the subject JB....

I call it as I see it, and don't have to justify my opinions to someone so disrespectful.

[thejiggingsaint]

This whole "venture" on the part of "senior" players has the potential to seriously disrupt much-needed membership recruitment. I know all the arguments about the "presumption of innocence", and I extend that presumption toward Stephen Milne. I also understand the loyalty of his former teammates who wish to help him with legal costs. However, this course of action (IMHO) is ill-judged in the extreme. I read the comparison with (hypothetically) fund raising for an ex-player with health issues, and this (IMHO) goes beyond being offensive I'm wondering what those "floating" members who we need to re-sign will think about putting their hard-earned up for another year with stuff like this being conducted.
It has to be asked why our "leadership" group have allowed such blunders as this , (and others) to occur with monotonous regularity in the past couple of years, it doesn't reflect well on them.

[joffaboy]

Fantasies?

Are you for real?

Yes I sit here indulging in fantasies about the subject JB....

I call it as I see it, and don't have to justify my opinions to someone so disrespectful.

lol - wont or cant Sainterk?

From my perspective, not posting for a month (but reading plenty) you have built up a meme that is not based in proof.

Seemed to get rattled when someone calls you on it. You are entitled to your opinion but usually some evidence is necessary to convince others of your opinions veracity.

[Moods]

This whole "venture" on the part of "senior" players has the potential to seriously disrupt much-needed membership recruitment. I know all the arguments about the "presumption of innocence", and I extend that presumption toward Stephen Milne. I also understand the loyalty of his former teammates who wish to help him with legal costs. However, this course of action (IMHO) is ill-judged in the extreme. I read the comparison with (hypothetically) fund raising for an ex-player with health issues, and this (IMHO) goes beyond being offensive I'm wondering what those "floating" members who we need to re-sign will think about putting their hard-earned up for another year with stuff like this being conducted.
It has to be asked why our "leadership" group have allowed such blunders as this , (and others) to occur with monotonous regularity in the past couple of years, it doesn't reflect well on them.

Well said. Every part of it.

[saintspremiers]

This whole "venture" on the part of "senior" players has the potential to seriously disrupt much-needed membership recruitment. I know all the arguments about the "presumption of innocence", and I extend that presumption toward Stephen Milne. I also understand the loyalty of his former teammates who wish to help him with legal costs. However, this course of action (IMHO) is ill-judged in the extreme. I read the comparison with (hypothetically) fund raising for an ex-player with health issues, and this (IMHO) goes beyond being offensive I'm wondering what those "floating" members who we need to re-sign will think about putting their hard-earned up for another year with stuff like this being conducted.
It has to be asked why our "leadership" group have allowed such blunders as this , (and others) to occur with monotonous regularity in the past couple of years, it doesn't reflect well on them.

Well said.

I hope our new CEO has a chat to you as you're an optimist who has finally cracked under the pressure which is a bad sign.

Everything you say is so on the money it's not funny

[thejiggingsaint]

It REALLY hurts to say this, but there are (it would appear) SOME "senior" players who have to be sat down and then put straight on how to conduct themselves, if this latest episode is found to be fair dinkum. The dwarf incident was bad enough, but this is just beyond dumb!
I think from the tone of this thread that there are a lot of Saints supporters who think with their "Saints loyalty" instead of objectively on this issue. I am as one with all those who back the CLUB, however, I do NOT do this at the expense of shedding my sense of what is right, just because a Saints player is involved. If we take the actions of these "senior" players to their logical conclusion, can we expect in future years, "fund raisers" for the legal costs of players who are on drunk/culpable driving charges? OR assault charges? A dangerous precedent is there to be set OR the Club COULD just come down hard now on this stupidity, and set the tone for the future! (IMHO of course)

[saintspremiers]

It REALLY hurts to say this, but there are (it would appear) SOME "senior" players who have to be sat down and then put straight on how to conduct themselves, if this latest episode is found to be fair dinkum. The dwarf incident was bad enough, but this is just beyond dumb!
I think from the tone of this thread that there are a lot of Saints supporters who think with their "Saints loyalty" instead of objectively on this issue. I am as one with all those who back the CLUB, however, I do NOT do this at the expense of shedding my sense of what is right, just because a Saints player is involved. If we take the actions of these "senior" players to their logical conclusion, can we expect in future years, "fund raisers" for the legal costs of players who are on drunk/culpable driving charges? OR assault charges? A dangerous precedent is there to be set OR the Club COULD just come down hard now on this stupidity, and set the tone for the future! (IMHO of course)

Fortunately we have retired a few of them and overt the next couple of years most will have gone. With a new coach and admin maybe this will hasten the process.

Let's hope it won't infect the newbies.

[whiskers3614]

More common sense from Jigging Saint, Older Saint, Moods, Saintspremiers & Con.

Loyalty to the club or team does not necessarily mean blindly accepting or applauding everything they do.
Loyalty does not mean we have to shoot every messenger that relays info on the players or club that we would rather not hear.
Fingers crossed that the credibility of some of the above posters may encourage some others to remove the wool from over their eyes.

[8856brother]

More common sense from Jigging Saint, Older Saint, Moods, Saintspremiers & Con.

Loyalty to the club or team does not necessarily mean blindly accepting or applauding everything they do.
Loyalty does not mean we have to shoot every messenger that relays info on the players or club that we would rather not hear.
Fingers crossed that the credibility of some of the above posters may encourage some others to remove the wool from over their eyes.

Thanks for the lecture. I'll stick with my opinion though. Isn't it great we are all allowed one. Now be careful not to fall off your horse.