Final List Structure for 2014
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Final List Structure for 2014
OK, that's it for list changes this year. So now we can look at them and take stock of where we've ended up. These are in rough order of selection, newbies in italics.
Tall Forwards (5):
Riewoldt (31)
Maister (27)
Stanley (23)
Lee (23)
White (19)
Medium Forwards: (6)
Siposs (21)
Markworth (21)
Dunell (23)
Murdoch (20)
Shenton (24, rookie)
Acres (18)
Small Forwards (8):
Schneider (29)
Savage (23)
Milera (26)
Curren (21)
Dennis-Lane (25)
Saunders (19)
Minchington (20, rookie)
Billings (18)
Tall Defenders (8):
Fisher (31)
Delaney (24)
Bruce (21)
Gilbert (27)
Dempster (30)
Gwilt (27)
Simpkin (23)
Roberton (22)
Medium Defenders (9):
Fisher (31)
Dempster (30)
Gilbert (27)
Roberton (22)
Gwilt (27)
Ray (27)
Webster (20)
Dunell (23)
Shenton (24, rookie)
Small Defenders (5):
Geary (25)
Newnes (21)
Ray (27)
Wright (20)
Weller (21, rookie)
Rucks (5):
Hickey (23)
Longer (20)
Stanley (23)
Pierce (19)
Holmes (23, rookie)
Midfielders (23):
Montagna (30)
Steven (23)
Hayes (34)
Armitage (25)
Jones (30)
Savage (23)
Curren (21)
Milera (26)
Ray (27)
Newnes (21)
Saunders (19)
Wright (20)
Ross (20)
Geary (25)
Dunell (23)
Siposs (21)
Webster (20)
Murdoch (20)
Dunstan (19)
Weller (22, rookie)
Billings (18)
Acres (18)
Templeton (18, rookie)
How's it look?
Tall Forwards (5):
Riewoldt (31)
Maister (27)
Stanley (23)
Lee (23)
White (19)
Medium Forwards: (6)
Siposs (21)
Markworth (21)
Dunell (23)
Murdoch (20)
Shenton (24, rookie)
Acres (18)
Small Forwards (8):
Schneider (29)
Savage (23)
Milera (26)
Curren (21)
Dennis-Lane (25)
Saunders (19)
Minchington (20, rookie)
Billings (18)
Tall Defenders (8):
Fisher (31)
Delaney (24)
Bruce (21)
Gilbert (27)
Dempster (30)
Gwilt (27)
Simpkin (23)
Roberton (22)
Medium Defenders (9):
Fisher (31)
Dempster (30)
Gilbert (27)
Roberton (22)
Gwilt (27)
Ray (27)
Webster (20)
Dunell (23)
Shenton (24, rookie)
Small Defenders (5):
Geary (25)
Newnes (21)
Ray (27)
Wright (20)
Weller (21, rookie)
Rucks (5):
Hickey (23)
Longer (20)
Stanley (23)
Pierce (19)
Holmes (23, rookie)
Midfielders (23):
Montagna (30)
Steven (23)
Hayes (34)
Armitage (25)
Jones (30)
Savage (23)
Curren (21)
Milera (26)
Ray (27)
Newnes (21)
Saunders (19)
Wright (20)
Ross (20)
Geary (25)
Dunell (23)
Siposs (21)
Webster (20)
Murdoch (20)
Dunstan (19)
Weller (22, rookie)
Billings (18)
Acres (18)
Templeton (18, rookie)
How's it look?
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Re: Final List Structure for 2014
Tall Forwards (5):
Riewoldt (31)
Maister (27)
Stanley (23)
Lee (23)
White (19)
Medium Forwards: (2)
Siposs (21)
Markworth (21)
Utilities:(5)
Dunell (23)
Shenton (24, rookie)
Murdoch (20)
Acres (18)
Ray (27)
Small Forwards (7):
Schneider (29)
Savage (23)
Milera (26)
Dennis-Lane (25)
Saunders (19)
Minchington (20, rookie)
Billings (18)
Tall Defenders (3):
Fisher (31)
Delaney (24)
Bruce (21)
Medium Defenders (6):
Dempster (30)
Gilbert (27)
Roberton (22)
Gwilt (27)
Webster (20)
Small Defenders (3):
Geary (25)
Newnes (21)
Wright (20)
Rucks (4):
Hickey (23)
Longer (20)
Pierce (19)
Holmes (23, rookie)
Midfielders (10):
Montagna (30)
Steven (23)
Hayes (34)
Armitage (25)
Jones (30)
Curren (21)
Ross (20)
Dunstan (19)
Weller (22, rookie)
Templeton (18, rookie)
Riewoldt (31)
Maister (27)
Stanley (23)
Lee (23)
White (19)
Medium Forwards: (2)
Siposs (21)
Markworth (21)
Utilities:(5)
Dunell (23)
Shenton (24, rookie)
Murdoch (20)
Acres (18)
Ray (27)
Small Forwards (7):
Schneider (29)
Savage (23)
Milera (26)
Dennis-Lane (25)
Saunders (19)
Minchington (20, rookie)
Billings (18)
Tall Defenders (3):
Fisher (31)
Delaney (24)
Bruce (21)
Medium Defenders (6):
Dempster (30)
Gilbert (27)
Roberton (22)
Gwilt (27)
Webster (20)
Small Defenders (3):
Geary (25)
Newnes (21)
Wright (20)
Rucks (4):
Hickey (23)
Longer (20)
Pierce (19)
Holmes (23, rookie)
Midfielders (10):
Montagna (30)
Steven (23)
Hayes (34)
Armitage (25)
Jones (30)
Curren (21)
Ross (20)
Dunstan (19)
Weller (22, rookie)
Templeton (18, rookie)
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Average age of our list 23.5 years
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Re: Final List Structure for 2014
After Roo, a bit light-on for Tall FWs although could fix that with a year of tanking and smart selections in next years draft.
Apart from that, the list of young players (<24) are really starting to take shape.
Apart from that, the list of young players (<24) are really starting to take shape.
Re: Final List Structure for 2014
It'll be 23.9 at the start of next year. Average is pretty consistent though, there's not a lot of information you can draw from it.Mr Magic wrote:What was it last season and the season before?Sainter_Dad wrote:Average age of our list 23.5 years
2013: 24.0
2012: 23.9
2011: 23.9
2010: 23.8
2009: 23.1
2008: 24.0
2007: 24.0
2006: 23.8
2005: 23.5
2004: 23.3
2003: 24.1
2002: 25.2
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After Roo, a bit light on. Should have placed him in every category.Lyon Tamer wrote:After Roo, a bit light-on for Tall FWs although could fix that with a year of tanking and smart selections in next years draft.
Apart from that, the list of young players (<24) are really starting to take shape.
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Like a couple more tall forwards and a couple less small forwards. Can see two there clogging our list - although one of them could be a real player if he set his mind to it.
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16 players left from Lyon's last year at the club. He was certainly right about it being the end of an era
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Re: Final List Structure for 2014
we may see less small forwards without Watters. I suspect that was his making which was often small forward heavy. If that makes sense.desertsaint wrote:Like a couple more tall forwards and a couple less small forwards. Can see two there clogging our list - although one of them could be a real player if he set his mind to it.
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We have to leave a couple to be delisted along with Jones next yeardesertsaint wrote:Like a couple more tall forwards and a couple less small forwards. Can see two there clogging our list - although one of them could be a real player if he set his mind to it.
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I don't think we'll struggle for de-listingsfootynut wrote:We have to leave a couple to be delisted along with Jones next yeardesertsaint wrote:Like a couple more tall forwards and a couple less small forwards. Can see two there clogging our list - although one of them could be a real player if he set his mind to it.
Jones, Hayes, Fisher, Dempster, Maister, TDL, Dunnel, Simpkin, Gwilt, Ray, Milera & Shenton will be considered you'd think depending on their form and health.
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Re: Final List Structure for 2014
Hayes, Fisher, Schneider, TDL, Dunnell are the most likely. Jones and Shenton are possible. Gwilt, Ray, & Simpkin are pretty safe, I'd say
Probably no more than 6 changes next year
Probably no more than 6 changes next year
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Re: Final List Structure for 2014
6 would be plenty I guess, just think that if Maister can't crack many senior games they won't recontract him & if Dempster or Gwilt have a bad run with injuries they might also hang up the boots.cwrcyn wrote:Hayes, Fisher, Schneider, TDL, Dunnell are the most likely. Jones and Shenton are possible. Gwilt, Ray, & Simpkin are pretty safe, I'd say
Probably no more than 6 changes next year
It's why I wouldn't have minded adding Joel Tippet, as we might be still be short on key defender depth in a year or 2.
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Another talented tall forward
More mids - cream of the crop needs to be added
Starting to have shape I think
More mids - cream of the crop needs to be added
Starting to have shape I think
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Simpkin should be on the list.
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Re: Final List Structure for 2014
He is? I've got him 7th of the 8 tall defenders, though, so I'm not sure he'll still be on the list next year.martymcfly_86 wrote:Simpkin should be on the list.
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I don't understand that. How can you lose Kosi, Blake and Milney, pick-up a bunch of young guys and have the same average age?????bergholt wrote:It'll be 23.9 at the start of next year. Average is pretty consistent though, there's not a lot of information you can draw from it.Mr Magic wrote:What was it last season and the season before?Sainter_Dad wrote:Average age of our list 23.5 years
2013: 24.0
2012: 23.9
2011: 23.9
2010: 23.8
2009: 23.1
2008: 24.0
2007: 24.0
2006: 23.8
2005: 23.5
2004: 23.3
2003: 24.1
2002: 25.2
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It happens that way because everybody else on the list is a year older.
Lose 4 older players Kosi, Blake, Milney and Dal and add one year to everyone remaining soon balances out.
Lose 4 older players Kosi, Blake, Milney and Dal and add one year to everyone remaining soon balances out.
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Uh-huh. Thanks.SinCitySainter wrote:It happens that way because everybody else on the list is a year older.
Lose 4 older players Kosi, Blake, Milney and Dal and add one year to everyone remaining soon balances out.
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Also we added a few guys already in their 20's... Only 4 bottom agers.st.byron wrote:Uh-huh. Thanks.SinCitySainter wrote:It happens that way because everybody else on the list is a year older.
Lose 4 older players Kosi, Blake, Milney and Dal and add one year to everyone remaining soon balances out.
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Re: Final List Structure for 2014
they will both be gawn end of yeardesertsaint wrote:Like a couple more tall forwards and a couple less small forwards. Can see two there clogging our list - although one of them could be a real player if he set his mind to it.
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Re: Final List Structure for 2014
Median age is only a slightly better measure.bergholt wrote:Average is pretty consistent though, there's not a lot of information you can draw from it.
2014: 23.2
2013: 22.9
2012: 23.2
2011: 24.0
2010: 23.6
2009: 22.8
2008: 23.8
2007: 23.1
2006: 22.4
2005: 22.7
2004: 22.4
2003: 23.8
2002: 24.0
Why did the median go up this year? Let's break it down:
- last year's median was Jack Steven at 22.9
- if there were no changes to the list then he'd still be the median but at 23.9 not 22.9
- we got rid of six older than Jack - Milne, Blake, Koschitzke, Dal Santo, McEvoy and Saad - that moves the median to someone a bit younger than Jack
- we also got rid of four younger than Jack - Ledger, Ferguson, Lever, Staley - that moves the median back up to someone almost Jack's age
- we added Holmes and Delaney, who are older than Jack, so that pulls the median up still further
- but we also added a bunch of players younger than Jack - Savage, Weller, Bruce, Longer, Dunstan, Billings, Templeton and Acres - so that pulls it down again
The median ended up on Shane Savage, who's about nine months younger than Jack. So adding all that youth and getting rid of some old guys counteracts 3/4 of the effect of adding a year to everyone else's age.
Clear as mud, right?