Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

This unofficial St Kilda Saints fan forum is for people of all ages to chat Saints Footy and all posts must be respectful.

Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators

User avatar
st_Trav_ofWA
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 8886
Joined: Wed 13 Sep 2006 7:10pm
Location: Perth
Contact:

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421337Post st_Trav_ofWA »

am i the only one who thinks that our "interest" in jolly was only to act as smoke to help get the longer deal over the line ???


"The team that wins in the most positions and makes the least amount of mistakes, usually wins the game." -- Allan Jeans

http://westernsaints.wordpress.com/
User avatar
saintbrat
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 44575
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 4:11pm
Location: saints zone
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 188 times

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421394Post saintbrat »

Jolly about to be on ch 7 sports news- about a secret meeting- but I could't make out the building in the short clip


mmm - essendon... welcome to him----
Last edited by saintbrat on Tue 26 Nov 2013 6:24pm, edited 1 time in total.


StReNgTh ThRoUgH LoYaLtY
Rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly..!!
Image
MEMBERSHIP 2014 31,134 Membership 2015 32,746 MEMBERSHIP 2016 - 38,101
MEMBERSHIP 2017 42,095 , Membership 2018 46,998
MEMBERSHIP 2019 43,106 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php? ... 9#p1816890
MEMBERSHIP 2020 48,588 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=100107
User avatar
saintbrat
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 44575
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 4:11pm
Location: saints zone
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 188 times

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421395Post saintbrat »

we have 3 picks
3,, 20, 36 ( US)
so not sure if it means we have 3 + US or whether the 3rd is the US


StReNgTh ThRoUgH LoYaLtY
Rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly..!!
Image
MEMBERSHIP 2014 31,134 Membership 2015 32,746 MEMBERSHIP 2016 - 38,101
MEMBERSHIP 2017 42,095 , Membership 2018 46,998
MEMBERSHIP 2019 43,106 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php? ... 9#p1816890
MEMBERSHIP 2020 48,588 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=100107
plugger66
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 50626
Joined: Mon 26 Feb 2007 8:15pm
Location: oakleigh

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421397Post plugger66 »

saintbrat wrote:we have 3 picks
3,, 20, 36 ( US)
so not sure if it means we have 3 + US or whether the 3rd is the US

We have 2 live picks.


User avatar
Ross who?
Club Player
Posts: 533
Joined: Mon 19 Sep 2011 12:24pm
Location: Moorabbin

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421401Post Ross who? »

Reported on 7news that Essendon are interested in Rookieing Jolly tomorrow


Blake Acres fan club VIP
plugger66
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 50626
Joined: Mon 26 Feb 2007 8:15pm
Location: oakleigh

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421403Post plugger66 »

Ross who? wrote:Reported on 7news that Essendon are interested in Rookieing Jolly tomorrow

I hope so.


User avatar
HitTheBoundary
SS Hall of Fame
Posts: 2058
Joined: Fri 27 Feb 2009 9:00am
Location: Walkabout
Has thanked: 174 times
Been thanked: 68 times
Contact:

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421407Post HitTheBoundary »

plugger66 wrote:
Ross who? wrote:Reported on 7news that Essendon are interested in Rookieing Jolly tomorrow

I hope so.
+1


User avatar
saintbrat
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 44575
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 4:11pm
Location: saints zone
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 188 times

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421408Post saintbrat »

succesful rookies..
Milney rated 2nd 'best'/ 'most succesful' rookie - within a top 20

they forget to mention his All Australians..

TOP 20 ROOKIE DRAFT PICKS
1. Dean Cox (WC, pick 28 2000)

Likely to end his career after 2013 just short of 300 games. Six-time All-Australian, premiership player (2006) and Eagles best-and-fairest winner (2008) who has revolutionised his ruck position.


2. Stephen Milne (StK, pick 23 2000)

Star turn in Essendon's 1999 reserves premiership prompted St Kilda to place him on its rookie list. Retired after 274 games and 574 goals, fourth on the club's all-time list.


3. Brett Kirk (Sydney, pick 40 1999)

Rarely beaten in 241 games after fighting his way to an AFL career, at one stage being cut from Sydney's supplementary list. Spiritual leader and premiership player. All-Australian in 2004.
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... z2ljc7N8A1


StReNgTh ThRoUgH LoYaLtY
Rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly..!!
Image
MEMBERSHIP 2014 31,134 Membership 2015 32,746 MEMBERSHIP 2016 - 38,101
MEMBERSHIP 2017 42,095 , Membership 2018 46,998
MEMBERSHIP 2019 43,106 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php? ... 9#p1816890
MEMBERSHIP 2020 48,588 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=100107
User avatar
evertonfc
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 7262
Joined: Mon 08 Mar 2004 9:11pm
Location: 'Quietly Confident' County
Has thanked: 115 times
Been thanked: 267 times
Contact:

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421411Post evertonfc »

I'm hoping for...

First pick - Eli Templeton or James Battersby.

Second pick - Maverick Weller.


I think we'll get a choice of Battersby or Templeton with our first pick. Both are good choices. I'll take Battersby, purely because he's played so much senior footy (http://www.news.com.au/national/sturts- ... m-breached).

And I don't think anyone else will touch Weller now that he's so publicly committed to us. He offers tremendous upside from the rookie list, where he gets zero guarantees.


Clueless and mediocre petty tyrant.

Image
plugger66
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 50626
Joined: Mon 26 Feb 2007 8:15pm
Location: oakleigh

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421415Post plugger66 »

evertonfc wrote:I'm hoping for...

First pick - Eli Templeton or James Battersby.
Second pick - Cameron Conlon.
Third pick - Maverick Weller.


I think we'll get a choice of Battersby or Templeton with our first pick. Both are good choices. I'll take Battersby, purely because he's played so much senior footy.

Conlon could be anything - well worth a speculative punt (http://www.news.com.au/national/skys-th ... m-breached).

And I don't think anyone else will touch Weller now that he's so publicly committed to us. He offers tremendous upside from the rookie list, where he gets zero guarantees.

We only have 2 picks the way I see it as we kept Shenton and Minchington. They obviously are taking Weller so we have one more after that.


User avatar
evertonfc
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 7262
Joined: Mon 08 Mar 2004 9:11pm
Location: 'Quietly Confident' County
Has thanked: 115 times
Been thanked: 267 times
Contact:

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421417Post evertonfc »

True. Altered.


Clueless and mediocre petty tyrant.

Image
falka
Club Player
Posts: 455
Joined: Sat 25 Oct 2008 6:03pm
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421443Post falka »

I would love another key back eg Tippett (in case Delaney goes down, we want to keep structure)

Then another mid, I like the sound of Merryk Buchanan, was a top 20 pick before pursuing cricket and played 6 games as overager before injury. Could be a big win


St Ick
SS Hall of Fame
Posts: 2227
Joined: Mon 16 Nov 2009 8:37pm

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421444Post St Ick »

evertonfc wrote:I'm hoping for...

First pick - Eli Templeton or James Battersby.

Second pick - Maverick Weller.


I think we'll get a choice of Battersby or Templeton with our first pick. Both are good choices. I'll take Battersby, purely because he's played so much senior footy (http://www.news.com.au/national/sturts- ... m-breached).

And I don't think anyone else will touch Weller now that he's so publicly committed to us. He offers tremendous upside from the rookie list, where he gets zero guarantees.
No... chance....

Templeton and Battersby will gone in the PSD - I'd like to be wrong but I really can't see this.


Strength through Loyalty
Go those mighty Sainters!!
User avatar
saintbrat
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 44575
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 4:11pm
Location: saints zone
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 188 times

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421445Post saintbrat »

St Ick wrote:
evertonfc wrote:I'm hoping for...

First pick - Eli Templeton or James Battersby.

Second pick - Maverick Weller.


I think we'll get a choice of Battersby or Templeton with our first pick. Both are good choices. I'll take Battersby, purely because he's played so much senior footy (http://www.news.com.au/national/sturts- ... m-breached).

And I don't think anyone else will touch Weller now that he's so publicly committed to us. He offers tremendous upside from the rookie list, where he gets zero guarantees.
No... chance....

Templeton and Battersby will gone in the PSD - I'd like to be wrong but I really can't see this.

heard/ read late this afternoon that there is actually only 1 pick int eh PSD-- everyone has passed- to pick up more rookies..... must have read the Swans and Pies system of going in with 38 players and picking up extra rookies---


StReNgTh ThRoUgH LoYaLtY
Rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly..!!
Image
MEMBERSHIP 2014 31,134 Membership 2015 32,746 MEMBERSHIP 2016 - 38,101
MEMBERSHIP 2017 42,095 , Membership 2018 46,998
MEMBERSHIP 2019 43,106 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php? ... 9#p1816890
MEMBERSHIP 2020 48,588 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=100107
St Ick
SS Hall of Fame
Posts: 2227
Joined: Mon 16 Nov 2009 8:37pm

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421450Post St Ick »

saintbrat wrote:
St Ick wrote:
evertonfc wrote:I'm hoping for...

First pick - Eli Templeton or James Battersby.

Second pick - Maverick Weller.


I think we'll get a choice of Battersby or Templeton with our first pick. Both are good choices. I'll take Battersby, purely because he's played so much senior footy (http://www.news.com.au/national/sturts- ... m-breached).

And I don't think anyone else will touch Weller now that he's so publicly committed to us. He offers tremendous upside from the rookie list, where he gets zero guarantees.
No... chance....

Templeton and Battersby will gone in the PSD - I'd like to be wrong but I really can't see this.

heard/ read late this afternoon that there is actually only 1 pick int eh PSD-- everyone has passed- to pick up more rookies..... must have read the Swans and Pies system of going in with 38 players and picking up extra rookies---
Thought there were 5 or 6, in that case - if everyone passes, then I take back what I said, ooops! :wink:


Strength through Loyalty
Go those mighty Sainters!!
defacto
Club Player
Posts: 1514
Joined: Mon 20 Dec 2010 1:47pm

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421453Post defacto »

st_Trav_ofWA wrote:am i the only one who thinks that our "interest" in jolly was only to act as smoke to help get the longer deal over the line ???
how would it have helped to get the longer deal over the line?


Zed
SS Hall of Fame
Posts: 2190
Joined: Sun 28 Mar 2004 1:59pm
Location: by the seaside..
Has thanked: 36 times
Been thanked: 187 times

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421471Post Zed »

evertonfc wrote:I'm hoping for...

First pick - Eli Templeton or James Battersby.

Second pick - Maverick Weller.


I think we'll get a choice of Battersby or Templeton with our first pick. Both are good choices. I'll take Battersby, purely because he's played so much senior footy (http://www.news.com.au/national/sturts- ... m-breached).

And I don't think anyone else will touch Weller now that he's so publicly committed to us. He offers tremendous upside from the rookie list, where he gets zero guarantees.
I thought I read that the Dogs had considered taking Weller with their last pick in the draft but when Honey church was still there he was too good to pass up. So wouldn't surprise if Dogs reach for him at pick 4.


“If you want the rainbow you gotta put up with rain” Dolly Parton
SemperFidelis
SS Life Member
Posts: 3856
Joined: Fri 16 Sep 2011 2:41pm
Has thanked: 419 times
Been thanked: 237 times

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421487Post SemperFidelis »

Emma Quayle's take tonight, with some comment on Saady and also another explanation of the rookie draft rules ...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/a ... 2y877.html


Always loyal
User avatar
saintbrat
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 44575
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 4:11pm
Location: saints zone
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 188 times

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421490Post saintbrat »

Zed wrote: I thought I read that the Dogs had considered taking Weller with their last pick in the draft but when Honey church was still there he was too good to pass up. So wouldn't surprise if Dogs reach for him at pick 4.

Dogs not participating in PSD or Rookie draft- already full list


StReNgTh ThRoUgH LoYaLtY
Rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly..!!
Image
MEMBERSHIP 2014 31,134 Membership 2015 32,746 MEMBERSHIP 2016 - 38,101
MEMBERSHIP 2017 42,095 , Membership 2018 46,998
MEMBERSHIP 2019 43,106 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php? ... 9#p1816890
MEMBERSHIP 2020 48,588 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=100107
St Ick
SS Hall of Fame
Posts: 2227
Joined: Mon 16 Nov 2009 8:37pm

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421494Post St Ick »

Zed wrote:
evertonfc wrote:I'm hoping for...

First pick - Eli Templeton or James Battersby.

Second pick - Maverick Weller.


I think we'll get a choice of Battersby or Templeton with our first pick. Both are good choices. I'll take Battersby, purely because he's played so much senior footy (http://www.news.com.au/national/sturts- ... m-breached).

And I don't think anyone else will touch Weller now that he's so publicly committed to us. He offers tremendous upside from the rookie list, where he gets zero guarantees.
I thought I read that the Dogs had considered taking Weller with their last pick in the draft but when Honey church was still there he was too good to pass up. So wouldn't surprise if Dogs reach for him at pick 4.
'One club - the Western Bulldogs - will not participate in the rookie draft, sticking with Mark Austin, Jack Redpath, Lin Jong and Alex Greenwood after promoting Brett Goodes to the senior list.'

Taken from Quayles article, so its a huge risk expecting him to be around for our second pick, but it won't be Dogs taking him.


Strength through Loyalty
Go those mighty Sainters!!
User avatar
Con Gorozidis
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 23532
Joined: Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:04pm
Has thanked: 100 times
Been thanked: 78 times

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421509Post Con Gorozidis »

defacto wrote:
st_Trav_ofWA wrote:am i the only one who thinks that our "interest" in jolly was only to act as smoke to help get the longer deal over the line ???
how would it have helped to get the longer deal over the line?
I reckon Jolly was a legitimate option if we didnt nab Longer.
If the Longer deal did not eventuate for whatever reason - Jolly would have been a decent back-up/insurance.

Once we had Longer though...


defacto
Club Player
Posts: 1514
Joined: Mon 20 Dec 2010 1:47pm

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421511Post defacto »

Con Gorozidis wrote:
defacto wrote:
st_Trav_ofWA wrote:am i the only one who thinks that our "interest" in jolly was only to act as smoke to help get the longer deal over the line ???
how would it have helped to get the longer deal over the line?
I reckon Jolly was a legitimate option if we didnt nab Longer.
If the Longer deal did not eventuate for whatever reason - Jolly would have been a decent back-up/insurance.

Once we had Longer though...
i agree, but i still dont understand how it managed to "help get the longer deal over the line"


User avatar
Con Gorozidis
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 23532
Joined: Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:04pm
Has thanked: 100 times
Been thanked: 78 times

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421512Post Con Gorozidis »

defacto wrote:
i agree, but i still dont understand how it managed to "help get the longer deal over the line"
No I dont follow that one either...

Sounds like Jolly may end up at the Bummers...


User avatar
ace
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 10800
Joined: Sun 16 Dec 2007 3:28pm
Location: St Kilda
Has thanked: 31 times
Been thanked: 837 times

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421514Post ace »

What is plan B.

GWS is committed to take Jed Lamb in the pre season draft ahead of the rookie draft.
But because St Kilda has not delisted a player to activate a Pre Season draft pick.
GWS has two chances to take Weller if they choose.
They could use a second pre season draft pick or they could use their no 1 pick in the rookie draft.

Either option may surprise St Kilda.
It has shades of the late 1990s when Timmy Watson trained with St Kilda with the intention of making a comeback for a season or two before taking over as coach.
Everyoe knew St Kilda was plaannig to take Watson BUT
Shock horror, evil Sheedy sprung a surprise and used a pick ahead of St Kilda to redraft him to Essendon.

If GWS grabs Weller who will St Kilda pick instead.


The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.

If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
User avatar
ace
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 10800
Joined: Sun 16 Dec 2007 3:28pm
Location: St Kilda
Has thanked: 31 times
Been thanked: 837 times

Re: Rookie Draft 27/11/13 - Official discussion thread

Post: # 1421515Post ace »

Con Gorozidis wrote:
defacto wrote:
i agree, but i still dont understand how it managed to "help get the longer deal over the line"
No I dont follow that one either...

Sounds like Jolly may end up at the Bummers...
Would be a good outcome.
The real drug cheats would have wasted a rookie pick.
Jolly should hang up his boots and apply for ruck coaching positions that do not clog lists and payments are outside the salary cap.


The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.

If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
Post Reply