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howlinwolf wrote:Could we shoot ourselves in the foot by holding out for both Bruce and Longer for the picks we've offered ?
If the Lions and GWS call our bluff we can't pick them both up in the PSD ?
No because GWS want pick #25 if Brisbane don't take it for Longer it will go to GWS for Bruce and then Longer through to PSD, or the contrary should Brisbane take #25 and GWS wont take #41.
Hypothetically speaking.. what would happen if both the Lions and GWS called our bluff so we then gave 25 for Bruce.
Melb or GWS then take Longer in the PSD before us ?
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Anyone remember the late great Allan Jeans playing Val Perovic off the wing in his first couple of years until a bad knee put him out and came back as a centre half back. In the old scale was 6 ft 4 inch and was quick for a tall.Stanley could play on a wing easily and it gives you height coverage on both sides of the ground when clearing the ball out.
sainters man wrote:I don't get why people are saying if Longer comes...Stanley's position is questionable?? He is nearly the quickest on our list and could play on a wing/forward flank/forward pocket - anywhere with his pace...People think because he has height he is a dinosaur..wrong
Agreed. When his body holds up Rhys is more than handy.
Any confusion as to Stanley's ability and value can be quickly erased by watching this game - Round 7 2012 game versus Carlton.
The question mark is on his durability and I reckon with another year of weights and the tall lanky kid filling out, he'll finally show what he is capable of. Good luck Rhys
Hope we get Billy on board too. I'm sure either of Rhys or Billy could play the ruckman forward role.
oldie60 wrote:Anyone remember the late great Allan Jeans playing Val Perovic off the wing in his first couple of years until a bad knee put him out and came back as a centre half back. In the old scale was 6 ft 4 inch and was quick for a tall.Stanley could play on a wing easily and it gives you height coverage on both sides of the ground when clearing the ball out.
Sure do "oldie60"................. also Fraser Gerhig played wing in his early days at the Eagles.
sainters man wrote:I don't get why people are saying if Longer comes...Stanley's position is questionable?? He is nearly the quickest on our list and could play on a wing/forward flank/forward pocket - anywhere with his pace...People think because he has height he is a dinosaur..wrong
'could play on a wing/forward flank/forward pocket'
People also think because hes tall, fast and blonde that hes awesome at footy
also wrong.
has ever got a kick as a wingman, fwd pocket or fwd flank?
I hope I am wrong on this - but i think the Stanley as a fwd idea is closer to dream than reality.
There were quite a lot of tall wingmen back in those days
They were overtaken by players with pure pace ( like Cunningham )
But the way taller players have become much more athletic I'm sure there will be a resurgence of the taller wing player
Stanley sure fits the bill......
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The Age has an article about Brisbane accepting a trade of WCE's pick 28 for Elliot Yeo...
Under the deal, the Lions will receive West Coast's second pick, no 28, in exchange for the promising Yeo, whom many from rival clubs believe is the best performed of the uncontracted players who are leaving the Lions.
Taking this in to account pick 25 seems reasonable for Longer.
Sure he is probably worth a lower pick, but the fact is he is uncontracted and leaving their club regardless. This makes a mid second round pick seem about right and should get the deal over the line as the trade deadline gets closer IMO
AFL.com.au's Trade Wrap Tuesday article says:
There is a stalemate developing in talks, however, with the Lions juggling several balls in the air and appearing to want to sign off on a number of deals simultaneously.
oldie60 wrote:Anyone remember the late great Allan Jeans playing Val Perovic off the wing in his first couple of years until a bad knee put him out and came back as a centre half back. In the old scale was 6 ft 4 inch and was quick for a tall.Stanley could play on a wing easily and it gives you height coverage on both sides of the ground when clearing the ball out.
Sure do "oldie60"................. also Fraser Gerhig played wing in his early days at the Eagles.
Fraser and Stanley similar , man your on something , one had smarts , the other can just run , i love stanley and said when we drafted him to my mates he would be a star but so far i have seen nothing
oldie60 wrote:Anyone remember the late great Allan Jeans playing Val Perovic off the wing in his first couple of years until a bad knee put him out and came back as a centre half back. In the old scale was 6 ft 4 inch and was quick for a tall.Stanley could play on a wing easily and it gives you height coverage on both sides of the ground when clearing the ball out.
Sure do "oldie60"................. also Fraser Gerhig played wing in his early days at the Eagles.
Fraser and Stanley similar , man your on something , one had smarts , the other can just run , i love stanley and said when we drafted him to my mates he would be a star but so far i have seen nothing
2014 may be Stanley's make or break season- he really needs to toughen up and play with a bit more authority
Are we really comparing wigmen today to the 70 and 80's? A wingman today is an onballer who isnt allowed in the centre after a goal. After that he is the same as a centerman or a rover. Stanley isnt good enough below his knees to play on the ball and certainly isnt fast enough in packs to play on the ball. he either plays KP or rucks or plays at sandy.
plugger66 wrote:Are we really comparing wigmen today to the 70 and 80's? A wingman today is an onballer who isnt allowed in the centre after a goal. After that he is the same as a centerman or a rover. Stanley isnt good enough below his knees to play on the ball and certainly isnt fast enough in packs to play on the ball. he either plays KP or rucks or plays at sandy.
Sorry mate I disagree with you. But we will see next season I guess...
Con Gorozidis wrote:I think I am happy with Longer - but I remain in a state of utter confusion regarding Stanley and his place on our list if we did get Longer.
Stanley will be a tall target forward. He is excellent there and will be a very good player for us.
Can't see Stanley getting traded any time soon.
Watters loves him
Robert Harvey definitely rates him...
Matthew Richardson nearly won a Brownlow after he moved from full forward to a wing, no? Not saying Stanley's that good, but that could be worth a try.
Still waiting for closure ... if you get my drift.
howlinwolf wrote:Could we shoot ourselves in the foot by holding out for both Bruce and Longer for the picks we've offered ?
If the Lions and GWS call our bluff we can't pick them both up in the PSD ?
No because GWS want pick #25 if Brisbane don't take it for Longer it will go to GWS for Bruce and then Longer through to PSD, or the contrary should Brisbane take #25 and GWS wont take #41.
Hypothetically speaking.. what would happen if both the Lions and GWS called our bluff so we then gave 25 for Bruce.
Melb or GWS then take Longer in the PSD before us ?
Then we get Bruce, who is a better prospect than who we would probably pick up with #25 anyway, and then instead of picking up Longer for free consider taking Karnezis instead in the PSD.
Hird... The unflushable one is now... just a turd...
ctqs wrote:Matthew Richardson nearly won a Brownlow after he moved from full forward to a wing, no? Not saying Stanley's that good, but that could be worth a try.
Richo kicked 56 goals in 1994 as a 19 yo and 91 goals in 1996 as a 21 yo.
Peoples view/comparisons of Stanley are so far fetched it as to be a fairytale.
ctqs wrote:Matthew Richardson nearly won a Brownlow after he moved from full forward to a wing, no? Not saying Stanley's that good, but that could be worth a try.
Richo kicked 56 goals in 1994 as a 19 yo and 91 goals in 1996 as a 21 yo.
Peoples view/comparisons of Stanley are so far fetched it as to be a fairytale.
To be fair rhys wasn't played as a permanent FF from the time he arrived. Richo was a gun early on then did his knee and never quite got back to what he was. Rhys needs games to get some confidence up and some consistency. Goddard was a pretty average player until they played him into a position. Ross really gave him his best chance as a player by using him in a role that suited his skill set.
resaintlee wrote:Stanley on a wing this season to continue building his skills and confidence. Work out the next step later.
Couldnt possibly play on the wing. What happens when he is an onballer which most wingmen are these days for most of the game? not good enough below his knees.
resaintlee wrote:Stanley on a wing this season to continue building his skills and confidence. Work out the next step later.
Couldnt possibly play on the wing. What happens when he is an onballer which most wingmen are these days for most of the game? not good enough below his knees.
He has fantastic straight line pace but I haven't seen any evidence of the agility required to play wing / mid.
He is a forward / ruck and at the moment he is still getting by on potential.
Time will tell.
