Saints gaining RESPECT due to Bains and Pelchen

[joffaboy]

oh, for god sake. get a life.

I dont have a life but I do have an ipad

[SaintPav]

oh, for god sake. get a life.

I dont have a life but I do have an ipad

lol..and I'm not quick enough.

[Wayne42]

oh, for god sake. get a life.

oh, if we had a life we wouldn't be on here... for god's sake

[BigMart]

Aren't these all opinions?

They are just not yours?! But of course that makes them incorrect.... But hey, that's not arrogant, is it?

"It's not my responsibility to educate you"... Not arrogant, at all?

"I won't let complete ignorance".... Again, opinion PRESENTED AS FACT!!!

People on here who know? Is that referring to yourself.... So you are the expert presenting facts.. Not me

I have spent half of my life leading JB
Whether it be sport or work.... Leadership positions are not foreign to me
And
Have never led an unsuccessful team.... Would step down if so...

So when I get lessons from you ('education' you called it) about my lack of ability or knowledge... I lose little sleep over it... But I won't just allow you to tell me about myself
When you sir, have no idea about my background, level of competence or success..... You sure as s*** don't know my football background... Because there's a fair chance Icould throw that in your face and suggest you're out of your depth discussing footy with me
But that would be arrogant

All you know is that I am a frustrated stk fan.... Desperately wanting success .....

[Wayne42]

Aren't these all opinions?

They are just not yours?! But of course that makes them incorrect.... But hey, that's not arrogant, is it?

"It's not my responsibility to educate you"... Not arrogant, at all?

"I won't let complete ignorance".... Again, opinion PRESENTED AS FACT!!!

People on here who know? Is that referring to yourself.... So you are the expert presenting facts.. Not me

I have spent half of my life leading JB
Whether it be sport or work.... Leadership positions are not foreign to me
And
Have never led an unsuccessful team.... Would step down if so...

So when I get lessons from you ('education' you called it) about my lack of ability or knowledge... I lose little sleep over it... But I won't just allow you to tell me about myself
When you sir, have no idea about my background, level of competence or success..... You sure as s*** don't know my football background... Because there's a fair chance Icould throw that in your face and suggest you're out of your depth discussing footy with me
But that would be arrogant

All you know is that I am a frustrated stk fan.... Desperately wanting success .....

And bagging the crap out of everything the club does as it tries yet again to achieve that success

[SaintPav]

oh, for god sake. get a life.

oh, if we had a life we wouldn't be on here... for god's sake

one thing to blog/rant about your team and an other to show someone up for typos, spelling mistakes etc.

Each to they're own.

[dragit]

Because there's a fair chance Icould throw that in your face and suggest you're out of your depth discussing footy with me
But that would be arrogant

GOLD

[Wayne42]

oh, for god sake. get a life.

oh, if we had a life we wouldn't be on here... for god's sake

one thing to blog/rant about your team and an other to show someone up for typos, spelling mistakes etc.

Each to they're own.

You have definitely got your own style, problem is it adds little to football discussion, as i've noticed it's usually having a go at fellow posters.

You may beg to differ but that's what i've noticed, if you like, i'll highlight it when you do it

[gringo]

I have more confidence in elsgaugh to use the picks wisely than Peake. He's done well so far but this year will be critical.

The ONLY way he could do worse than Peake would be if he read MY name out for #3 on Draft Day. And NO, I'm NOT a Half Back Flanker !!

Elshaugh my be the best recruiter of all time. I don't know yet. And Peake may have been shyte but to be fair here are his picks that are still on an AFL list and were they were taken: Pick 9 McEvoy, Pick 42 Steven, Pick 13Lynch, Pick 47 Stanley, Rookies: Simpkin, Dawson. Rookie: Hutchings. Pick 25 Cripps, Pick 72 Siposs, rookie Curren.
Ledger may get picked up pick 50 something.
To me his two biggest mistakes were: pick 31Winmar and not taking Darling but I have a feeling that was not his call as Drain had left and Lyon was put in charge.
Shyte, matter of opinion but I think a few of those players can play and how many top twenty picks did he have over four years? Two. I don't know how well many on this board do their jobs or how well they perform in their yearly reviews. But I wonder how well they would go reviewing themselves ,as harshly and without taking in crucial criteria ie: where the picks where?, as they review Peake.

He was urged to use all late picks (and some early ones) on mature talent that wasn't that talented. That cuts your strike rate considerably.

[SaintPav]

You have definitely got your own style, problem is it adds little to football discussion, as i've noticed it's usually having a go at fellow posters.

You may beg to differ but that's what i've noticed, if you like, i'll highlight it when you do it

Sounds rich Wayne...but If you say so, teach

or

MR W.

[groupie1]

So the military is not an effective model of leadership structure..... Although this structure has survived 3000 years, won world wars, has had the most expensive training budget of any organisations

What do you suppose is the budget is of the us military?

Again any organisation that gets the following right, will prosper

Communication, logistics. Team work, resources

I spent an afternoon with the ex CEO of Coles Myer recently to discuss management of supply chains and logistics.... And supply and demand

He knew a thing or two about leadership, team building and managing having reached a salary of 850K.....

He had plenty advice but it always got back to the fundamentals of running an organisation....
Top down management only does not work.... In huge organisations in particular.... But at the end of the day.... The one who runs the show, must be the one setting the agenda.... All teams need, a captain, a director.... A LEADER!!

I'm sticking myself in the middle of this, and I don't get much of it, but can I point out a glaring problem in your argument?
- '...The military is ... an effective model of leadership structure..... this structure has survived 3000 years, won world wars, has had the most expensive training budget of any organisations.'
- 'Top down management only does not work.'

Those two arguments cannot both be true.

[bergholt]

So the military is not an effective model of leadership structure..... Although this structure has survived 3000 years, won world wars, has had the most expensive training budget of any organisations

What do you suppose is the budget is of the us military?

Spending lots of public money isn't usually a measure of how good an organisation is. That says more about the politics of defence spending.

And yes, the military has won wars. Of course, the military was fighting with other militaries against different militaries, so that means the military has also lost world wars. I'm not sure what your argument is there. That's like saying that all football clubs must be well run because one of them wins the premiership each year.

Look mate, if you think the military is an exemplar of the perfect organisation then I'm probably not going to be able to change your mind. But you need to realise that there are heaps of people on here with different experience who probably disagree and that they just might be right.

[Con Gorozidis]

According to p66 - Chris P has lied and totally made up the story he told about his conversation with Alan Jeans and his request to 'look after is Saints'.

Big call from p66.

[bigcarl]

According to p66 - Chris P has lied and totally made up the story he told about his conversation with Alan Jeans and his request to 'look after is Saints'.

Big call from p66.

Where did P66 say this? I'm all ears.

[Con Gorozidis]

According to p66 - Chris P has lied and totally made up the story he told about his conversation with Alan Jeans and his request to 'look after is Saints'.

Big call from p66.

Where did P66 say this? I'm all ears.

An extraordinary accusation from p66
Extraordinary


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