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A bloke I know umpires VFL and I've said it before, they have discussed him often at training... Is rated by them as above the level and from a consistency POV in the best couple in the VFL in a s*** team!
Most of his issues are grossly exaggerated on here, seen by his clean games r21/22 .... I reckon he's a good dual sided kick.... Decision making is sloppy and panicky ..... The common at stk....
Defensive running.... NO supporters even watch that, that's regurgitated garbage IMO ......
Most guys look scrappy in the VFL less space, less talent, less fitness, less structure, CONDITIONS
In a s*** VFL team he finished 14th in the b&f... Only 126 votes behind cockie.
Could possibly get rookied by Freo - and play WAFL and look for a mid year promotion at Freo.
The irony is he is a better % chance for a flag than the entire Saints list (hes probably 5% - compared to 0% for 2014).
I have no real opinion on TL based on not having seen him play enough. My only call last year was we should have given him at least 5 games so we could at least have some information to make an informed decision at years end (churn and learn). Playing TDL in a couple fewer games wouldn't have hurt us. So I was perplexed with what was happening. Clearly he did something to piss the Coach off.
I heard him interviewed on TWR today and he said he'd spoken to the club about a knew contract and they were going to test him in the trade market and they were only 50/50 on keeping him. He went on to say delisting himself (with the club agreeing) was a strategic move to become a delisted free agent and become more appealing to prospective clubs who wouldn't have to offer picks / players for him. I rate the kid. A club could do a lot worse than offer him a spot on the rookie list.
He was crucified in the B&F this year IMO, he was definitely a favourite of the coaches I know that, as could be seen in selection.... He did finish high in 2011 & 12?
Cockie was a clear standout no doubt about it.... But probably at his level... He smashed contested ball
Ledger has the knack of just finding the footy... When rotating on, he will get a touch within a minute, either inside or outside... Some players just have game sense... Sam Mitchell, Mark McGough, Jack Steven.... Sorts of players who just seem to know where to run to get possession or can read it off hands....
Ledger was clearly unhappy at StK and I believe he was pissed that 1st year players were given games before him this year....in his mind he deserved a game ahead of Saunders, Murdoch and Webster... He was further punished for this attitude.... He was not a favourite at StK
BigMart wrote:He was crucified in the B&F this year IMO, he was definitely a favourite of the coaches I know that, as could be seen in selection.... He did finish high in 2011 & 12?
Cockie was a clear standout no doubt about it.... But probably at his level... He smashed contested ball
Ledger has the knack of just finding the footy... When rotating on, he will get a touch within a minute, either inside or outside... Some players just have game sense... Sam Mitchell, Mark McGough, Jack Steven.... Sorts of players who just seem to know where to run to get possession or can read it off hands....
Ledger was clearly unhappy at StK and I believe he was pissed that 1st year players were given games before him this year....in his mind he deserved a game ahead of Saunders, Murdoch and Webster... He was further punished for this attitude.... He was not a favourite at StK
BigMart wrote:He was crucified in the B&F this year IMO, he was definitely a favourite of the coaches I know that, as could be seen in selection.... He did finish high in 2011 & 12?
Cockie was a clear standout no doubt about it.... But probably at his level... He smashed contested ball
Ledger has the knack of just finding the footy... When rotating on, he will get a touch within a minute, either inside or outside... Some players just have game sense... Sam Mitchell, Mark McGough, Jack Steven.... Sorts of players who just seem to know where to run to get possession or can read it off hands....
Ledger was clearly unhappy at StK and I believe he was pissed that 1st year players were given games before him this year....in his mind he deserved a game ahead of Saunders, Murdoch and Webster... He was further punished for this attitude.... He was not a favourite at StK
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So where did Ledger finish in the B&F in 2012, 3rd 4th maybe 5th, I remember Curren won it, anyone know, I don't reckon he finished in the top 8 or 9 at least....
I heard him interviewed on TWR today and he said he'd spoken to the club about a knew contract and they were going to test him in the trade market and they were only 50/50 on keeping him. He went on to say delisting himself (with the club agreeing) was a strategic move to become a delisted free agent and become more appealing to prospective clubs who wouldn't have to offer picks / players for him. I rate the kid. A club could do a lot worse than offer him a spot on the rookie list.
BigMart wrote:He was crucified in the B&F this year IMO, he was definitely a favourite of the coaches I know that, as could be seen in selection.... He did finish high in 2011 & 12?
A favourite of the coaches, so who crucified him in the B&F? Are you saying the coaches loved him but deliberately didn't vote for him?
Would have to be one of the most ridiculous posts ever on this forum!
Still don't get it. IMO we aren't in the market for Mitchie as if we were we should've used him as trade bait.
The delisted player free agency is at the end of all drafts etc isn't it? (Are there two periods?). So why did we delist him prior to trade week.
The only reason I can think of is a club only wants to rookie him, in which case they can't pick him up as a delisted free agent anyway (they go on the main list).
Just doesn't make sense to delist him so that another club can get him for free. Unless we had a dodgy deal with Freo from the Robbo delisting?
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BigMart wrote:Again, do you think his management hasen't canvassed other clubs....
The response was likely, we won't trade a pick or player for him, but if he's still there late or in the rookie draft... Well select him.
StK should have waited until the end of the trade period until letting him walk if they could of...
Why would they do that if you think the responses were as you said? Sounds like you are saying we wouldnt have got a trade for him so why keep him? I reckon there is no way ledger was worth anything. 8 games in 3 years suggests that. We got Roberton through a delisting and he played about 30 games in 2 years. Not all players are tradable. He wanted to be delisted and we did the right thing.
BigMart wrote:Again, do you think his management hasen't canvassed other clubs....
The response was likely, we won't trade a pick or player for him, but if he's still there late or in the rookie draft... Well select him.
StK should have waited until the end of the trade period until letting him walk if they could of...
They did the right thing by Ledger. Why blame the club when they granted him his wish.
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Because he didn't see a future when they were giving games to new recruits and not him. there was some reason they didn't value his game. As an outsider with no actual idea I would say his fitness meant his endurance was a bit iffy and his disposal especially under pressure was a bit messy. Pelchen doesn't see poor disposal as an attractive trait even if the player has other qualities.
Steven, Gilbert, Jones, Ray, Saunders..... Have poor disposal
He left, as you rightly said because he was not rated.... Like Luke Ball. He wants a fresh start to eliminate the reputation he has forged with attitudinal mistakes at StK. will he make it? I think so.... Should he have been delisted? Probably... He didn't make the most of his time at StK and suffered because of that.
Lots of players need to be cut and then get another chance which they then appreciate...
BigMart wrote:Steven, Gilbert, Jones, Ray, Saunders..... Have poor disposal
He left, as you rightly said because he was not rated.... Like Luke Ball. He wants a fresh start to eliminate the reputation he has forged with attitudinal mistakes at StK. will he make it? I think so.... Should he have been delisted? Probably... He didn't make the most of his time at StK and suffered because of that.
Lots of players need to be cut and then get another chance which they then appreciate...
So what's your actual point? You're saying that he should have been delisted and also that the club made a mistake in delisting him. You're saying that the club should have tried to trade him and also that they wouldn't have got anything if they tried to trade him. You're saying that he wouldn't have made it at St Kilda and also that the club should have kept him. I'm confused.
BigMart wrote:Steven, Gilbert, Jones, Ray, Saunders..... Have poor disposal
He left, as you rightly said because he was not rated.... Like Luke Ball. He wants a fresh start to eliminate the reputation he has forged with attitudinal mistakes at StK. will he make it? I think so.... Should he have been delisted? Probably... He didn't make the most of his time at StK and suffered because of that.
Lots of players need to be cut and then get another chance which they then appreciate...
So what's your actual point? You're saying that he should have been delisted and also that the club made a mistake in delisting him. You're saying that the club should have tried to trade him and also that they wouldn't have got anything if they tried to trade him. You're saying that he wouldn't have made it at St Kilda and also that the club should have kept him. I'm confused.
I cant understand it either. BM's reasoning is all over the shop.
I hope young Ledger gets another crack, am dissapointed he didn't stay, but it was in the best interests of all parties. Ledger needs to try again, Saints need to churn through the players, Ledger needs to give himself the best opportunity.
Cant see how the club is at fault here, but hey, I am sure they should be critisised for, well something...
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