Dear Caro

[gringo]

All I have to say is...........................................






I work with a guy and had beers with a guy and had in depth meaningful conversations with a guy who I didn't know was a head member of a bikie club and still talk to him on many issues including footy,politics, pets, being away from family, favourite beer, past girlfriends, current girlfriends in his case and parents.



Does this now make me
Affiliated to a bikie club and its dealings even tho I have never been to a bikie club, never met any other members or had any illegal dealings with them.


When I met him should I have asked him who he worked for, what his political preference is, if he was married and what his beliefs on genetically modified foods were or whether he had links to any underworld, bikie club, criminal activities past or present before I gave him the time of day?


As a professional footballer you should be trying to stay out of the limelight I agree 100%.

But would it get reported as snobbery, arrogance or discrimination if footballers ignored everyone and gave no one the time of day until knowing their background.

Saints need a no booze policy during the football season and in the off season put on a property away from everyone and journos to go about their business.

Ps I have a cattle property up here in Townsville should they want to take up the offer. I need some work done

Should call it a high altitude heavy training load program cutting scrub and do some survivor like thing where you drop them in the bush with a few dozen slabs and some food and a compass and see if they can make it out alive.

I reckon you could charge them about $400,000 for that. You can get Collingwood up there but don't give them a compass.

Funny I had a similar experience with a guy who is heavily involved in the Collingwood footy club including being a huge financial supporter and helping players start up businesses. It took me a while to actually work out he was some kind of crime boss. My wife worked with his wife when they were younger and we all used to catch up. The guy is as nice as any one you would meet and you would never guess - or maybe I'm slow.

[DWOODROW]

[quote="gringo"][quote="DWOODROW"]All I have to say is...........................................






I work with a guy and had beers with a guy and had in depth meaningful conversations with a guy who I didn't know was a head member of a bikie club and still talk to him on many issues including footy,politics, pets, being away from family, favourite beer, past girlfriends, current girlfriends in his case and parents.



Does this now make me
Affiliated to a bikie club and its dealings even tho I have never been to a bikie club, never met any other members or had any illegal dealings with them.


When I met him should I have asked him who he worked for, what his political preference is, if he was married and what his beliefs on genetically modified foods were or whether he had links to any underworld, bikie club, criminal activities past or present before I gave him the time of day?


As a professional footballer you should be trying to stay out of the limelight I agree 100%.

But would it get reported as snobbery, arrogance or discrimination if footballers ignored everyone and gave no one the time of day until knowing their background.

Saints need a no booze policy during the football season and in the off season put on a property away from everyone and journos to go about their business.

Ps I have a cattle property up here in Townsville should they want to take up the offer. I need some work done[/quote]

Should call it a high altitude heavy training load program cutting scrub and do some survivor like thing where you drop them in the bush with a few dozen slabs and some food and a compass and see if they can make it out alive.

I reckon you could charge them about $400,000 for that. You can get Collingwood up there but don't give them a compass.

Funny I had a similar experience with a guy who is heavily involved in the Collingwood footy club including being a huge financial supporter and helping players start up businesses. It took me a while to actually work out he was some kind of crime boss. My wife worked with his wife when they were younger and we all used to catch up. The guy is as nice as any one you would meet and you would never guess - or maybe I'm slow.[/quote]


Haha I will see if I can get happening

[Dave McNamara]

Funny I had a similar experience with a guy who is heavily involved in the Collingwood footy club including being a huge financial supporter and helping players start up businesses. It took me a while to actually work out he was some kind of crime boss. My wife worked with his wife when they were younger and we all used to catch up.

You knew John Wren, Gringo...?

[saintbob]

The bitch has had another crack tonight!!!

[SaintPav]

What did she say?

[jimmy_slats]

what did she say? fk i hate that sl*t!!

[plugger66]

what did she say? fk i hate that sl*t!!

I love that comment. Good stuff. fancy a friggin woman having a go at our club. Its obvious she roots around.

[jimmy_slats]

she is a media sl*t and way to stick up for her... what has she been around to give you a wristy?

[magnifisaint]

she is a media sl*t and way to stick up for her... what has she been around to give you a wristy?

Love it

[plugger66]

she is a media sl*t and way to stick up for her... what has she been around to give you a wristy?

No thats really good stuff. Love it. And your parents paid for your schooling? Im sorry but calling someone a sl*t because thay have a go at our club isnt actually pathetic and makes me wonder why we have compulsary schooling if people cant think of other things to say about girls they disagree with.

[jimmy_slats]

it was a reference to the lengths she will go to milk a story from anything and yes my parents did pay for my school did yours? i can call her what ever i feel like there is no law against it just your opinion which is all anyone on here gets when they give theirs!

[plugger66]

it was a reference to the lengths she will go to milk a story from anything and yes my parents did pay for my school did yours? i can call her what ever i feel like there is no law against it just your opinion which is all anyone on here gets when they give theirs!

No my parents didnt pay for schooling as i went to a public school. And yes you can call anyone anything you like. Its just proves that paying school fees doesnt equate to saying things that should be left in the school yard.

Why not just say she writes crap? Why say the word sl*t?

[evertonfc]

lets have a look at the clean image of the Saints since 2003

Lawrence

Milne/Montagna allegations

Fraser Gehrig - too pissed for Bankok

Thomas/ Butters tearing the club apart

Pregnant School Scandal

Nude Photo's of players

Players on booze and drugs in NZ

Lovett - Rape trial

Milne charged with rape

Saad takes banned substance

Dwarf set on fire.

Yes we are as clean as they come.

Anyone who thinks our culture is clean is dead wrong.

I think it's improved, but that's because the whole league has. However, we have issues. And we shouldn't keep our head in the sand.

Pleasingly, I think the club-issued video after the Jones-Dwarf incident suggests that some of the players are fed up with the actions of others.

I know some will dismiss it as a PR stunt, but the language they used was really quite telling - wanting to make us "proud" to be Saints fans. That suggested to me they know how embarrassing it can be when, after another scandal, we meet a newbie and disclose our team.

Our culture has been garbage at times over the past decade. Not our football culture - GT instilled a winning mentality that RL built upon - but our respect for the society in which we operate.

I've seen many of our players acting like fools on the drink and on the town, and heard double the stories. Most of which never see the light of day. A lot of it sickens me, actually.

It's one thing to have characters - they're great. But there's a difference between being a character and a d**khead.

My solution? No more tolerance. The players can be social, sure.

But they need to know that if they choose to screw up off the field, they choose to lower the colours of the club and also choose to terminate their employment.

[jimmy_slats]

it was a reference to the lengths she will go to milk a story from anything and yes my parents did pay for my school did yours? i can call her what ever i feel like there is no law against it just your opinion which is all anyone on here gets when they give theirs!

No my parents didnt pay for schooling as i went to a public school. And yes you can call anyone anything you like. Its just proves that paying school fees doesnt equate to saying things that should be left in the school yard.

Why not just say she writes crap? Why say the word sl*t?

i went to public schooling to but parents still have to pay money and yes i could of said other words but that is just how strong my hatred is for her.... if she was more inclined to not act as one the majority of the time i truly believe i would have a much different opinion of her.

[thejiggingsaint]

evertonfc; well said my friend! Yours is one of the very best posts that I have seen on this forum concerning the issue. Perhaps one of the reasons we have been seen as a rabble by so many in the footy world, could be the willingness by so many to deny that a problem exists. The assertion by some posters that "we are no different to every other club in the AFL regarding off field misbehavior" simply is no defence for such behavior, just a condemnation of the whole AFL "culture". To come out with personal attacks (some in the most vile terms) against Caroline Wilson for her opinion as a defence for the indefensible is concrete evidence of the willingness of many to maintain the myth that we have no problem to sort out. I agree with you that we are beginning to see the start of a whole campaign by SW and Pelchen to root-out this misbehavior from the club. The video is a good start. As I say, at the risk of repeating myself, if we don't want to see Caroline Wilson (and others) writing "crap" about the club, then DONT GIVE THEM AMMUNITION!

[st_Trav_ofWA]

i dont normally "buy in" to the "Caro hates us" line but last nights footy classified made it hard not to....
firstly there is the talk about Hutchy getting the boot ... caro words it as Hutchy walks out on St Kilda
second the talk about Dustin martin - she says it was Richmond who told Martin not to go on holiday with Fisher and Armo ...

now my understanding is Hutchy was sacked and Watters asked Fisher and Armo to not holiday with Martin .. yet she twists it to make us look bad twice ... then later in the show they have a go about the wheels falling off and culture problems at St Kilda based on clints dumb move and an old rumour about Fisher from the start of the year ... no mention of Rich at brissy... glossed over Martin by saying Richmaon have done every thing in their power to help him ...
Caro makes the Tiges look like the heros and dusty the villan

[Kickit]

There are a whole heap of unrelated issues. How can you possibly relate something Milne and Montagna may have done a decade ago with Jones lighting peoples shirts.
You cant, so they come up with the intangible "culture" tag, and suggest that someone else should find a way to fix it.

[Moods]

it was a reference to the lengths she will go to milk a story from anything and yes my parents did pay for my school did yours? i can call her what ever i feel like there is no law against it just your opinion which is all anyone on here gets when they give theirs!

No my parents didnt pay for schooling as i went to a public school. And yes you can call anyone anything you like. Its just proves that paying school fees doesnt equate to saying things that should be left in the school yard.

Why not just say she writes crap? Why say the word sl*t?

i went to public schooling to but parents still have to pay money and yes i could of said other words but that is just how strong my hatred is for her.... if she was more inclined to not act as one the majority of the time i truly believe i would have a much different opinion of her.

Jimmy - you just proved what a classless bogan you are. You reckon you can call ppl any names you like? What bubble do you live in? Grow up mate. No-one says you have to like the lady, in fact no problem with hating the lady. But show some intellect. Your name calling is akin to a trashy year 8 school girl.

Say whatever you like about Caro, but saying that she runs with the majority is plain ignorant. Is that why most in the footy world hate her? Because she runs with the majority? Or is it because she couldn't care less whose feathers she ruffles.

Your parents paid for you schooling? Well at least they saved some money, cos by the tone of your posts they would have only had to have paid for no more than 3 years.....

[twirlyhair]

it was a reference to the lengths she will go to milk a story from anything and yes my parents did pay for my school did yours? i can call her what ever i feel like there is no law against it just your opinion which is all anyone on here gets when they give theirs!

Classy classy stuff. The old 'its a free world' dumbass attitude. Yeah let's say whatever we want and offend as many people as we want because 'there is no law against it it is just your opinion' People like you do far more damage to this world than your tiny mind could possibly imagine.

[stinger]

i dont normally "buy in" to the "Caro hates us" line but last nights footy classified made it hard not to....
firstly there is the talk about Hutchy getting the boot ... caro words it as Hutchy walks out on St Kilda
second the talk about Dustin martin - she says it was Richmond who told Martin not to go on holiday with Fisher and Armo ...

now my understanding is Hutchy was sacked and Watters asked Fisher and Armo to not holiday with Martin .. yet she twists it to make us look bad twice ... then later in the show they have a go about the wheels falling off and culture problems at St Kilda based on clints dumb move and an old rumour about Fisher from the start of the year ... no mention of Rich at brissy... glossed over Martin by saying Richmaon have done every thing in their power to help him ...
Caro makes the Tiges look like the heros and dusty the villan

i think your comments are closer to the mark than others on this thread....

[jimmy_slats]

Sorry im the name caller am i? Im not the one making jokes about my parents you prick! Just because someone uses a word that is not well liked dosent make them illiterit it makes the person going on about ignorant. All i have done is use a word where as you have made judment on me my life style my parents and my intelect... Now you tell me whos the year 8 school girl here and what bubble your living you ignorant person. And i never said she runs with the majority if you had read my post properly.

[twirlyhair]

she is a media sl*t and way to stick up for her... what has she been around to give you a wristy?

Okay then, try explaining how this is not offensive. By the way, I hope you see the irony In relation to your spelling and the premise of your last post.

[jimmy_slats]

Im on my phone so i dont really care about that and if you continue to read what i have said it was that she will do anything to milk a story to from what ever souce she can gather no matter how credible they are

[twirlyhair]

Im on my phone so i dont really care about that and if you continue to read what i have said it was that she will do anything to milk a story to from what ever souce she can gather no matter how credible they are

The argument is not with what you said, it is with the sexist and derogatory manner with which you say it. Okay?

[Moods]

And i never said she runs with the majority if you had read my post properly.

Just re-read your excuse for a post again. And through the appalling grammar, hate and vitriol, I realised I had misinterpreted your jumbled mess of words masquerading as a sentence. My mistake. I apologise.