Official Trade Rumours thread (all in here please)

[SaintWodonga]

What would the Saints give up for Bruce? A 3rd rounder?

[Ralphy]

i reckon a 3rd rounder would be suficiant,.

[maverick]

Not sure GWS would want a 3rd rounder, that's the problem....

[dragit]

Not sure GWS would want a 3rd rounder, that's the problem....

Sam Fisher...

[maverick]

Not sure GWS would want a 3rd rounder, that's the problem....

Sam Fisher...

Maybe?
Montagna and their 2nd pick?

[Stillwaiting]

Not sure GWS would want a 3rd rounder, that's the problem....

Sam Fisher...

That won't do it, I reckon they will expect more than a third rounder,

[Ralphy]

Not sure GWS would want a 3rd rounder, that's the problem....

Sam Fisher...

Maybe?
Montagna and their 2nd pick?

no way is bruce worth montagna alone.

[maverick]

Not sure GWS would want a 3rd rounder, that's the problem....

Sam Fisher...

no way is bruce worth montagna alone.

Sorry I meant Bruce and their second pick for Joey

[dragit]

If we trade away our second pick (early 20-something) we have to trade out a quality player to get a similar back.

We have to get more quality young mids into the side.

GWS don't have huge bargaining power here, they have to reduce their list, they have 4-5 better key defenders, we have 3rd pick in the PSD… Melbourne probably don't need him.

Get Bruce to say he won't go to any other club, just like all the other clubs have done to us

[SinCitySainter]

McEvoy for their 2nd pick and Bruce.
People keep saying that Big Ben is only worth a second rounder but McEvoy is a ruckman who can take a contested mark, these players are worth their weight in gold.

[FQF]

Does he even have to go to the draft? Isn't there a new way to sign up uncontracted players just like we did with Roberton?

[dragit]

Does he even have to go to the draft? Isn't there a new way to sign up uncontracted players just like we did with Roberton?

It's a good question… GWS have indicated they want to keep him so I'm not sure he qualifies - yet. If he is later de-listed then he qualifies. Sounds like a loop-hole to me though, surely any player who is not willing to sign a new contract will eventually be de-listed?

Essentially Martin could be de-listed if they can't come to terms, and Richmond receive nothing? So the club essentially has no power here?

* A player has served seven seasons or fewer of AFL football at one club, and is now out of contract.

The player is not eligible for free agency if his club wishes to retain him. He may only move clubs via a trade or the draft. If he delists himself, he is subject to the draft, and may be selected by any club.
A player has served seven seasons or fewer of AFL football at one club, and has been delisted by his club.

The player is a free agent and is eligible to field offers from all rival AFL clubs.

The player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.

The player can move automatically to the new club of his choice.

His original club, which chose to delist him, does not receive any compensation pick for the loss of the player.

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[FQF]

Does he even have to go to the draft? Isn't there a new way to sign up uncontracted players just like we did with Roberton?

It's a good question… GWS have indicated they want to keep him so I'm not sure he qualifies - yet. If he is later de-listed then he qualifies. Sounds like a loop-hole to me though, surely any player who is not willing to sign a new contract will eventually be de-listed?

Essentially Martin could be de-listed if they can't come to terms, and Richmond receive nothing? So the club essentially has no power here?

* A player has served seven seasons or fewer of AFL football at one club, and is now out of contract.

The player is not eligible for free agency if his club wishes to retain him. He may only move clubs via a trade or the draft. If he delists himself, he is subject to the draft, and may be selected by any club.
A player has served seven seasons or fewer of AFL football at one club, and has been delisted by his club.

The player is a free agent and is eligible to field offers from all rival AFL clubs.

The player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.

The player can move automatically to the new club of his choice.

His original club, which chose to delist him, does not receive any compensation pick for the loss of the player.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl- ... z2eRg3TcSV

Sounds like that could lead to situations of a standoff between player and club. Player refuses to sign a new contract, but will not "delist himself". Asking for trouble it seems/

[dragit]

Seems like a terrible loop-hole to me…

What if say Collingwood convince Jack Steven to go there… we offer him the world but he refuses to stay. Collingwood offer us a third or fourth round pick only, of course we refuse… but we have absolutely no way of keeping him, so in the end have to de-list him, Collingwood pick him up as a de-listed free agent, we get nothing?

A bit like the Luke Ball scenario, but even worse as Collingwood don't have to use a pick.

Is that right?

Do we have to wait for this to happen before we close this loop-hole?

[Dis Believer]

Seems like a terrible loop-hole to me…

What if say Collingwood convince Jack Steven to go there… we offer him the world but he refuses to stay. Collingwood offer us a third or fourth round pick only, of course we refuse… but we have absolutely no way of keeping him, so in the end have to de-list him, Collingwood pick him up as a de-listed free agent, we get nothing?

A bit like the Luke Ball scenario, but even worse as Collingwood don't have to use a pick.

Is that right?

Do we have to wait for this to happen before we close this loop-hole?

DIdn't it happen already with ROberton? I thought we picked him up as a delisted free agent. Seems to me that it's open slather already.....

[dragit]

DIdn't it happen already with ROberton? I thought we picked him up as a delisted free agent. Seems to me that it's open slather already.....

Yeah, that's right, we enjoyed the spoils with Roberton, but wait till it effects a big name.

There must be some safe guard in place or trade week is essentially obsolete?

[SinCitySainter]

Simple solution is if you want to keep the player you don't de-list him.
If he refuses to sign you stand your ground and make him de-list himself at which point he must go to the draft.
Freo agreed to de-list Roberton because he wanted to come back to Melbourne and they couldn't get the trade done.
They did it as a gesture of good-will to the player.
Believe me had it been Fyfe or someone they really wanted to keep they wouldn't have de-listed him.

[Richter]

Simple solution is if you want to keep the player you don't de-list him.
If he refuses to sign you stand your ground and make him de-list himself at which point he must go to the draft.
Freo agreed to de-list Roberton because he wanted to come back to Melbourne and they couldn't get the trade done.
They did it as a gesture of good-will to the player.
Believe me had it been Fyfe or someone they really wanted to keep they wouldn't have de-listed him.

This. If the club refuse to de-list the player and the player refuses to de-list himself then the player misses out on being able to play AFL footy for the following year. So one or other has to budge.

If Freo had played hardball then Roberton would have had to de-list himself and nominate for the draft (either national or PSD depending on the timing of him de-listing himself). There he could have been picked up by any club, which would have had to use a dp on him too. Freo were kind to both Roberton and to St Kilda. Of course they were able to pick up Dawson in the PSD for nothing the previous year, so perhaps they thought they owed us a solid anyway.

[FQF]

Simple solution is if you want to keep the player you don't de-list him.
If he refuses to sign you stand your ground and make him de-list himself at which point he must go to the draft.
Freo agreed to de-list Roberton because he wanted to come back to Melbourne and they couldn't get the trade done.
They did it as a gesture of good-will to the player.
Believe me had it been Fyfe or someone they really wanted to keep they wouldn't have de-listed him.

This. If the club refuse to de-list the player and the player refuses to de-list himself then the player misses out on being able to play AFL footy for the following year. So one or other has to budge.

If Freo had played hardball then Roberton would have had to de-list himself and nominate for the draft (either national or PSD depending on the timing of him de-listing himself). There he could have been picked up by any club, which would have had to use a dp on him too. Freo were kind to both Roberton and to St Kilda. Of course they were able to pick up Dawson in the PSD for nothing the previous year, so perhaps they thought they owed us a solid anyway.

All true, but GWS must delist a certain number of players, and they no doubt would not want someone on their list who doesn't even have a contract to play with them. Seems absurd.

[Kickit]

GWS only have to delist enough players to draft.
Their 2013 list is 50.
Their 2014 allowable list is 50.

By 2015 they have to get down to 48.

Its not a factor and people should stop saying it is.

[dragit]

GWS only have to delist enough players to draft.
Their 2013 list is 50.
Their 2014 allowable list is 50.

By 2015 they have to get down to 48.

Its not a factor and people should stop saying it is.

But if he won't sign a contract, they will have to delist him… and with his favoured club with pick 3 in the PSD, we are in a good posi.

[FQF]

GWS only have to delist enough players to draft.
Their 2013 list is 50.
Their 2014 allowable list is 50.

By 2015 they have to get down to 48.

Its not a factor and people should stop saying it is.

Whether or not they have to delist, no team would want a spot on their list being taken up by a player who has no prospect whatsoever of playing. It simply stops the development of another player, and is counterproductive to team management.
And for what? To stand their ground and make a point? It just won't happen.

[mightysainters]

Apparently chasing a GWS young KP backman

[noob]

I hope Watters and co doesn't do a Michael Voss and gets all excited with the extra cap space and make recruiting decisions that aren't necessary. To be honest I think it's ridiculous that they are mentioning about being aggressive, needing a key back and also wanting 3 or 4 top 20 picks by the end of the trade period. We are probably going to have to pay overs in most circumstances now that all opposition clubs know what we are trying to achieve.

[joffaboy]

I hope Watters and co doesn't do a Michael Voss and gets all excited with the extra cap space and make recruiting decisions that aren't necessary. To be honest I think it's ridiculous that they are mentioning about being aggressive, needing a key back and also wanting 3 or 4 top 20 picks by the end of the trade period. We are probably going to have to pay overs in most circumstances now that all opposition clubs know what we are trying to achieve.

Dont think it was much of a secret.