How much stronger would we be if

[Greg T]

Tom Lynch seems like a gun....now.
Why did he leave ?.....

He was firing blanks at the Saints.
He asked to be traded.

Cheers M
What a shame ,he's looking the Goods now

[dragit]

How much stronger would we be if we still had on the list,

Matt Maguire
Luke Ball
Tom Lynch
Brendon Goddard
and even Zac Dawson, Raph Clarke, and Jason Gram.

Back to your original question though baz...

I reckon we'd obviously be a lot stronger and win plenty of games, but I'm not sure that it would be a premiership threat. Would be a very old starting line-up though and we still wouldn't be getting games into our next generation of players...

[BigMart]

Our competitiveness would be better right now.... But we'd still be on the wane...

What's been F***ed up is recruitment and development.

But hey, NO ONE AT SS would have a bar of it for 4 years.... Inarticulate when it was pointed out in 2009 by a few posters (howled down by the same who blame it now) now that's hindsight.... To actually change your view after the fact...
Anyone can do that

[ralphsmith]

How much stronger would we be if we still had on the list,

Matt Maguire
Luke Ball
Tom Lynch
Brendon Goddard
and even Zac Dawson, Raph Clarke, and Jason Gram.

raph clarke.....
i took your post seriously until that ...

[SydneySainter]

Goddard & Ball, a definite yes.

Lynch, would have been good to see him get a season under Watters.

Zac, due to our depressing lack of tall timber down back, would be handy.

Gram, don't think we would be any better. Enough sloppy kicks on the list already.

Raph, even cats have 9 lives.

[Spinner]

Lynch is holding down CHF for Adelaide
Maguire still performing at FB for Brisbane.

Performing is a loose word...

[plugger66]

Our competitiveness would be better right now.... But we'd still be on the wane...

What's been F***ed up is recruitment and development.

But hey, NO ONE AT SS would have a bar of it for 4 years.... Inarticulate when it was pointed out in 2009 by a few posters (howled down by the same who blame it now) now that's hindsight.... To actually change your view after the fact...
Anyone can do that

Howled down because you said players werent good enough because there wasnt photos. That is why. It was logical.

[saintbob]

guys Zac was made to look good by floating defenders... please think to 2011 season.. we was found out a lot.

Goose would still love to have him... Ball 100% Goddard... he's missed for sure.

Agree 100%

[mightysainters]

definitely miss Raph and Gram the most

We miss Ball and Goddard, and to a lesser extent Dawson

[St.Roly]

As a player I really admired, I have often considered the "should we have kept him" question re Goose. I think he has to date clocked up almost 50 games for the Lions in about 3.5 seasons - not a fixture in the team but still useful. Overall, while I would still like to have him around I couldn't criticise the decision at the time to let him go.

As for Luke Ball - I admired him even more (naming my son Luke may or may not have had something to do with who was wearing no.14 for the Saints at the time) and am still too traumatised to discuss...

[Furphy]

If we're breaking out the gin, you might as well add Nat Fyfe in there... We could have taken him with the pick we gave away for Lovett.

Are you referring to the Gilbey's Gin factory near our old home ground?

[Furphy]

http://localhistory.kingston.vic.gov.au ... le/235.htm

[skeptic]

Our competitiveness would be better right now.... But we'd still be on the wane...

What's been F***ed up is recruitment and development.

But hey, NO ONE AT SS would have a bar of it for 4 years.... Inarticulate when it was pointed out in 2009 by a few posters (howled down by the same who blame it now) now that's hindsight.... To actually change your view after the fact...
Anyone can do that

Howled down because you said players werent good enough because there wasnt photos. That is why. It was logical.

can you quote that one for us plugger?

I know you're a stickler for it when some points out the things you say

[plugger66]

Our competitiveness would be better right now.... But we'd still be on the wane...

What's been F***ed up is recruitment and development.

But hey, NO ONE AT SS would have a bar of it for 4 years.... Inarticulate when it was pointed out in 2009 by a few posters (howled down by the same who blame it now) now that's hindsight.... To actually change your view after the fact...
Anyone can do that

Howled down because you said players werent good enough because there wasnt photos. That is why. It was logical.

can you quote that one for us plugger?

I know you're a stickler for it when some points out the things you say

I can but I couldnt be bothered. Probably get a warning for baiting. Look it up yourself if you want to prove me wrrong and the great man right.

[skeptic]

i never suggested there was a wrong or a right

i do find it hard to believe BM wrote off a player he hadn't seen because of a photo. Given that you and a few others frequently bring it up, I'd just like to see that the criticism is valid.

won't bother looking it up myself as we're talking a few years back

[Beno88]

If we still had those seven, Ross, Wright, Saunders, Murdoch, Lee, Newnes and Webster probably wouldn't have played a game and our development would be two years behind where it is.

[elizabethr]

Still missing Birss and Fiora..

[gringo]

I wish we picked up Kobe Stevens still.

[Dis Believer]

now that's hindsight.... To actually change your view after the fact...
Anyone can do that

Coming from an expert I'll take that on face value.

[StThomo]

I'd have far less sleepless nights and be very confident with the following or similar mix:
B: DEMPSTER DAWSON ROBERTON
HB: GRAM MAGUIRE GILBERT
M: GODDARD MCEVOY BALL
DALSANTO HAYES STEVEN
HF: ARMITAGE RIEWOLDT MONTAGNA
F: MILNE LYNCH FISHER
I/C: KOSI, SIMPKIN, SCHNEIDER, SAAD, GWILT,
CLARKE.R, JONES, MILERA, MAISTER,
BLAKE, STANLEY, RAY, GEARY, LEE
NEWNES

[QuestionOfAccuracy]

Ball and Goddard are the key ones. You don't let champions of your club walk away.

[plugger66]

Ball and Goddard are the key ones. You don't let champions of your club walk away.

Ball went long ago. If BJ plays this year what actually happens apart from us having to pay about 800k a year for another 3 years which may stuff up our fight back up the ladder.

[LTN16]

Agree with most people's post's.

But raph clarke seriously!!?? We would not be a better team with him still playing!!

[BigMart]

Could we afford all of them in the cap?

Goddard 800?
Ball 400?

Not sure??

Dawson would possibly be the most important being a 195 defender.... I never rated him as a saint or a player for some reason, even though he played some good footy at StK.

The rest I considered Saints to the core.... All seemed anguished by their decision to leave, but felt it necessary to do so??

[stinger]

How much stronger would we be if we still had on the list,

Matt Maguire
Luke Ball
Tom Lynch
Brendon Goddard
and even Zac Dawson, Raph Clarke, and Jason Gram.

you can chuck in jack riewoldt, jack darling and cyril rioli...all players i and a heap of others on here wanted to recruit...but the club in all its wisdom choose to pass on.....