Saints in the paper again!

[SainterK]

I'm still angry.

I know he is probably a good kid.

However how many meetings must he have been in that told him to check this stuff out.

We have meetings right?

Heck, they've probably had even more meetings in light of the Dons saga.

With the off field issues, combined with the on field performance, we'll be lucky to hit 20K members next year.

[Iceman234]

We all feel the pain K.

How very stupid in the environment, you'd check with the club doc before taking a Strepsils FFS at the moment...

[jonesy]

It's really taken the gloss off what is just great times watching the disassembly of the second most arrogant club on the planet

[meher baba]

Obviously we don't know the whole story yet, but - if Saad tested positive for something which was in a product he obtained through a sponsorship deal - does the St Kilda management have a responsibility here?

One senses that the (allegedly) very well-remunerated club management isn't exactly on top of things at the moment.

Issues around "dietary supplements", "protein powders" and the like have been causing confern around the sports sector for some time now. If I were running a professional sporting club, I would demand full disclosure from all players about any supplements they are taking (and any drugs, licit or illicit). Full disclosure would be a contract condition so that I would have the power to treat any non-disclosure as a breach of contract. And I would fully investigate anything disclosed to me.

In my book, it's called effectivr management, and it's the sort of thing that would always have a massively greater priority than pointless planning meetings with butchers paper, long lunches with sponsors, etc.

The devil is always in the detail and a good manager - one who is truly worth a salary of many hundreds of $k - is 100% sure that they have processes in place to manage the detail.

So, in short, is this another symptom of a wider problem at our club?

[Teflon]

Just p!ssed off we are taking some heat of Bombers!!

Pathetic

[ROLS-LEE]

I cant believe how quickly his name was leaked.

It took Jobe to confess before anyone knew who had taken supplements at Essendon which was months and less than 24hrs for Saad's name to be revealed.

[Zed]

I cant believe how quickly his name was leaked.

It took Jobe to confess before anyone knew who had taken supplements at Essendon which was months and less than 24hrs for Saad's name to be revealed.

Maybe it was deliberately leaked so that the media didn't spend time speculating who was involved.

[mullet]

Just p!ssed off we are taking some heat of Bombers!!

Pathetic

Tef, I dont think it is taking the heat off the bombers. I think the general public realise that this is nothing like the Essendon saga.
Unfortunately the precedent is there so Saad will pay a big price.
However, it certainly doesnt let Essendon off the hook. Did you see Hird this morning, he looks a broken man.

[SainterK]

Did you see Hird this morning, he looks a broken man.

The further you elevate yourself, the further you fall..

[mullet]

Did you see Hird this morning, he looks a broken man.

The further you elevate yourself, the further you fall..

It is almost frightening isnt it K, how this guy is some sort of Messiah to all at EFC. It kind of makes me feel ill when I see Hirdy leaving his Toorak Mansion every
morning , whilst Dean has had to sell his house to pay for legal bills. And as for that new guy at EFC with the porn star mo, what a condecending comment to the
Reporter this morning, "bring me a coffee tomorrow, you are here every morning". Puke!!!!!

[SainterK]

Did you see Hird this morning, he looks a broken man.

The further you elevate yourself, the further you fall..

It is almost frightening isnt it K, how this guy is some sort of Messiah to all at EFC. It kind of makes me feel ill when I see Hirdy leaving his Toorak Mansion every
morning , whilst Dean has had to sell his house to pay for legal bills. And as for that new guy at EFC with the porn star mo, what a condecending comment to the
Reporter this morning, "bring me a coffee tomorrow, you are here every morning". Puke!!!!!

#standbyhird is the strangest slogan I've ever seen for a besieged football club.

[Johnny Member]

Is this a big issue at the Saints yet?

[dragit]

Is this a big issue at the Saints yet?

Yes it is, you've told us you don't care so why don't you forget about it.

[mr six o'clock]

Saad as an afl multicultural ambassador will be ok !

The last thing the afl would want is to be seen picking on the minorities .
All Saad has to do is give an exculsive interview to one of the networks , have a good cry , plead ignorance , mention ramadan and his beliefs !
The Afl will then give him a slap on the wrist penalty .

[Dr Spaceman]

Saad as an afl multicultural ambassador will be ok !

The last thing the afl would want is to be seen picking on the minorities .
All Saad has to do is give an exculsive interview to one of the networks , have a good cry , plead ignorance , mention ramadan and his beliefs !
The Afl will then give him a slap on the wrist penalty .

Well on that point you would have to say that both St Kilda AND the AFL are Saady's employer and therefore each must share any responsibility and fallout from his discretion.

[saintsRrising]

Obviously we don't know the whole story yet, but - if Saad tested positive for something which was in a product he obtained through a sponsorship deal - does the St Kilda management have a responsibility here?

Perhaps the club could have done more.

However the AFL and even AFL players Association also brief players on drugs and there responsibilities.

Second year in the AFL = ample time to absorb information.

So where was Saad's common sense?

Unfortunately players and people make mistakes, and bad assumptions and/or put trust in the wrong people. With drugs in sport carelessness is not a defence.

[matrix]

yup afte rhis B sample comes back he should do an interview

explain to everyone how easy it is to completely f*** something up by not paying attention

if he gets two years i doubt he'll get paid
how you going to eat, pay rent get fuel??

get darcy to do the interview
you know, the next oprah


seriously the education is there, cricky the products are there at eh club that are all safe with mushashi

pure and utter numptiness really

[Johnny Member]

Is this a big issue at the Saints yet?

Yes it is, you've told us you don't care so why don't you forget about it.

How big?

What's the damage?

[Johnny Member]

I heard the club was contacted about the result, and they called him in.

He was baffled.

They asked him if he'd taken anything, and went through his routine.

He was told what he had for breakfast, did this, did that, drank a shake, did this, did that...


They startled and jumped in when he mentioned the shake, and basically put their head in their hands at how he could be so stupid. Then went back to the AFL with the story.

[plugger66]

Is this a big issue at the Saints yet?

Maybe you cant read but it was front page of the papers and first item in the news not that you care but you still comment. Strange.

[bergsone]

Would you play Saad this week ?,struggling to get a kick as it is

[Dr Spaceman]

Would you play Saad this week ?,struggling to get a kick as it is

On form it would have to be with Sandy.

Sandy this week play host to Essendon.

Oh the irony

[St. Luke]

Mate it was a joke because he hasnt played in a winning side since the test if the dates given are right. Of course we wont lose points. I reckon St Luke was taking the piss as well.

[/quote]


I was

[StevieSaint]

The drink Saady had is only not allowed on match day. You can have it during the week for training. DMAA is banned but was massive the last 2 years in the gym industry pre-workout drinks such as Jack3d and Mesamorph. It gives you a slight energy boost, eg instead of doing 6-7 reps you can do 7-8. Instead of doing 8 chin ups you can get out 9 maybe 10. But after you take it every day for two weeks your body gets used to it and the effect is gone, you then have to use more and more until there is no point taking the supplement or you stop taking it for a month and take something else and then take it again after a break for a boost for a couple weeks before your body gets used to it again. People at my gym take the double recommended dose and are still yawning because it doesn't do anything anymore.

[gringo]

Every one is jumping at conclusions. He might have got the shakes off the company that the club said was an okay product. They might have told him it was alright but they changed the formula. The company might have claimed it was ASADA compliant etc. Everyone assumes he was a moron but maybe he was poorly lead or advised. We have to let it play out to find out now. We want answers quickly these days but government bodies are like melting ice.