You have to be kidding.

[MC Gusto]

Yep we are in real strife and drawing comparisons with the cats is fair IMO. We are perennial failures. There is nothing in our history that would suggest otherwise and given we had our decade at the top with nothing to show for it just adds weight to the tag / argument.

[MC Gusto]

I also think that watters is very much in the gt mould (which I don't mind to be honest) good motivator, gets the team playing for each other, strong 'manager' but tactically on the day I've seen nothing, not one iota of what you get from a Lyon or otherwise.

[Cairnsman]

just hurts harder on the downward slope, because its not guarunteed that we will ever be on the upward slope again

A bit dramatic. Look at Richmond, they're sloping upwards. Only took them 30 years. Be patient (or maybe die waiting!).

A bit...bugger me silly...it's a complete slash your wrists moment.

I'm also finding hilarious the comparisons to Melbourne.

[SaintPav]

Pigs arse.

LURVE the positivity but it's a bit too fatalistic for me.

What about all the great wins we have had?

I'd rather be us than Dogscray. They can't even make grand finals.

We'll come again.

[ShanghaiSaint]

storm teams move in cycles... bar the cats (freaks) no one stays at the top for ever.. please take a deep breath relax and think how nice it willl be when we're back up the top.

[samuraisaint]

We'l be back. Strong off field leadership would be nice. It would also be nice to poach a couple of early career defenders from a couple of clubs.

[dragit]

Yep we are in real strife and drawing comparisons with the cats is fair IMO. We are perennial failures. There is nothing in our history that would suggest otherwise and given we had our decade at the top with nothing to show for it just adds weight to the tag / argument.

The cats? They went flagless for nearly 50 years... They are having a great era courtesy of a bungled recruiting law... But stop holding them up to be some god-like foundation, they were perennial failures for 4.5 decades.

[HitTheBoundary]

I made the comment about StK and you made one about me....

No, actually you called anyone that doesn't agree with you "cronies and apologists".

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your imagined moral integrity and superiority.

As for the saints, this year and next year we'll be down the bottom.
We'll lose some stars, and then have to wait until all of the young guys get to around the 50 game mark.
As we've seen with Jack Steven around this time players can improve dramatically.
If we don't start to win more games at that time, then we may be down the bottom for a long time.

But until these players get to 50 games, for me, the jury is out.

[sippo]

Yep we are in real strife and drawing comparisons with the cats is fair IMO. We are perennial failures. There is nothing in our history that would suggest otherwise and given we had our decade at the top with nothing to show for it just adds weight to the tag / argument.

The cats? They went flagless for nearly 50 years... They are having a great era courtesy of a bungled recruiting law... But stop holding them up to be some god-like foundation, they were perennial failures for 4.5 decades.

perhaps so,but no wooden spoon in that 4.5 decades and numerous finals appearnces in those 4.5 decades

[Sainternist]

Saints, you've become a laughing stock and a massive disappointment to your adoring fans.
Is anybody asking questions of Scott Watters, Mark Neeld took over a rubbish team and was sacked because they were rubbish, Scott took over a team that had played in 3 GF's and has turned them into Melbourne.
We have Roo, Lenny, Joey, Fish, Milney and Dal, recent Superstars and we are being flogged.
We criticised Ross for not playing the kids, how many of the kids that Scott has played have kicked on, they are soft.
How on earth is the Nettlefold regime able to continue, the appalling decisions that have been made in recent years, yet no-one takes responsibility.
All clubs need a champion halfback / midfielder, we had one. he's starring at the Bombers,
We need a tough in and under player, we had one. he's playing at Collingwood.

Saints, hang your heads in shame. When you next negotiate your contracts, ask yourselves: what have I done to deserve this?

Well, you'd better get used to it.

We're well and truly in rebuilding phase. All about doing the hard yards now.

[MrCordz]

What a crock
Superstars .... Fisher was woeful in 2011 and 2012 and injured in 2013.
Lenny has played what 3 games this year?
Milney is 33 over the hill and up on rape charges.
Get real.
On every measure our recruitment and trading performance from 2006 to 2010 was abysmal.
We were always going to pay hard for that.
Screamingly for.people to be sacked and.talking about how good we were 4 years ago.

The OP seems to advocating a time machine and thinks we can go back to 2009.

Our youngsters are not soft. Our problem is we have no good players in their core peak age of 23 to 28.
Our list is hollow to the core. We then attempted to get short cut fix to that problem with tdl saad and milera. Another major stuff up
. Why recruit 3 mid aged blokes who all play the same position and are a bit soft ?
Shocking decision.
We need a new president asap.
We need to formally separate the coach to the recruitment decisions.
We need a thorough professional and I would say external list review report done asap or before the trade period starts.

This a far more reasonable assessment IMO - Supporters can get logic confused with emotion after a big defeat. We didn't have a lot to play for last night. Last week everyone believed we were on the right track - you get thumped by a flag favorite from 16th position on the ladder approaching finals and people call for heads to roll - relax - we beat WCE by 101 pts in 2004 - how did they go in the next few years?

[thejiggingsaint]

Roll on 2014! but for now.......GO SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ShanghaiSaint]

the good news is... we will pick up some decent picks this year and maybe next so their should be some quality on the list once we get rolling again... 2015 2016 things looking up. Youngins on our list now will have more preseasons under their belts and be getting stronger... so I am not that worried TBH.. we have some promising young players atm.

[SainterK]

I can understand the frustration to be honest.

It's not how I'd deal with it, but I kind of get where it comes from.

So close, and now SO far.

Jury is out, I don't agree the kids are soft, I want Wright Ross and Dunnel in for the rest of the year now...for mine it's about those who give a stuff when the chips are down.

Even jimmy tried all night IMO, it's that I look for.

[gringo]

Looking forward to seeing red faces from you guys when SW says to all the knockers in 3 years you were wrong.
Question to all the guys knocking are you financial members of Stkfc do you actually go to games and support the club.

I do
Before you say anything further I ain't special but I accepted the club is acting as a professional operation, hence I will commit
$$$ and go to games whilst the club goes forward.

How about for once your lives look forward "every club " makes mistakes in recruitment.

The negative results in not winning games will be rewarded with opportunities to improve list that is the system.

When do we get a like button?

[Scollop]

Saints, you've become a laughing stock and a massive disappointment to your adoring fans.

If you were a Saints fan, wouldn't you be saying "we've become a laughing stock", rather than "you've become..."

If you're trying to address the Saints players then why don't you say "Saints players have become...etc?

I smell a TROLL