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dragit wrote:Pretty commonly accepted that high altitude training takes a number of years to show results… so only a complete nuffy would point to this year as a reason not to continue with it...
Yeah more common results shown from teams with stand alone VFL sides have follow on AFL success eg Geelong, Pies Swans only a complete motard would overlook that 'dragit'.
Motard I like that… not sure what it is… but it has a good ring to it… I'll bank that one…
You do realise there are only 3 sides with a standalone VFL team yeah? One forced a rule change of the F/S system, anothe has one flag after drawing with us & the other is about to be de-registered for systematic drug cheating… probably not quite a large enough sample group to conclude much, just saying.
WinnersOnly wrote:Actually there is 7 Lions, Suns, pies, cats, bombers, swans & GWS with Bulldogs, Power & crows soon to follow, then we will be the minority.
Okay so currently 4 in the top 8 & 3 outside the top 8... At any rate, I don't think anyone is against having our own VFL side, but as mentioned, it isn't our trip to Colorado holding us back... And suggesting that we aren't suddenly seeing results yet is going earlier than con.
Colorado is a complete and utter waste of time and resources. Mt Kosi is 2,200 metres, Denver is 1,600 metres (sorry meters, it's in the USofA), much cheaper and easier to go to Thredbo. Of course the Broncos won't be there, but brumbies are the same thing.
No. NO.
High altitude training has been shown to increase VO2 (oxygen take-up) due to slightly increased red blood cell production.
Typically 3-5% improvement.
After 20 days.
Upon returning to normal altitude, VO2 returns to normal levels within a few days.
To summarise: long term exposure brings quite minor short-lived improvement.
Apparently there is a caravan at the Seaford training HQ which is set up as a low oxygen sleeping facility.
Same effect as flying thousands of km with the advantage of being in the same city as your family.
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WellardSaint wrote:No. NO.
High altitude training has been shown to increase VO2 (oxygen take-up) due to slightly increased red blood cell production.
Typically 3-5% improvement.
After 20 days.
Upon returning to normal altitude, VO2 returns to normal levels within a few days.
To summarise: long term exposure brings quite minor short-lived improvement.
Apparently there is a caravan at the Seaford training HQ which is set up as a low oxygen sleeping facility.
Same effect as flying thousands of km with the advantage of being in the same city as your family.
I only thought that the purpose of high altitude training was to give you a kick start to your training schedule when you come back for pre-season. In effect it will add a few weeks to your training program. I would have thought that could be a benefit, apart from the costs involved.
I don't have a clue... So I hereby withdraw my comments and apologise to winners only... Though I will say, if it isn't costing the club much, it would a pretty good team building trip for the players at the very least... From what i gather they were pretty excited about it last time.
Bernard Shakey wrote:Colorado is a complete and utter waste of time and resources. Mt Kosi is 2,200 metres, Denver is 1,600 metres (sorry meters, it's in the USofA), much cheaper and easier to go to Thredbo. Of course the Broncos won't be there, but brumbies are the same thing.
denver is the flat bit ... ...before the mountains even start....
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Bernard Shakey wrote:Colorado is a complete and utter waste of time and resources. Mt Kosi is 2,200 metres, Denver is 1,600 metres (sorry meters, it's in the USofA), much cheaper and easier to go to Thredbo. Of course the Broncos won't be there, but brumbies are the same thing.
Bernard Shakey wrote:Colorado is a complete and utter waste of time and resources. Mt Kosi is 2,200 metres, Denver is 1,600 metres (sorry meters, it's in the USofA), much cheaper and easier to go to Thredbo. Of course the Broncos won't be there, but brumbies are the same thing.
Good points Bernard.
As stinger pointed out… Boulder is at the foot of the rocky's… which go right upto 4,400 metres… where the players were doing hikes. The other feature is the state of the art training facilities available… which I don't think are at thredbo?
The players def pay for some of it. I don't see why they don't just fill some old car tyres with lead weights and make them run laps at Moorabin. Stick em in the high altitude simulator Jayco for some elite style training results.
Nah f%$# it lets find Dank and sack the science guy after a couple of years of doping. Tell them it's just Barocca being injected in their arses.
Bernard Shakey wrote:Colorado is a complete and utter waste of time and resources. Mt Kosi is 2,200 metres, Denver is 1,600 metres (sorry meters, it's in the USofA), much cheaper and easier to go to Thredbo. Of course the Broncos won't be there, but brumbies are the same thing.
spert wrote:Should go up to the mountainous areas of PNG over summer for training- would be cheaper than Colorado, and would toughen up mind an body.
Not quite sure if some are serious here. If so, proof that some posters don't have a clue. It's not just the altitude peeps. It's more the facilities on offer, especially for elite sports training.
soon as I read Shakey's and spert's posts I thought along these lines below....beat me to it guys
dragit wrote:
markp wrote:Or Columbia... what trouble could they possibly get into there?
I suggest they stay at Seaford and learn how to kick.
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