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Cairnsman wrote:Sydney would not take him and now that Buckley wants to develop his team on Sydney meaning be believes the modern team needs to be modelled on Sydney GP where players need to be able to play both ways, Collingwood wouldn't take him. That would rule Dal out of being suitable to Sydney or Collingwood IMO. He has always struggled with the defensive side of his game and also his ability in what he does when he hasn't got the ball. Those skills are going to be absolutely necessary for the modern midfielder and it just may be that the game has passed him by.
Well it seems 6 out of the top 8 will take him then plus others just out of the 8 who think they are chance next season.
pffft! They probably would plugger and I suppose they'll be throwing everything they can at securing a 29 year old that is 3rd and 4th best behind other midfielders in a team that is 16th on the ladder. Makes complete sense.
However he does get tagged probably first or second because he is best or second best in the team.
In a team full of good mids, it would be much harder to tag him.
Remember how ordinary Daniel Kerr looked for a couple of seasons after Cousins and Judd left the WCE. When they got a few mids in he looked a whole lot better.
Same would be with Dal Santo.
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Cairnsman wrote:Sydney would not take him and now that Buckley wants to develop his team on Sydney meaning be believes the modern team needs to be modelled on Sydney GP where players need to be able to play both ways, Collingwood wouldn't take him. That would rule Dal out of being suitable to Sydney or Collingwood IMO. He has always struggled with the defensive side of his game and also his ability in what he does when he hasn't got the ball. Those skills are going to be absolutely necessary for the modern midfielder and it just may be that the game has passed him by.
Well it seems 6 out of the top 8 will take him then plus others just out of the 8 who think they are chance next season.
pffft! They probably would plugger and I suppose they'll be throwing everything they can at securing a 29 year old that is 3rd and 4th best behind other midfielders in a team that is 16th on the ladder. Makes complete sense.
I doubt they would throw everything at him. Who was the idiot who said that. mustnt know much about footy. What i cant believe is they say BJ maybe leading the B&F for Essendon who are third on the ladder and who struggled in a side who missed the 8 last year.
IMO the club realise they won't get a 1st rounder for Dal. The club have leaked out their intention regarding Dal to the HS for strategic reasons, why? Easy to work out IMO.
.....what about the Dees as part of a trade for Frawley??? Maybe Dal and our 2nd round pick??
The Demons could use some silk on the outside as much as anyone
Why would Dal want to go to Melbourne and it would be a dog act by us to try and send him there.
plugger66 wrote:
St Chris wrote:I'd still say keep him, but.....
.....what about the Dees as part of a trade for Frawley??? Maybe Dal and our 2nd round pick??
The Demons could use some silk on the outside as much as anyone
Why would Dal want to go to that club and why would they want him. They are 4 years away at least from making the 8 let alone challenging.We arent going to get Frawley. There is no way we can get him and i still say why would he leave Melbourne to go to a club that probably hasnt bottomed out yet. Happy to hear some good reasons and that doesnt mean his Uncle played for us or he followed us as a kid.
Dollars. Although both clubs probably have cap space, we're crying out for a key back and will pay him overs. If the offer for Brown (good WAFL defender) was $400k over 3 years, Frawley would attract at least $500k. Dees wont match it because they'll be keen to attract their own A-graders (mids probably), especially if they get a high profile coach like Roos, and have signed Clark and Dawes on big cash in recent times.
My point was that the club's got this out into the media to attract a defender, not a first round pick. They realise they wont get a first rounder for a 29 y.o outside mid who is on a 1 year extension deal.
Frawley has a contract so the demons dont have to match anything but more imprtantly why would Dal want to go to Melbourne. He would be getting great money at the saints. he wont get anymore at melbourne.
Cairnsman wrote:IMO the club realise they won't get a 1st rounder for Dal. The club have leaked out their intention regarding Dal to the HS for strategic reasons, why? Easy to work out IMO.
I agree but I dont think we should get rid of him. It would be silly to do that. Cant think of any other reason at all.
plugger66 wrote:
pffft! They probably would plugger and I suppose they'll be throwing everything they can at securing a 29 year old that is 3rd and 4th best behind other midfielders in a team that is 16th on the ladder. Makes complete sense.
I doubt they would throw everything at him. Who was the idiot who said that. mustnt know much about footy. What i cant believe is they say BJ maybe leading the B&F for Essendon who are third on the ladder and who struggled in a side who missed the 8 last year.
Seriously P66. The article states that the HS believe that the club won't take anything under a round 20 DP. You claim that 6 out of top 8 will take then plus others so I assume that would mean they have to offer a top 20 DP. What's that worth? A fair bit really and in the Aussie vernacular...the kitchen sink.
Cairnsman wrote:IMO the club realise they won't get a 1st rounder for Dal. The club have leaked out their intention regarding Dal to the HS for strategic reasons, why? Easy to work out IMO.
I agree but I dont think we should get rid of him. It would be silly to do that. Cant think of any other reason at all.
I don't want to get rid of him either but if the club and coaches are anything like the growing number of supporters then they are getting very frustrated with him and so the club have gone on the front foot with the leak to the HS reporter.
I reckon the stats that they put in the paper were designed to embarrass/deflate his ego and soften him up for a pending round of negotiations/discussions about his future. I reckonthat it will be pointed out to him that most clubs are now looking for midfielders that can work both ways, essentially highlighting one of his significant weaknesses with respect to how the modern game is played. Pure speculation on my behalf of coarse but if you put yourself in Dals position today I reckon he wouldn't be too happy about that article which is deliberate IMO.
I doubt they would throw everything at him. Who was the idiot who said that. mustnt know much about footy. What i cant believe is they say BJ maybe leading the B&F for Essendon who are third on the ladder and who struggled in a side who missed the 8 last year.
Seriously P66. The article states that the HS believe that the club won't take anything under a round 20 DP. You claim that 6 out of top 8 will take then plus others so I assume that would mean they have to offer a top 20 DP. What's that worth? A fair bit really and in the Aussie vernacular...the kitchen sink.
Yes because football clubs never lie. Lying is the first language in all footy clubs. First round what a lot of crap. I know it wont happen but this is how stupid the first round thing is. Hawthorn win the GF and have picked 18. GWS 2nd round is pick 19. If GWS did want him, which they obviously wouldnt, are the Saints going to say we will take pick 18 but we wont take pick 19 because its a second rounder. The only reason I can see why the Saints wanted that printed is they are actually ready to trade Dal for the right pick. And maybe Dal is ready to go as well. I hope not.
plugger66 wrote:
Seriously P66. The article states that the HS believe that the club won't take anything under a round 20 DP. You claim that 6 out of top 8 will take then plus others so I assume that would mean they have to offer a top 20 DP. What's that worth? A fair bit really and in the Aussie vernacular...the kitchen sink.
Yes because football clubs never lie. Lying is the first language in all footy clubs. First round what a lot of crap. I know it wont happen but this is how stupid the first round thing is. Hawthorn win the GF and have picked 18. GWS 2nd round is pick 19. If GWS did want him, which they obviously wouldnt, are the Saints going to say we will take pick 18 but we wont take pick 19 because its a second rounder. The only reason I can see why the Saints wanted that printed is they are actually ready to trade Dal for the right pick. And maybe Dal is ready to go as well. I hope not.
So based on your reasoning, is it possible that if the Saints don't get what they want as suggested in today's article then they will refuse to trade him and keep him on the list?
Yes because football clubs never lie. Lying is the first language in all footy clubs. First round what a lot of crap. I know it wont happen but this is how stupid the first round thing is. Hawthorn win the GF and have picked 18. GWS 2nd round is pick 19. If GWS did want him, which they obviously wouldnt, are the Saints going to say we will take pick 18 but we wont take pick 19 because its a second rounder. The only reason I can see why the Saints wanted that printed is they are actually ready to trade Dal for the right pick. And maybe Dal is ready to go as well. I hope not.
So based on your reasoning, is it possible that if the Saints don't get what they want as suggested in today's article then they will refuse to trade him and keep him on the list?
Of course it is. Why would you even ask that? They are puting it out there to see what happens. Great move but unless we get overs or at least evens we shouldnt do anything at all.
plugger66 wrote:
So based on your reasoning, is it possible that if the Saints don't get what they want as suggested in today's article then they will refuse to trade him and keep him on the list?
Of course it is. Why would you even ask that? They are puting it out there to see what happens. Great move but unless we get overs or at least evens we shouldnt do anything at all.
Yep and that's what I would have thought too and so in my opinion they are saying to Dal right up front and early, we are in control here, we want you to stay on the list BUT you need to buy-in and toe-the-line from this point forward or you will be spending the occasional game in the reserves. SW has already expressed frustration with Dal this season and I'm guessing it's reached boiling point with the coach.
Of course it is. Why would you even ask that? They are puting it out there to see what happens. Great move but unless we get overs or at least evens we shouldnt do anything at all.
Yep and that's what I would have thought too and so in my opinion they are saying to Dal right up front and early, we are in control here, we want you to stay on the list BUT you need to buy-in and toe-the-line from this point forward or you will be spending the occasional game in the reserves. SW has already expressed frustration with Dal this season and I'm guessing it's reached boiling point with the coach.
I actually dont think they are saying that at all but each to there own. i told why I think they are doing it.
Either way, the club is posturing and making a statement and I reckon Dal being dropped before the season is out is well on the cards.
Yep they would put it out there because they would never tell him to his face. I reckon him being dropped on present form is well and truely off the cards. his form could worse and then he maybe dropped.
Either way, the club is posturing and making a statement and I reckon Dal being dropped before the season is out is well on the cards.
Yep they would put it out there because they would never tell him to his face. I reckon him being dropped on present form is well and truely off the cards. his form could worse and then he maybe dropped.
Nobody will take Dal unless we let him go cheaply.
We won't get a top-20 pick for him.
We won't let him go for less.
I'd rather not trash one of our champions and let him help out in engaging the next generation of quality St Kilda people, of which, Lenny, Montagna and Riewoldt all are.
skeptic wrote:I don't think he's off the table at all
That article has simply set the asking price
Wasn't setting the asking price IMO. Sending a message to Dal more the case IMO.
If a club was to coff up the asking price then I reckon it's a win for the club over him hanging around for another year or two with possible attitude problems.
skeptic wrote:I don't think he's off the table at all
That article has simply set the asking price
I tend to agree with this. Its the GWS style of media reporting - get it out there early and create some interest - then put a rocket up Dal. Its a bit strange though I must admit, even commenting about what they'd need to get to be interested in trading Dal is a strange move in the middle of July.
Having said that, I reckon he'd be a good fit for the Swans to be honest. I'd happily do a swap for Luke Parker.
If not, package him with a pick or player to get our hands on a pick around 10ish. Then we get a slider like Sheed, or Billings, or at 'worst' get a Dunston or Bontempelli type.
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Everyone has a price: see BJ, Ablett, Scully, Phil Davis, Callanetics Ward etc.. soon to be Franklin.
Dal wouldn't go to a 'developing' club unless he's significantly better off financially, or is given a 2-3 year contract. (he may go to a top 4 side to help them and himself win a flag).
Saints won't trade him unless the price is right. Mid teens pick probably gets it done. Or Pick 10 for Dal and Ray(eg.)/2nd round pick.
IMO Hayes will retire and then Dal will remain a required player to ensure we retain excellent senior experience over the next 2 seasons at a minimum from Dal.
Lose Dal and Hayes in the same year and it would be too great an ask for the likes of Ross/Newnes to play a full season in the middle, unless they get stronger and build big tanks In off/pre season.
