I took banned drug: Watson

[Dr Spaceman]

“It’s elementary my dear….. um…. Damn! What’s your name again?

[Life Long Saint]

My take is the players are now confident of getting off, well at least watson. On SEn today they pointed out the 50 page report about drugs in sport specifically stated the drug watson took wasnt illegal. i know people will say but it wasnt approved for human use but whay mention that drug. There would be many not fit for human use. It was WADA who mentioned it in the report. It has since been banned.

Well WADA clearly have a different view.
And the AFL has agreed to implement the WADA code.

That part of the document was written by WADA so i have no idea what you mean.

You said that it since been banned.
That is inaccurate. It was always banned under section S0.

[StevieSaint]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/n ... 2ouew.html

Ex Asada Boss states there is no way Watson can escape the ban...

SEN is driven by Tim Watson and his pals who all want the Bombers to get off...f u c k em all

[plugger66]

Well WADA clearly have a different view.
And the AFL has agreed to implement the WADA code.

That part of the document was written by WADA so i have no idea what you mean.

You said that it since been banned.
That is inaccurate. It was always banned under section S0.

Why did WADA say in the drugs in sport report it wasnt banned? And if it was banned due to the catch all why only mention that drug as not banned when many others would also be banned under catch all. This was read out word for word on SEN today. it isnt my opinion.

[Old Mate]

No idea why he said it but he doesnt come across as stupid or cocky. As for your first point i thought the same thing about the catch all but as Finey and harper pointed out on SEN today why mention only that drug. There must be hundreds on the catch all. I havent read the report either but there was no reason for Harper to make it up afterall anyone can read it. it obvious now that WEatson and probably others took the drug. my question is if it is an open and shut case why havent ASADA insisted that the players are stood down from playing until resolved. That happens just about 100% when others are found to have used illegal drugs.

Well Finey and Harper have contradicted what WADA and everyone else involved have maintained since the beginning - AOD is banned.

This case is far more complex seeing as its systematic doping throughout a team that is being investigated not individual players. My guess is penalties (if given) won't be given until everyone, including players and staff have been interviewed and investigated. It could be the club and all the players are suspended for some time. That's my guess why individuals haven't been stood down.

[plugger66]

No idea why he said it but he doesnt come across as stupid or cocky. As for your first point i thought the same thing about the catch all but as Finey and harper pointed out on SEN today why mention only that drug. There must be hundreds on the catch all. I havent read the report either but there was no reason for Harper to make it up afterall anyone can read it. it obvious now that WEatson and probably others took the drug. my question is if it is an open and shut case why havent ASADA insisted that the players are stood down from playing until resolved. That happens just about 100% when others are found to have used illegal drugs.

Well Finey and Harper have contradicted what WADA and everyone else involved have maintained since the beginning - AOD is banned.

This case is far more complex seeing as its systematic doping throughout a team that is being investigated not individual players. My guess is penalties (if given) won't be given until everyone, including players and staff have been interviewed and investigated. It could be the club and all the players are suspended for some time. That's my guess why individuals haven't been stood down.

They arent contradicting, they are reading word for word from the report. WADA are contradicting WADA not the 2 guys reading from a report.

[Old Mate]

What is this report? Was it written prior to Essendon players using AOD or after? If after it may mean nothing. What I do know is that a simple google search will tell you that AOD is banned under s0, and was banned when Essendon were using it last season.

[dragit]

I see where this is going... Evil DrDank takes the wrap while we all high five last years brownlow medalist & Essendon vow to be much more careful next time.

Hooray for footy.

[Con Gorozidis]

My take is the players are now confident of getting off, well at least watson. On SEn today they pointed out the 50 page report about drugs in sport specifically stated the drug watson took wasnt illegal. i know people will say but it wasnt approved for human use but whay mention that drug. There would be many not fit for human use. It was WADA who mentioned it in the report. It has since been banned.

aod was banned on 1 January 2011

Which part of that dont you understand plugger?

the acc report is completely irrelevent.

[plugger66]

I see where this is going... Evil DrDank takes the wrap while we all high five last years brownlow medalist & Essendon vow to be much more careful next time.

Hooray for footy.

Do you honestly think a government agency will just let them off? if they are guilty they have to go otherwise there will the biggest uproar ever from the likes of Mother Tereasa through to Elton John. if they are not guilty they will get off and it wont be as simple as saying they didnt know.

[Con Gorozidis]

Why did WADA say in the drugs in sport report it wasnt banned? And if it was banned due to the catch all why only mention that drug as not banned when many others would also be banned under catch all. This was read out word for word on SEN today. it isnt my opinion.

What are you talking about?

WADA and ASADA never say anything is not banned.
They just dont do that EVER.
End of story.
Stop talking sh*t that you picked up from the Essendon PR spin team.

[Con Gorozidis]

What is this report? Was it written prior to Essendon players using AOD or after? If after it may mean nothing. What I do know is that a simple google search will tell you that AOD is banned under s0, and was banned when Essendon were using it last season.

AGREE!

1. the acc have nothing to do with any of this
2. even if they did - their report came out after the events
3. WADA and ASADA DO NOT tell give people assurances stuff is not illegal. Its simply not part of the way they operate.

[plugger66]

Why did WADA say in the drugs in sport report it wasnt banned? And if it was banned due to the catch all why only mention that drug as not banned when many others would also be banned under catch all. This was read out word for word on SEN today. it isnt my opinion.

What are you talking about?

WADA and ASADA never say anything is not banned.
They just dont do that EVER.
End of story.
Stop talking sh*t that you picked up from the Essendon PR spin team.

You really are dumb. it was read off the drugs in sport report today on radio. get it. Word for word off the report. Get the report and read it. Nothing to do with Essendon spin. Did you pass common sense?

[Con Gorozidis]

Why did WADA say in the drugs in sport report it wasnt banned? And if it was banned due to the catch all why only mention that drug as not banned when many others would also be banned under catch all. This was read out word for word on SEN today. it isnt my opinion.

What are you talking about?

WADA and ASADA never say anything is not banned.
They just dont do that EVER.
End of story.
Stop talking sh*t that you picked up from the Essendon PR spin team.

You really are dumb. it was read off the drugs in sport report today on radio. get it. Word for word off the report. Get the report and read it. Nothing to do with Essendon spin. Did you pass common sense?

yeah im dumb!
let me say it slowly so you follow:

the
drugs
in
sport
report
is
not
relevant

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/w ... 2ouew.html

[Old Mate]

Why did WADA say in the drugs in sport report it wasnt banned? And if it was banned due to the catch all why only mention that drug as not banned when many others would also be banned under catch all. This was read out word for word on SEN today. it isnt my opinion.

What are you talking about?

WADA and ASADA never say anything is not banned.
They just dont do that EVER.
End of story.
Stop talking sh*t that you picked up from the Essendon PR spin team.

You really are dumb. it was read off the drugs in sport report today on radio. get it. Word for word off the report. Get the report and read it. Nothing to do with Essendon spin. Did you pass common sense?

Plugger66, this report is by the ACC, I just looked it up. It wasn't written by WADA so it means jack.

[plugger66]

What are you talking about?

WADA and ASADA never say anything is not banned.
They just dont do that EVER.
End of story.
Stop talking sh*t that you picked up from the Essendon PR spin team.

You really are dumb. it was read off the drugs in sport report today on radio. get it. Word for word off the report. Get the report and read it. Nothing to do with Essendon spin. Did you pass common sense?

yeah im dumb!
let me say it slowly so you follow:

the
drugs
in
sport
report
is
not
relevant

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/w ... 2ouew.html

So a report released by the federal government isnt relevent because of the article you showed me. Its like talking to my cat only he is smarter. All i can say is you have very strange ideas. Now with that brain of your can you tell me why a federal government report isnt relevent even though in the report WADA list drugs that are and arent banned even though you say they never do that. Strange considering its in the report. Meow.

[plugger66]

What are you talking about?

WADA and ASADA never say anything is not banned.
They just dont do that EVER.
End of story.
Stop talking sh*t that you picked up from the Essendon PR spin team.

You really are dumb. it was read off the drugs in sport report today on radio. get it. Word for word off the report. Get the report and read it. Nothing to do with Essendon spin. Did you pass common sense?

Plugger66, this report is by the ACC, I just looked it up. It wasn't written by WADA so it means jack.

Yes and I said that. I also said that Harper read out drugs that were and werent banned in the report. That part of the report was from WADA. I suggest that you and meow get a copy of Harper today on SEN and then you will understand what I am saying. This isnt my opinion. It is what was said today on SEN and its directly out of the ACC report.

[Griggsy]

So how many players will this involve?

How will Port Adelaide react if the trade for Monfries is worth nothing

[Mr Magic]

Why did WADA say in the drugs in sport report it wasnt banned? And if it was banned due to the catch all why only mention that drug as not banned when many others would also be banned under catch all. This was read out word for word on SEN today. it isnt my opinion.

What are you talking about?

WADA and ASADA never say anything is not banned.
They just dont do that EVER.
End of story.
Stop talking sh*t that you picked up from the Essendon PR spin team.

No Con, I heard the conversation between Finey and Craig Harper on SEN this morning and Finey was alos gobsmacked initially with what Harper stated.
Harper stated that he's read the ACC report (all 50 pages) and that there was an addendum provided by WADA that listed drugs/supplements/peptides and whether they were permitted or not.
He stated categorically that this addendum said AOD9604 was 'permitted'. Now it could well be a 'mistake' on the report but it is what Harper alleges is written in the published ACC report (handed down at that news conference).

Has anybody here been able to download a copy of this report?

[dragit]

I see where this is going... Evil DrDank takes the wrap while we all high five last years brownlow medalist & Essendon vow to be much more careful next time.

Hooray for footy.

Do you honestly think a government agency will just let them off? if they are guilty they have to go otherwise there will the biggest uproar ever from the likes of Mother Tereasa through to Elton John. if they are not guilty they will get off and it wont be as simple as saying they didnt know.

Nothing would surprise me. ASADA sound like they are so underfunded and ill equipped to deal with such a huge investigation.

[plugger66]

Why did WADA say in the drugs in sport report it wasnt banned? And if it was banned due to the catch all why only mention that drug as not banned when many others would also be banned under catch all. This was read out word for word on SEN today. it isnt my opinion.

What are you talking about?

WADA and ASADA never say anything is not banned.
They just dont do that EVER.
End of story.
Stop talking sh*t that you picked up from the Essendon PR spin team.

No Con, I heard the conversation between Finey and Craig Harper on SEN this morning and Finey was alos gobsmacked initially with what Harper stated.
Harper stated that he's read the ACC report (all 50 pages) and that there was an addendum provided by WADA that listed drugs/supplements/peptides and whether they were permitted or not.
He stated categorically that this addendum said AOD9604 was 'permitted'. Now it could well be a 'mistake' on the report but it is what Harper alleges is written in the published ACC report (handed down at that news conference).

Has anybody here been able to download a copy of this report?

Thank god someone else heard it. I wasnt even sticking up for Essendon just pointing out something that sounded very important to me.

[Con Gorozidis]

So a report released by the federal government isnt relevent because of the article you showed me. Its like talking to my cat only he is smarter. All i can say is you have very strange ideas. Now with that brain of your can you tell me why a federal government report isnt relevent even though in the report WADA list drugs that are and arent banned even though you say they never do that. Strange considering its in the report. Meow.

classic!

and no the report isnt relevant and WADA have been consistent all along that aod is banned under so.

the end.

[Mr Magic]

OK, I've found the report online that Harper was reading out on SEN.

It is Appendix 3 of the Australian Crime Commission's report into Organized Crime and Drugs in Sport..

Appendix Three - Summary of PIEDs





Human Growth Releasing Peptides

Human Growth Releasing Peptides
CJC-1295, GHRP-6, GHRP-2, Hexarelin, Ipamorelin , Sermorelin

Information

Human growth releasing peptides such as CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 stimulate an increased level of human growth hormone (hGH). The main peptides identified as being used through Project Aperio were CJC-1295 and GHRP-6

Method of use:
•Liquid (injected)
•Cream (applied to skin)
•Powder (mixed with saline and injected)

Scheduling Status (SUSMP):

Not approved for human use, currently unscheduled

Border Status:

Schedule 7A Customs (Prohibited Imports) Regulations

World Anti Doping Agency Status:

Prohibited both in and out of competition
Detectable in urine but complex


Growth Hormone Variants

Growth Hormone Variants
AOD-9604
Information

AOD-9604 (stands for Anti Obesity Drug number 9604) was identified in Project Aperio as being used by professional athletes. AOD-9604 is an experimental drug that is in a growth hormone variants that has fat burning properties and may be used by athletes to increase power to weight ratios by better utilisation of fat stores. Athletes may also use it to rehabilitate soft tissue injuries.

Method of use:
•Liquid (injected)
•Cream (applied to skin)

Scheduling Status (SUSMP):

Not yet approved for human use, about to enter the final phase of clinical human trials

Border Status:

Not a border controlled drug

World Anti Doping Agency Status:

Not currently prohibited

Insulin Like Growth Factor (IGF-1) and Mechano Growth Factor (MGF)

[Griggsy]

I see where this is going... Evil DrDank takes the wrap while we all high five last years brownlow medalist & Essendon vow to be much more careful next time.

Hooray for footy.

Do you honestly think a government agency will just let them off? if they are guilty they have to go otherwise there will the biggest uproar ever from the likes of Mother Tereasa through to Elton John. if they are not guilty they will get off and it wont be as simple as saying they didnt know.

Nothing would surprise me. ASADA sound like they are so underfunded and ill equipped to deal with such a huge investigation.

Didn't they hire the american guy that prosecuted Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones.

[plugger66]

So a report released by the federal government isnt relevent because of the article you showed me. Its like talking to my cat only he is smarter. All i can say is you have very strange ideas. Now with that brain of your can you tell me why a federal government report isnt relevent even though in the report WADA list drugs that are and arent banned even though you say they never do that. Strange considering its in the report. Meow.

classic!

and no the report isnt relevant and WADA have been consistent all along that aod is banned under so.

the end.

Meow.