Milne

[tweedaletomanning]

You Could be right, Im thinking of Neil Balme, whats his role at the club?[/quote]


Football manager.[/quote]

Yes you are correct.

Who's our football manager, and why is he not getting a gig?

[Scollop]

You Could be right, Im thinking of Neil Balme, whats his role at the club?

Football manager.[/quote]

Yes you are correct.

Who's our football manager, and why is he not getting a gig?[/quote]

We sacked him in 2006 and the club was unable to find a suitable replacement to fill the role until a pelican wondered in 5 years later

[stinger]

You Could be right, Im thinking of Neil Balme, whats his role at the club?

Football manager.

Yes you are correct.

Who's our football manager, and why is he not getting a gig?[/quote]

We sacked him in 2006 and the club was unable to find a suitable replacement to fill the role until a pelican wondered in 5 years later[/quote]


"wandered" in maybe....i'm still wondering.......maybe like some of the rest of you....

[3rd generation saint]

Don't know if anyone has though of this, but there is technically a third party in this affair whose reputation has been some what diminished as well, and that is the Victoria Police.
Rightly or wrongly, they advised Milne that there would be no charges to be laid 9 years ago, Even at the end of May last year after the initial OPI investigation, they backed the original decision not to charge Milne or Joey.
So what has changed, after all, there are only 4 people they can interview, the victim, her friend, Joey and Milney.
Perhaps, what may have happened, the police realised what a botch job they did, and may still believe that charges are going to be next to impossible to prove in court, but to send it to court anyway so that they can claim that they have dome their job properly.
But the fact is, Milney was probably over zealous that night and made advances he should have never have made, but appears to have stopped when those advances we're rejected.
I have no doubt he feels, that he did do the wrong thing initially, but ended up doing the right thing, while she feels, and understandably, violated, not respected and betrayed by both Milney and Joey.
Let's just hope this doesn't become another circus that Duthie became, because the media are like Pavlov's dog, any sort of scandal involving a celebrity, politician or footballer, is great for sales and ratings.

[stinger]

well...wtf happened then....

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/polic ... 1622190059


"Assistant Commissioner Stephen Fontana says he cannot give an "iron-tight guarantee" that Victoria Police will not bungle another rape investigation like they did in the case against St Kilda player Stephen Milne.

Mr Fontana, who oversees crime command and has a background in sex assault investigations, said he was "extremely disappointed" at Victoria Police's handling of the Milne allegations, which date back to 2004.

He apologised to the alleged victim and the general community and said he was confident that such bungling would not happen again. But he said mistakes do happen.

"I would doubt that we would be going through this scenario again," Mr Fontana said. "But you know, history shows that mistakes are sometimes made by people in the course of the job, so I can't give you an iron-tight guarantee.


"I can tell you from our organisation's perspective we are totally committed, whether it be these types of investigations or any other . . . to ensure that we conduct them professionally."

Mr Fontana said while it was a poor investigation, he stopped short of saying the investigating officers or their colleagues did not do their jobs properly.

He said Victoria Police had "come along way" since 2004 in investigating sex offences. In addition to a centralised squad, Mr Fontana said there were specialised regional units trained in investigating sex crimes.

"Victoria Police has invested a lot of resources in building our capability into investigating sex offences."

Mr Fontana reiterated the Office of Police Integrity's finding that the Milne investigation was not sabotaged by officers sympathetic to the St Kilda Football club, after the allegations were raised.

But he said that did not mean that his department would unearth any wrongdoing when it delves deeper into why the investigation stalled and derailed.

"I'll make it quite clear we found no evidence of interference, but that doesn't mean to say that when we go through it their won't be something that comes out in the future."

St Kilda has withdrawn Milne from playing in the Saints' game against Melbourne on Saturday, citing welfare reasons. Nevertheless, Fontana urged composure among AFL fans.

Milne has been previously subject to onfield abuse and not just by spectators. In 2010, then Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse was seen to mouth at him the word "rapist" during a heated exchange at quarter-time.

Malthouse was fined and he apologised.

Mr Fontana said although charges have been laid against Milne, he was entitled to the presumption of innocence.

"The evidence will unfold ultimately before a jury in this matter," he said.

Mr Fontana was speaking to a group of reporters gathered in the foyer of the St Kilda Road police complex.

The Saints’ media coordinator Breanna Gallagher stood quietly at the rear of the throng."

[perfectionist]

...Let's just hope this doesn't become another circus that Duthie became, because the media are like Pavlov's dog, any sort of scandal involving a celebrity, politician or footballer, is great for sales and ratings.

The chances of this not becoming another circus just for sales and ratings are akin to the Saints winning the next twenty flags. And, it is the media which is Pavlov and the readers who are the dogs, not the other way around.

[terry smith rules]

hello experts

how do you know that this is not his off season

I would think most of his work in planning, sponsorships, contracts, etc would be done during the actual off season
that once the season is up and running, the work belongs to the football side

think before you just run off on some thought

[plugger66]

hello experts

how do you know that this is not his off season

I would think most of his work in planning, sponsorships, contracts, etc would be done during the actual off season
that once the season is up and running, the work belongs to the football side

think before you just run off on some thought

All good points just in the wrong thread.

[terry smith rules]

hello experts

how do you know that this is not his off season

I would think most of his work in planning, sponsorships, contracts, etc would be done during the actual off season
that once the season is up and running, the work belongs to the football side

think before you just run off on some thought

All good points just in the wrong thread.

woops sorry

as with everyone feeling pretty ordinary today

[matrix]

See I don't understand why everyone is so down and upset.
Unless u are part of either his family or her family obviously.

In fact its about time it was brought up
We have all been saying for years that him getting called the R word pissed us off
Well nows the time to set the record straight And find out whether its true or untrue

[NOTTHATAWKWARD]

A question regarding the media.

Was the St Kilda family day prior the the event in question related at all? Seems to be always in the first few lines of all radio, tv and newspaper reports. If its not related at all than its a pretty black and white case of character assassination by explicitly putting something that seems as wholesome, pure and innocent as a family day seemingly connected to the crime in question and the type of emotions that stirs up in people.

Also, by and large the media really has not made any attempt to distinguish the fact Lovett never played a game for us.

[stinger]

A question regarding the media.


Also, by and large the media really has not made any attempt to distinguish the fact Lovett never played a game for us.

in fact they have done the exact opposite....huge spread on milne and lovett in today's hun...only mention of the bumbers is that lovett joined the saints from essendon in exchange for the saints first round pick.....

[8856brother]

A question regarding the media.


Also, by and large the media really has not made any attempt to distinguish the fact Lovett never played a game for us.

in fact they have done the exact opposite....huge spread on milne and lovett in today's hun...only mention of the bumbers is that lovett joined the saints from essendon in exchange for the saints first round pick.....

There are still St Kilda hating morons ringing radio stations wanting to know why the two issues are any different. I would expect that from Collingwood fans, but some haven't even supported the filth.

[jamesmc]

Don't know if anyone has though of this, but there is technically a third party in this affair whose reputation has been some what diminished as well, and that is the Victoria Police.
Rightly or wrongly, they advised Milne that there would be no charges to be laid 9 years ago, Even at the end of May last year after the initial OPI investigation, they backed the original decision not to charge Milne or Joey.
So what has changed, after all, there are only 4 people they can interview, the victim, her friend, Joey and Milney.
Perhaps, what may have happened, the police realised what a botch job they did, and may still believe that charges are going to be next to impossible to prove in court, but to send it to court anyway so that they can claim that they have dome their job properly.
But the fact is, Milney was probably over zealous that night and made advances he should have never have made, but appears to have stopped when those advances we're rejected.
I have no doubt he feels, that he did do the wrong thing initially, but ended up doing the right thing, while she feels, and understandably, violated, not respected and betrayed by both Milney and Joey.
Let's just hope this doesn't become another circus that Duthie became, because the media are like Pavlov's dog, any sort of scandal involving a celebrity, politician or footballer, is great for sales and ratings.

This case has been a balls up right from the get go when Craig Hutchinson reported that Kosi was involved.

[gringo]

See I don't understand why everyone is so down and upset.
Unless u are part of either his family or her family obviously.

In fact its about time it was brought up
We have all been saying for years that him getting called the R word pissed us off
Well nows the time to set the record straight And find out whether its true or untrue

I think the fear for some is that we have an acting police minister that wants a high profile prosecution to show their new harder on crime stance. He has so far been pretty unprofessional offering commentary on a case that is yet to go to trial.

Clearing his name once and for all would be a great outcome but justice systems don't always offer justice. A case like the one Milne was involved with are very hard to prosecute and have a very low percentage of successful outcomes for the alleged victim.

From what I heard the case was a mistaken identity one that is pretty much the same as the Lovett one. They are going to be tried on the basis that Milne knew that the alleged victim was a non consenting partner. They are hard after 4 weeks let alone 9 years.

[Snakeman66]

Don't know if anyone has though of this, but there is technically a third party in this affair whose reputation has been some what diminished as well, and that is the Victoria Police.
Rightly or wrongly, they advised Milne that there would be no charges to be laid 9 years ago, Even at the end of May last year after the initial OPI investigation, they backed the original decision not to charge Milne or Joey.
So what has changed, after all, there are only 4 people they can interview, the victim, her friend, Joey and Milney.
Perhaps, what may have happened, the police realised what a botch job they did, and may still believe that charges are going to be next to impossible to prove in court, but to send it to court anyway so that they can claim that they have dome their job properly.
But the fact is, Milney was probably over zealous that night and made advances he should have never have made, but appears to have stopped when those advances we're rejected.
I have no doubt he feels, that he did do the wrong thing initially, but ended up doing the right thing, while she feels, and understandably, violated, not respected and betrayed by both Milney and Joey.
Let's just hope this doesn't become another circus that Duthie became, because the media are like Pavlov's dog, any sort of scandal involving a celebrity, politician or footballer, is great for sales and ratings.

This case has been a balls up right from the get go when Craig Hutchinson reported that Kosi was involved.

Didn't Hutchy pay for Kosi's swimming pool as a result of this scoop?

[mad saint guy]

Here are the two accounts of the night:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/s ... 6665917890

Obviously it's one person's word against another. I don't see how any certain conclusion could be reached. There are some factors for and against both parties. The fact that the players had been drinking and the girls had not doesn't bode well for Milne. But both accounts state that Milne and the girl had been talking for some time before she realised that it wasn't Montagna. I dare say a significant part of Milne's defence could be that it is unreasonable to think that she could not realise it was him, given Milne has a pretty distinct voice and even a slight speech impediment, whereas Montagna has always spoken quite clearly.

[matrix]

Nice find msg...

[Greg T]

Simply Vic Pol stuffed it up the first time.
There was never enough evidence to have a case.
Face saving excersize from the coppers.
Milney lived with this for the past 9 years of his life,plus all the abuse.
He's been hung already by the media and all other supporters.
IMO coppers need a scalp ....time will tell

[perfectionist]

The legal process from Justin Quill, who is a Director with law firm Kelly Hazell Quill:


"EVERYONE knows Stephen Milne has been charged with rape. And if you've been reading any articles about the case, you'll know it's scheduled to come before the Melbourne Magistrates' Court on July 5 this year.
But what will happen on that day, and what is the process after that?
The first thing you should know about the process is that it will be a long one.
Everyone will want this matter dealt with as quickly as possible. For Milne, that will be particularly so given that he's been stood down indefinitely by the St Kilda Football Club. It's not clear at this stage whether that's until the end of the whole proceeding.
If the plan is for Milne to remain stood down until the end of the proceeding, then the slow wheels of justice might mean it is the end of his career.
You see, the Magistrates' Court might only be the start of the process. The Magistrates' Court will conduct a committal hearing. That means a magistrate will review the case, possibly hear evidence and decide whether the evidence against Milne is strong enough to warrant it being put before a jury.
If it is deemed a strong enough case, Milne will be committed to stand trial and the matter moved to the County Court.
But before Milne could find himself in the County Court, there are likely to be a number of false starts in the Magistrates' Court.
On July 5, there will be a discussion about the timetabling for the matter. Each party - prosecution and defence - will be likely be told of deadlines with which they have to comply for things like providing the court and other party with witness statements.
Given the delay in this matter, I expect that the timetable will be fairly quick. But by quick, I mean the committal hearing could happen by the end of the year.
Any trial won't be until next year.
Milne is highly unlikely to give evidence at the committal hearing. The alleged victim probably will, although it is possible for evidence to be provided by way of written witness statements. But most of the evidence the prosecution will lead in the case will be lead at the committal hearing.
So the prosecution will show its hand at the committal hearing while Milne's defence team will hold its cards close.
If the magistrate decides the matter shouldn't go to a jury, that will be the end of it. Milne will be free to play football. That could mean another contract for next year.
But if Milne is committed to stand trial in the County Court, the process effectively starts again with a timetable set all leading towards a trial before a jury.
I would be surprised if that could happen in the first half of next year - but it is possible.
So the process will be a long one. And as important as Milne's career will be to him, it should be more important to him that the process is fair, as I'm sure it will be. But it will be long and seem like an eternity."

[TAGHLAO]

Don't know if anyone has though of this, but there is technically a third party in this affair whose reputation has been some what diminished as well, and that is the Victoria Police.
Rightly or wrongly, they advised Milne that there would be no charges to be laid 9 years ago, Even at the end of May last year after the initial OPI investigation, they backed the original decision not to charge Milne or Joey.
So what has changed, after all, there are only 4 people they can interview, the victim, her friend, Joey and Milney.
Perhaps, what may have happened, the police realised what a botch job they did, and may still believe that charges are going to be next to impossible to prove in court, but to send it to court anyway so that they can claim that they have dome their job properly.
But the fact is, Milney was probably over zealous that night and made advances he should have never have made, but appears to have stopped when those advances we're rejected.
I have no doubt he feels, that he did do the wrong thing initially, but ended up doing the right thing, while she feels, and understandably, violated, not respected and betrayed by both Milney and Joey.
Let's just hope this doesn't become another circus that Duthie became, because the media are like Pavlov's dog, any sort of scandal involving a celebrity, politician or footballer, is great for sales and ratings.

Good post

[perfectionist]

The evidence of the fourth person will be crucial. I suspect it is why charges weren't laid 9 years ago, but that's just a guess. I'm not sure whether she will be afforded the protection of anonymity either. Her character is likely to be traduced from all sides. What a mess.

[CURLY]

According to The Hun the reason the case against Milne is going ahead is because the alleged victim wants to pursue it and is will to give evidence. No new eveidence or witnesses just the alleged victims which is her right wants to pursue it.

[SENsei]

Timing and communication are the key. The rest is peripheral bulltish. Did the alleged victim make her reluctance known and when? Would the alleged perpetrator in reasonable circumstance expect he had her consent? Answer those questions and there is the result. End of story.

[CURLY]

Timing and communication are the key. The rest is peripheral bulltish. Did the alleged victim make her reluctance known and when? Would the alleged perpetrator in reasonable circumstance expect he had her consent? Answer those questions and there is the result. End of story.

Hard to prove either way there in lies the issue.