Draft Question - the Tom Boyd Scenario

[Spinner]

What's good though is that we are finishing last just as the compromised drafts tend to fade out...

[Spinner]

So this years draft we're looking at pick 3 - 5 it would seem.

With a pick in the top 5 and in desperate need of young midfield talent.. asap.

What happens I ask, if Tom Boyd (likely #1 draft pick future power forward of the competition) slips through to us?

Would you take him?

Would Pelchen & co. consider it? Having made our desire for midfielders known.

We have Lee and White waiting in the wings..

1 of the 5 best young midfielders in the land, or the sort of player you can build a whole team around..

It's a tough one.

Love to hear your thoughts

if boyd was still available at our pick....and he won't be....you would take him without a second thought......

Exactly!

[tweedaletomanning]

Maybe we could trade pick 3 and a senior player for pick number 1?

Then we would definitely get Boyd....!

Note haven't seen this guy play.

Good call

[Con Gorozidis]

all things being equal - go the best midfielder available.

if by some bizarre chance a KPP ( like boyd) who is clearly better than the next best midfielder falls on our lap - take the better player for sure.

[Spinner]

on footy classified they raised the question...

GWS finish last. With Patton, Cameron and potentially Franklin, would they take Boyd if he was the best player and they had number 1.



Would take a ballsy recruiter to go next best Mid/Def. But would it be the right call. If they were relatively close in talent, it probably would be!

[vacuous space]

With Patton, Cameron and potentially Franklin, would they take Boyd if he was the best player and they had number 1.

They'd have to. Thay've got a couple of tall forwards and a wall of mids. They're going to have the same oversupply problem unless they take a ruck or a defender. They have to take the best player. Patton could be anything between Kosi and Hawkins. Cameron could wind up not taking the next step. If they all work out, show me the problem? At worst, you trade one and start the cycle on the next generation of talent. Maybe you move one of them back as they aren't as stacked in back six talls.

If somebody offered them something attractive, they'd probably move back. Realistically, that's not going to be an over-25 and a pick. They're going to want key pieces for their next 100+ games.

[southernsaint]

I think hes a chance to slip to us. G.W.S. have patton, cameron and looking more likely buddy. Melbourne have mitch clarke, dawes and jesse hogan( i think the boys name is).

They will probably take scharenberg and aish that are standouts as well. So tom boyd is a good chance for us. If the dogs get a pick before us game over they will be all over

him. Perhaps pick 3 and a player even 2 for pick 1 is worth a thought, apparently they are keen to get some senior players onto their list. Any ideas????

[PurpleHayes]

Maybe we could trade pick 3 and a senior player for pick number 1?

Then we would definitely get Boyd....!

Note haven't seen this guy play.

Great call.

This is exactly the sort of creative thing I'd expect the Pelican to do.

The rebuild looks a lot more promising with the best 18yo forward the country.

Farren Ray and pick 3 for pick 1/2?

Or perhaps 2 draft picks in return for pick 1?

[groupie1]

With a Top 5 you take BEST available.

Normally at that level there is still a big difference...you just go on whho you rate as best.

Depending on the strength of the draft, after ten-ish or so it is a lot more blurred and you may start to be influenced by role.

I reckon you take the best player with the RAREST qualities for a top 10 pick. (Hence, a lot of Ruckmen go in the top ten, even though logic would say you should be trading for them when they're 23).
A big forward, therefore, would be best and rarest.

[groupie1]

Maybe we could trade pick 3 and a senior player for pick number 1?

Then we would definitely get Boyd....!

Note haven't seen this guy play.

Great call.

This is exactly the sort of creative thing I'd expect the Pelican to do.

The rebuild looks a lot more promising with the best 18yo forward the country.

Farren Ray and pick 3 for pick 1/2?

Or perhaps 2 draft picks in return for pick 1?

Who'd take that deal?

[Devilhead]

Boyd kicked 6 goals on Sunday for Vic Metro against NSW/ACT and he sat out the last quarter

Vic Metro play WA this weekend

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-09/b ... -vic-metro

[Spinner]

Thinking about this a bit more...

You can't draft a list of 38 tall forwards thus this suggests there is a line somewhere between the philosophies of 'best available' and 'needs basis'.

Just where that line is, is the question!

[Pureoctain]

I don't think a key forward is a huge need. If he slips to us, take him as he's a clear number one. GWS will either take him or trade their number 1 pick for an experienced player. The bigger worry is the AFL giving Melbourne a compensation pick for being so pathetic, which will mean we get the fourth or fifth best midfielder in the draft instead of the second or third best, taking Jack Martin the 17 year old gold coast have in to consideration. Don't build Boyd up to be the messiah and then be shattered if we don't get him. Its not realistic.

[dragit]

Which player would you take from…

Patton, Cameron, Whitfield, O'Meara

?

We're extremely likely to have at least one of White/Lee fail, so I don't think we are overloaded with power forwards really. It would be weird to draft another tall forwards when we are so lacking in mids and tall backs though.

[joffaboy]

Maybe we could trade pick 3 and a senior player for pick number 1?

Then we would definitely get Boyd....!

Note haven't seen this guy play.

Great call.

This is exactly the sort of creative thing I'd expect the Pelican to do.

The rebuild looks a lot more promising with the best 18yo forward the country.

Farren Ray and pick 3 for pick 1/2?

Or perhaps 2 draft picks in return for pick 1?

or perhaps trade for Patton or Cameron and keep #3

I know this is just shooting s.hit, I dont know how we could do it.

Just thinking if GWS has patton, Cameron, possibly Franklin and other key forwards, would they be willing to trade a key forward so they could then take Boyd?

This means we get a forward who has been in the system for a couple of years (or Patton who has a knee) and use #3 on the best available mid.

Patton, Lee, Wight, Stanley, Markworth. Not quite what GWS have but not a bad forward line without sacrificing #3.

Just sayin'

I could see Pelchan throwing that one out.

[St Ick]

Ideal world would see us trading McEvoy and pick 3, for pick 1 & Adams (maybe a shuffle to get their compo pick for our second rounder.

Actually, ideal world would see McEvoy and a second rounder traded for Adams and a first round compo, then for us to use the compo to get Frawley and pick three would go to Boyd having seen GWS and Dees overlook him.

We can only dream! Then to see Dan Currie crack the sads at North and walk to us for pick 70!

[Spinner]

Wait JB so what do we actually trade Patton for if we keep #3?

[BigMart]

At 17 it's still speculation

Richmond were the team that missed out on the prized #1 selection in 2007

Consolation was only Trent Cotchin

Rarely has the number 1 even turned out the best of the top 5.... And not often in the best 5 of the overall draft

[joffaboy]

Wait JB so what do we actually trade Patton for if we keep #3?

As i said spinner, I would absolutely no idea how we could do it.

Maybe 2nd round Dal Santo and Roos first born???????

[Richter]

At 17 it's still speculation

Richmond were the team that missed out on the prized #1 selection in 2007

Consolation was only Trent Cotchin

Rarely has the number 1 even turned out the best of the top 5.... And not often in the best 5 of the overall draft

Interesting point. Here's some stats that back up your point...

1999 - #1 Josh Fraser; best player = Pavlich #4
2000 - #1 Nick Riewoldt
2001 - #1 Luke Hodge; best players = Judd #3, Ablett F/S.... (Swan, Johnson, Bartel, Dal Santo)
2002 - #1 Brendon Goddard
2003 - #1 Adam Cooney
2004 - #1 Brett Deledio; best player = Franklin #5
2005 - #1 Marc Murphy; best player = Pendlebury #5
2006 - #1 Bryce Gibbs; best player = Selwood #7
2007 - #1 Matthew Kreuzer; best player = Cotchin #2... (Dangerfield, Taylor, Rioli)
2008 - #1 Jack Watts; best player = Natanui #2
2009 - #1 Tom Scully; best player = Fyfe #17

Times that #1 was the best player in the draft = 3/11= 27% (2000, 2002, 2003)

Times that #1 was not even in the top 5 players in the draft = 4/11 = 36% (1999, 2007, 2008, 2009)

Times that other players in the top 5 picks were the best player in the draft = 6/11 = 54%

Times that players outside the top 5 were the best player in the draft = 3/11 = 27%

[SaintPav]

[and Roos first born???????

Pull your head in fella.

easy..

[bergholt]

2003 - #1 Adam Cooney

You could also make a serious case for Sam Fisher at #55, but apart from that it was a pretty shitful draft!

[BigMart]

2002

Watson, Wells, McVeigh

2003

Fisher, Mundy, Boyd

[Kiedis]

It is a win-win situation though (so long as we use that 1st pick very, very wisely).

Makes you salivate over the potential quality of the young mid we'll pick up.

Failing to secure future power forward of the competition Tom Boyd, we get (possibly) the 2nd or 3rd best midfielder in the draft.

In theory...

[sasaint]

Yes very excited by the potential. I am sure that Pelchen will also look for strong leadership qualities (Judd like) and will be careful of strong "go home" factors like with Aish. I remember that Geelong had a very bad year under Bomber Thompsen and picking up some great draft picks (Selwood?) before rebounding to its now dominant position. If only we could do that.