Adam Goodes should promote the King Kong musical

[plugger66]

Stupid thing to say by Eddie. Was a racist comment for sure but i actually dont think he is racist. He is an idiot and racist on this occasion. I hope those who think it is alright to call black people apes arent now upset becuse it was Ed. Expect some consistancy there.

[joffaboy]

Stupid thing to say by Eddie. Was a racist comment for sure but i actually dont think he is racist. He is an idiot and racist on this occasion. I hope those who think it is alright to call black people apes arent now upset becuse it was Ed. Expect some consistancy there.

Did McGuire call a black person an ape?

[Devilhead]

[

I'll make any call I like Miss Bossy Boots. I didn't order you to agree with it. Get hysterical and frenzied if you must, couldn't care less about your fauz outrage.

The only person getting hysterical and frenzied here seems to be you

[plugger66]

Stupid thing to say by Eddie. Was a racist comment for sure but i actually dont think he is racist. He is an idiot and racist on this occasion. I hope those who think it is alright to call black people apes arent now upset becuse it was Ed. Expect some consistancy there.

Did McGuire call a black person an ape?

No I dont believe so and even more reason why those who werent upset at what the girl said shouldnt be at all upset with ed.

[Eastern]

Is Eddie McGuire a racist? Only HE can honestly answer.

Did Eddie McGuire make a racist comment? Definitely YES

!!

When?

Not today in my opinion. He made a comment on the PR industry and what would have happened in the old days. What he should have done was not associate last Saturdays ape furore with King Kong.

It was a dumb stupid association and he cocked up badly. I dont think it was a racist remark at all in a direct sense, the observation was more in line with "the PR industry is so dumb they would try to get Adam Goodes to promote King Kong after last weeks racism row".

it is certainly associated with the racism ape comment, but I dont think racist in itself. Just a dumb thoughtless, stupid mistake that will re-ignite the ape race debate.

We need to take Eddie out of it for a second. Did Adam Goodes, Harry O'Brien and others take offence to what was said/infered? The answer is YES, and it is THAT that makes it a racist comment. I agree that it was dumb, stupid and a c**k up. What I'm trying to get across is that there can be a MASSIVE difference between a Racist Comment and a Racist Person !!

[joffaboy]

Stupid thing to say by Eddie. Was a racist comment for sure but i actually dont think he is racist. He is an idiot and racist on this occasion. I hope those who think it is alright to call black people apes arent now upset becuse it was Ed. Expect some consistancy there.

Did McGuire call a black person an ape?

No I dont believe so and even more reason why those who werent upset at what the girl said shouldnt be at all upset with ed.

OK see what you are saying.

What about the other way around. Upset over someone calling an aboriginal player an ape but not really upset over McGuire making a stupid dumb mistake and association and flaring the issue up again?

[plugger66]

Did McGuire call a black person an ape?

No I dont believe so and even more reason why those who werent upset at what the girl said shouldnt be at all upset with ed.

OK see what you are saying.

What about the other way around. Upset over someone calling an aboriginal player an ape but not really upset over McGuire making a stupid dumb mistake and association and flaring the issue up again?

Each to there own. I am not that upset with Eddie but i think the comment was racist but i also dont think Eddie is racist. I think he was an idiot today.

[joffaboy]

Is Eddie McGuire a racist? Only HE can honestly answer.

Did Eddie McGuire make a racist comment? Definitely YES

!!

When?

Not today in my opinion. He made a comment on the PR industry and what would have happened in the old days. What he should have done was not associate last Saturdays ape furore with King Kong.

It was a dumb stupid association and he cocked up badly. I dont think it was a racist remark at all in a direct sense, the observation was more in line with "the PR industry is so dumb they would try to get Adam Goodes to promote King Kong after last weeks racism row".

it is certainly associated with the racism ape comment, but I dont think racist in itself. Just a dumb thoughtless, stupid mistake that will re-ignite the ape race debate.

We need to take Eddie out of it for a second. Did Adam Goodes, Harry O'Brien and others take offence to what was said/infered? The answer is YES, and it is THAT that makes it a racist comment. I agree that it was dumb, stupid and a c**k up. What I'm trying to get across is that there can be a MASSIVE difference between a Racist Comment and a Racist Person !!

Ok fair enough.

Playing devils advocate here for a moment, and I am not saying this happened in this case, would a comment be construed as racist if someone who had been subjected to discrimination because of their race or skin colour got upset by the content even if there was absolutely no way it could be construed as racist.

For example if Kraouker got upset at the Saints supporter who sledged him about his assault conviction and tweeted that it was racist, in your eyes it would be even if there was nothing at all to do with his race?

[markp]

I think his intent here is not only unknowable, but irrelevant.

What was rex's intent when he said neon leon was as black as a dog's guts?... Or mal brown when he called indigenous teammates the cannibals?... Or McAllister when he said 'as long as they behave like white people'?... What about the 13 year old?

Who knows, who cares.

The publicly articulated association is utterly appalling and totally out of order, and as it was made in public should be condemned wholeheartedly in public, by the public.

And Ed is an absolute hypocrite.

[Sobraz]

Ok Joffa so you have a go at me for going over the top (in my one post that you broke down into 4), yet you want to ban a 13 year old girl, for life I presume, and claim to know for sure that she meant Ape in a racist sense??

Irrespective of if she did or didn't, it is a racist remark and hopefully a % of the public can learn from a young girls mistake... The reason why this has become an Eddie debate is because he has pretty much undone all the good work he did immediately after, and what Goodes and the AFL did in the following days, by saying it's ok to joke about it, just dont use it as abuse...

[Eastern]

Joffa, I have been thinking about the Krakour incident. There is NO WAY that anyone could/should interpret that as racist. Yes, it can be seen as offensive, but NOT racist !!

[joffaboy]

The publicly articulated association is utterly appalling and totally out of order, and as it was made in public should be condemned wholeheartedly in public, by the public.

And Ed is an absolute hypocrite.

Agree with all of this.

Does that make what he said racist? I tend to think not.

Personally I tend to believe it was a terrible arrogant misjudgement that would, even by association, have opened up Goodes's wound rom Friday night.

It was dumb and unpardonable. McGuire has made an unconditional apology and is not deflecting or making excuses.

He should know better and that is the point. Not that he is a racist or even the comment was racist. McGuire is in a position of responsibility, as a broadcaster and as the president of the largest AFL club in the land.

I just think the lynch mob mentality over this is way out of hand.

[3rd generation saint]

What staggers me is that any filth Neanderthal can make any derogatory comment regarding how far along the evolutionary scale someone else is.
The simple fact is that all are much further along than any of them are.
In regards to Eddie, he needs to be quarantined, another case of foot in mouth disease, idiotic and uncalled for.
You can make excuses for a 13 year old, but for a person in Eddie's position, just that filth Neanderthal brain at work.
As for King Kong, I've got tickets for July 6, looking forward to it, though I am told it may be a good idea to get out of theatre when Carl Denham calls for the press to take some pictures of Kong and Miss Darrow.
Wonder if the producers thought of hiring the Filth cheer squad to play the role of the uncivilised natives on Kong's island.
Can just see Joffa as the chief saying "Kong imbala Kong!"

[joffaboy]

Ok Joffa so you have a go at me for going over the top (in my one post that you broke down into 4), yet you want to ban a 13 year old girl, for life I presume, and claim to know for sure that she meant Ape in a racist sense??

I think you should re-read the post then. Said neither of those things

Irrespective of if she did or didn't, it is a racist remark and hopefully a % of the public can learn from a young girls mistake...

sure

The reason why this has become an Eddie debate is because he has pretty much undone all the good work he did immediately after, and what Goodes and the AFL did in the following days, by saying it's ok to joke about it, just dont use it as abuse...

Dont think McGire said it was OK to joke about it. he was make a rather tawdry observation about the PR industry and didn't stop his mouth from running away with it.

But the biggest issue is that it has re-ignited the racist ape comment, which would horrify McGuire and upset Goodes.

[The Fireman]

Collingwood has a poor track record and this is just another little saga to add to the Collingwood scrapbook of misdemeanours . Alan Macellester ring a bell?
anyway Maguire is a modern day Houdini and it will interesting to see how he pulls himself out of this one, mind you it will not help him in the future when he has to tackle another racist incident at his club which is, I believe inevitable.

Mud Sticks.

[mullet]

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mcg ... 2napr.html

Noice.

Goodes hasn't accepted Eddie's apology and even better Harry O has turned on his prez.

The real good that can come out of this is destabilising Collingwood. I don't think they will have many fans on Friday night at the Gabba. Go Lions!

Really??? the real good that can come out of this is destabilising Collingwood????? Are you serious?

[Enrico_Misso]

If you switch on Channel 9 now - Ed's in the Hot Seat

[st.byron]

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mcg ... 2napr.html

Noice.

Goodes hasn't accepted Eddie's apology and even better Harry O has turned on his prez.

The real good that can come out of this is destabilising Collingwood. I don't think they will have many fans on Friday night at the Gabba. Go Lions!

Really??? the real good that can come out of this is destabilising Collingwood????? Are you serious?

Like St.Pav said, he's out of his depth. SP doesn't actually get the point about thinking racist thoughts. He just doesn't have awareness about it. What to do?
In his case, carry on as before with a bit of shyte stirring thrown in.

[st.byron]

Cheers to everyone posting. Good thread. Robust debate, disagreement, varying opinions and perspectives, sfa nasty personal abuse. Like it.

[Enrico_Misso]

Here's a surprise.

Chan 9 news at 6pm devoted the first 2 mins to "Eddie's brain fade"
and included Dimwit giving support to Eddie.

Chan 7 gave it the first 5 mins and presented Eddie in a much less favourable light.

[The Fireman]

On a side issue, I have just become a Grandad, mom son and baby all good and at home, they came from hospital with a baby pack containing all the all the things you would expect in it but get this....there was a cardboard cutout of a Collingwood jumper with a note attached on how to get a baby membership. My son of course tore it up immediately and binned it but what a fantastic recruiting ploy. No wonder the bogun empire is expanding at such a rate

[The Fireman]

If someone was to ask you to select a certain AFL club that you thought maybe generally racist what answer would you give ?


Honestly.

noone has answered this...not worth answering ? Just wondering

[Waltzing St Kilda]

They're talking about extreme publicity for KING KONG.

Eddie hunts through his weary brain for some topical connection. First things that pops up is Adam Goodes. Tries to be funny, edgy. A comment more on the publicity machine than anything.

Doesn't work. Eddie tries to "walk it back" but only makes it worse.

Eddie deserves some flak but I too am worried that too much opprobrium will only give fuel to the anti-PC brigade. Already I can see an apologetic Eddie on THE FOOTY SHOW with Sam Newman beside him simmering with righteous indignation.

[Enrico_Misso]

On a side issue, I have just become a Grandad, mom son and baby all good and at home, they came from hospital with a baby pack containing all the all the things you would expect in it but get this....there was a cardboard cutout of a Collingwood jumper with a note attached on how to get a baby membership. My son of course tore it up immediately and binned it but what a fantastic recruiting ploy. No wonder the bogun empire is expanding at such a rate

You would think they would focus more on target groups
- like single mothers

Congrats by the way!

[joffaboy]

If someone was to ask you to select a certain AFL club that you thought maybe generally racist what answer would you give ?


Honestly.

noone has answered this...not worth answering ? Just wondering

Well its pretty obvious

Nicky - jumper photo - Vic Park

Their captain at the time said anything goes to put off a player including racism

President said aboriginals should act like "white people"

Monkhorst v Long

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