The Day Nicky Winmar took a stand (The Age)

[PaytonPlace]

Just gone up online...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/t ... 2hydd.html

Victoria park just sure sounds swell...

Now, Winmar's action is the focus of an exhibition at the National Sports Museum at the MCG; of Black under the jumper, The image that shaped a nation, a book to be published later this year by Victoria University's Matthew Klugman and Queensland University's Gary Osmond; and of Silent Shout: The Nicky Winmar Story, a documentary on Winmar's life by US-born, Australian-based Tim O'Brien.

[saintbrat]

Gilbert McAdam played his part- Kicking 5 goals to help defeat the Pies.

[mr six o'clock]

Unfortunately collingwood fans are still Scum !

Or am I being unfair ?

[roskilde]

thanks for the link, fantasic article.

Wouldn't have beleived the Collingwood presidents comments afterwards if I hadn't just read them.

Makes me cherish my Nicky Winmar autograph even more.

[Bernard Shakey]

Victoria park just sure sounds swell...

Just like Moorabbin was!

[saintsRrising]

A Saint that truly changed the game, and society in general.

And one of my favourite St Kilda players ever to boot.

[gringo]

I used to get riled that that moment started the whole issue and Essendon stole the praise for Nicky's bravery. He is finally recognised for his role in turning aussies opinions. Proud to have had him as a Saint- still one of my all time favourites and a shy humble man.

[Life Long Saint]

I still have the bitter memory of him walking out on the club a few days later.
As iconic as that image is it will always remind me of the time when the tail wagged the dog at our football club.

[saintspremiers]

I still have the bitter memory of him walking out on the club a few days later.
As iconic as that image is it will always remind me of the time when the tail wagged the dog at our football club.

Fair point.

It was a shambles until Plympton sorted it out.

He was prob my favourite prez. Way better than Casper.

[bergholt]

Gilbert McAdam played his part- Kicking 5 goals to help defeat the Pies.

I watched some early 90s highlights on youtube the other day - I'd forgotten how good Gilberto was. I reckon Terry Milera should watch all his tapes and try to work out how to be as good, they're very similar players.

[CURLY]

Still laugh that some bloke paid so much for the wrong jumper.

[PaytonPlace]

Little bit more about the exhibition in this link

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/p ... 2hydt.html

[stinger]

Unfortunately collingwood fans are still Scum !

Or am I being unfair ?

no ...you are being more than fair......i once heard filth fans racially abusing one of their own players....disgusting...... no one in that filth cheer squad would be fit to lick cuz's boots ffs.....

[PaytonPlace]

Unfortunately collingwood fans are still Scum !

Or am I being unfair ?

no ...you are being more than fair......i once heard filth fans racially abusing one of their own players....disgusting...... no one in that filth cheer squad would be fit to lick cuz's boots ffs.....

And from my own experiences, think I wrote before the only Collingwood game I went to as a footy fan (ie not involving us) skinheaded bloke grabbed me and was going to headbutt me for pointing out Maxwell was outmarked (which, er, he was)...I was "disrespecting magpie nation!" or some such gubbins...

I'm a pretty small blonde girl, so obviously he really lived up to his teams stereotype...

[Dr Spaceman]

And from my own experiences, think I wrote before the only Collingwood game I went to as a footy fan (ie not involving us) skinheaded bloke grabbed me and was going to headbutt me for pointing out Maxwell was outmarked (which, er, he was)...I was "disrespecting magpie nation!" or some such gubbins...

I'm just rapt you managed to get gubbins into a post PP.

My father in law would be very impressed

[stinger]

And from my own experiences, think I wrote before the only Collingwood game I went to as a footy fan (ie not involving us) skinheaded bloke grabbed me and was going to headbutt me for pointing out Maxwell was outmarked (which, er, he was)...I was "disrespecting magpie nation!" or some such gubbins...

I'm just rapt you managed to get gubbins into a post PP.

My father in law would be very impressed

gubbins
Pronunciation: /ˈgʌbɪnz/

Definition ofgubbins
noun
[treated as singular or plural] British informal

miscellaneous items; paraphernalia:all the latest films, books, and electronic gubbins
[treated as singular] a gadget:a little gubbins he had made as a boy

Origin:

mid 16th century (in the sense 'fragments'): from obsolete gobbon 'piece, slice, gob', from Old French; probably related to gobbet. Current senses date from the early 20th century




who says you don't learn something everyday.....

[mr six o'clock]

And from my own experiences, think I wrote before the only Collingwood game I went to as a footy fan (ie not involving us) skinheaded bloke grabbed me and was going to headbutt me for pointing out Maxwell was outmarked (which, er, he was)...I was "disrespecting magpie nation!" or some such gubbins...

I'm just rapt you managed to get gubbins into a post PP.

My father in law would be very impressed

gubbins
Pronunciation: /ˈgʌbɪnz/

Definition ofgubbins
noun
[treated as singular or plural] British informal

miscellaneous items; paraphernalia:all the latest films, books, and electronic gubbins
[treated as singular] a gadget:a little gubbins he had made as a boy

Origin:

mid 16th century (in the sense 'fragments'): from obsolete gobbon 'piece, slice, gob', from Old French; probably related to gobbet. Current senses date from the early 20th century




who says you don't learn something everyday.....

I just thought she was a kiwi calling the man a gibbon !

[PaytonPlace]

And from my own experiences, think I wrote before the only Collingwood game I went to as a footy fan (ie not involving us) skinheaded bloke grabbed me and was going to headbutt me for pointing out Maxwell was outmarked (which, er, he was)...I was "disrespecting magpie nation!" or some such gubbins...

I'm just rapt you managed to get gubbins into a post PP.

My father in law would be very impressed

Sounds great saying it in an American accent, really does...

[PaytonPlace]

And from my own experiences, think I wrote before the only Collingwood game I went to as a footy fan (ie not involving us) skinheaded bloke grabbed me and was going to headbutt me for pointing out Maxwell was outmarked (which, er, he was)...I was "disrespecting magpie nation!" or some such gubbins...

I'm just rapt you managed to get gubbins into a post PP.

My father in law would be very impressed

gubbins
Pronunciation: /ˈgʌbɪnz/

Definition ofgubbins
noun
[treated as singular or plural] British informal

miscellaneous items; paraphernalia:all the latest films, books, and electronic gubbins
[treated as singular] a gadget:a little gubbins he had made as a boy

Origin:

mid 16th century (in the sense 'fragments'): from obsolete gobbon 'piece, slice, gob', from Old French; probably related to gobbet. Current senses date from the early 20th century




who says you don't learn something everyday.....

Oh I aim to inform! At least something good has come out of my near headbutt incident! My use of the word gubbins!

[mcadam05]

I Have post some videos on the game

Match higlights and most of the last 1/4



Here's the ch9 Footy show the next day with a great McAdam Interview and you get the club song AWESOME!

[HelenR]

My son's English teacher used this article in their Year 9 class today. The book they are reading is about aboriginal racism and the teacher used the Winmar incident as an example. We watched the last quarter on You tube when he came home from school and I told him what it was like to go to a game at Victoria Park.

[saintbrat]

a couple more articles-
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl ... 6622403599
this includes an extended interview with Gilbert.

http://www.saints.com.au/news/2013-04-1 ... ng-as-ever

[Megamaguire]

I always was a big fan of Nicky Winmar. His marks and bursts of speed were often spectacular and inspiring.

I remember the day Nicky raised his guernsey and let the ignorant people have it after having to hear
their pathetic and unsporting comments. Nicky Winmar took a great stand for fairness and respect that day and as a result left a great legacy to Australian Rules Football and the rest of us.

I also remember that after the final siren was sounded a Saints supporter headed to the middle of the oval and played his didgeredoo ! Pure Gold!
Amazingly Nicky was still out there and agreed to play some on it as well when invited.

What a scene!!!!!!

Even then as some of us were trying to comprehend the weirdness and symbolism of all this - on the back of a famous Saints win @ Vic Park we felt it was extra significant.

Hope Cuz is travelling well, I still appreciate the memories.

G O N I C K Y !

G O S A I N T S !

[saintbrat]

an interesting read from Caro on the 'otherside' the player who exhibits the taunts - in the time


Gilbert really has done a lot toward changing ideas'

In Shaw's defence, it always seemed a little unfair that, despite his indefensible comments, he was singled out. At the very least his honesty highlighted a festering sore within the competition when the game at the time was clearly riddled with so many other undiscovered racists and racist sledgers.

Shaw places himself in the latter category. ''What I hated was being called a racist,'' he recalls now. ''That still sickens me. What I said was wrong, I know that, but I hope it's now seen as a comment from a different time. Had I made the same comment 10 years earlier - and I'm not defending myself - no one would have batted an eyelid.''

It took the AFL almost four more seasons to respond to the issue, which Shaw summed up all those years ago with the following comment, which again illustrates how life and sport have happily changed: ''People are too serious now and the umpires are like robots,'' he said, ''but I can't remember ever being reported for calling someone a black bastard.''

Gilbert McAdam's comments at the time were almost as significant as Shaw's. The player who would be alongside Winmar on that famous day exactly 20 years ago against Collingwood actually admitted how painful he found the combination of racism and playing football.

''Anywhere else you can take them to a court,'' said the former Saint. ''On the footy field, who hears you? It really hurts us when they say things about our colour. As a white person, you can't know how much it hurts us. We're really proud of what we are.''

That McAdam was prepared to highlight what even some indigenous players felt was an admission of weakness on the eve of the finals in which St Kilda would play a part speaks volumes in a historic sense. The late Maurice Rioli said at the time: ''Of course you take it personally. But if you let them know it's getting to you, then you shouldn't be playing.''

And Tony Shaw? The hall-of-famer and Norm Smith medallist said his level of discomfort and worse has dissipated over the years. ''Perhaps in the wash-up it helped,'' he says now. ''That's not why I did it but if it helped bring it to the forefront then I guess I'm happy with that.''

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/r ... z2Qumg4PR8

[Sainternist]

I feel quite privileged that I attended that match. Most certainly an unforgettable day in my memory.