Thoughts on Tommy Walsh by a Sydney Fan

[stinger]

what a f****** stupid useless thread.....but then look who started it....walsh is long gone...a loser...don't know if that will change....don't much care either....build a f****** bridge and get over it ffs......

[stinger]

Didn't we get Dal Santo effectively for Hall? I regard that as a win.

yep....a good win...

[Scollop]

Question marks remain over TW and TL, but I'm 100% certain that Saints are better off with SW as head coach - the time was right for a forward thinking teacher of our emerging leaders. RL will forever be basking in the glory of winning 19 games in a row at the St.K. Football Club

Also pretty sure after reading jb's posts, that he likes to antagonise and bully other posters and doesn't add much else

You seem to bask in Watters glory of winning what 12 games? In his entire career? Not consecutive.

I like Watters. I just think your logic is poor.

You're missing the point. You and jb don't contribute much except bagging other posters. I don't give a rats toss bag what you seem to think and I don't give a rats toss bag if SW never wins 12 in a row in his entire career as long as the Sainters recruit and develop young talent and there are some loyal servants worthy of captaining the team in the next few years.

In my opinion, RL's neglect in these areas was not only poor long term thinking, but also one of the key reasons that we didn't win the ultimate. The competition for spots and the depth was weak because he was a stubborn prick and he stuck with his role players instead of introducing youth and speed. But hey...that's just my opinion. You can believe whatever you want to believe, you can reminisce with RL about how well he coached his former club, and just keep blaming the players

[samuraisaint]

over at Bigfooty...

Interesting read. Basically got Newnes, Markworth and Maister for him.

And some awesome students of the game on this site built up a straw man argument that Lyon was deliberately not playing him and this was the reason we lost the next Plugger/Loewe/Reiwoldt rolled into one.

All Lyons fault hey? Longmire must not be able to develop players either hey?

Lets face it, Walsh is below average and seems as though he has Buckleys of making it in AFL.

Time for the whiners and slanderers of Ross Lyon regarding Tommy Walsh to fess that they know SFA when it comes to development of players and the reasons why some do and some dont get selected.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/t ... sh.991346/

I was one of the whingers. I put my hand up.
But we can all laugh now though because the Swines posters on BigFooty can't get rid of TommyGun quickly enough. In fact they are lamenting that he will still be contracted for season 2014. It was a masterstroke by Walsh really. He now has two years fully contratcted on good bank in Sydney to play scholyard footy against Pennant Hills and North Shore. Talk about Luck of the Irish

[samuraisaint]

I'm still reeling from the loss of Paul Cahill…

Better than Milney one poster actually said. Since then Milne has been AA twice and paul has gone to AA twice.

What happened to Cahill?

[SydneySainter]

Didn't we get Dal Santo effectively for Hall? I regard that as a win.

Win-win for both clubs really!

[slider]

what a f****** stupid useless thread.....but then look who started it....walsh is long gone...a loser...don't know if that will change....don't much care either....build a f****** bridge and get over it ffs......

Any chance you could post in English instead of childish jibber? no i didnt think so

[BigMart]

It was no recruiting master stroke

Both (lynch/walsh) were required players when they left.... Lucky for us, it worked out well it seems...

Newnes will be better than Lynch
Wilkes better than Walsh

Markworth is a bonus

[stinger]

what a f****** stupid useless thread.....but then look who started it....walsh is long gone...a loser...don't know if that will change....don't much care either....build a f****** bridge and get over it ffs......

Any chance you could post in English instead of childish jibber? no i didnt think so

any chance you can disappear up your own primary orifice..... some of us can hope so...if you can't read what i post then who's the child....either that or a fairly dumb adult....

[thejiggingsaint]

I watched Sandy on several occasions when Walsh played, and quite honestly i thought he was a (potentially) GOP, tried hard but was far from the "messiah" that some were demanding a spot in the side for as a way to turn around our fotunes in 2011

[saintly]

I watched Sandy on several occasions when Walsh played, and quite honestly i thought he was a (potentially) GOP, tried hard but was far from the "messiah" that some were demanding a spot in the side for as a way to turn around our fotunes in 2011

but we still could have tired f\him for a game or two in 2011 just to see what he was like. he did get a couple BOGs

[samoht]

I agree with Stinger, this thread and its originator, should receive the NFI award.

I also agree with Saintly - no one was demanding a spot for TW, jiggingsaint (it's "ridiculous" to even suggest that - I thought JB had monopolised "ridiculousness"), but maybe he could have got one of Tom Lynch's games, seeing TL was tried and failed 6 times, maybe after his 6 goal haul?

[jonesy]

I remember this time two years ago,maybe 2-3 weeks earlier, someone who watches a lot of training,and posts on BF which was later linked to here, gave the most extraordinary review of Ivan drago's pre season.

There were comparisons of Leigh Matthews in there,and yes,they were serious... I hope that guy still doesn't do pre season form analysis

[samoht]

Let's face it Kosi wasn't exactly setting the world on fire, as a big forward - if Kosi and TL (the perpetual failure) made way 1 week for TW ( a big,athletic forward, who might even apply some much needed forward chase and pressure - unlike kosi) to be looked at - what would have been so wrong with that?
but that's a long way from demanding a spot for TW and having delusions of him as the next Lockett - which no one on this site did,
.. only a delusional mind would make that illogical leap and connection and make aspersions about fellow Sainters and draw such stupid conclusions, to the extent of starting a thread on it, which only serves to highlight his insanity.

[plugger66]

Let's face it Kosi wasn't exactly setting the world on fire, as a big forward - if Kosi and TL (the perpetual failure) made way 1 week for TW to be looked at - what would have been so wrong with that?
but that's a long way from demanding a spot for TW and having delusions of him as the next Lockett - which no one on this site did,
.. only a delusional mind would make that illogical connection and make aspersions about fellow Sainters and draw such stupid conclusions, to the extent of starting a thread on it, which only serves to highlight his insanity.

But the coach obviously decided he wasnt good enough to play. I still dont get what one game does anyway. Knowing our luck he would have done ok and we would be stuck with a Sandy player and missed out on who we got for him.

I still think some people who still wanted him to play are trying to justify the big wraps they had on a player that was no where near ready for AFL footy as proven by his games last year. And that doesnt mean he never will be but he obviously wasnt ready then.

[samoht]

One game after a 6 goal haul - to look at him, why not?
We might find that he could have provided us with some much needed forward chase and pressure, which Kosi was not capable of providing, for instance and kept the ball alive in our forward line, instead of having it rebound so easily?
Anyway, what was the point of TL being tried 6 times and failing .. why did it take so long before the penny finally dropped with him?
Why wasn't RL taken to task on that?
How poor is RL's judgement with TL and how well did his (failed) recycled player experiment go?.. maybe JB can start a thread on that!

[plugger66]

One game after a 6 goal haul - to look at him, why not?
We might find that he could have provided us with some forward chase and pressure, which Kosi was not capable of providing, for instance?
Anyway, what was the point of TL being tried 6 times and failing .. why did it take so long before the penny finally dropped with him?
Why wasn't RL taken to task on that?

He was by many. Most said why doesnt he give TL more chances. So how can RL be right in this case. TL was given to many chances in your opinion and not enough in others minds.

Why isnt Longmire giving TW many chances? have you thought coaches have a little more idea than us and can see if a player is ready or not?

[thejiggingsaint]

I'm not saying that TW shouldn't have "been tried"....not saying that at all. I'm simply putting the view that on what I saw of TW, he was a GOP. Which he has gone on to confirm at Sydney.

[samoht]

One game after a 6 goal haul - to look at him, why not?
We might find that he could have provided us with some forward chase and pressure, which Kosi was not capable of providing, for instance?
Anyway, what was the point of TL being tried 6 times and failing .. why did it take so long before the penny finally dropped with him?
Why wasn't RL taken to task on that?

He was by many. Most said why doesnt he give TL more chances. So how can RL be right in this case. TL was given to many chances in your opinion and not enough in others minds.

Why isnt Longmire giving TW many chances? have you thought coaches have a little more idea than us and can see if a player is ready or not?

That's why we have opinions... and that's fine.
.. but let's not take other peoples' opinions and distort them and overstate them and then throw them back in an unrecognisable state like JB does.. so he can amuse himself at other peoples' expense.

[markp]

Walsh is still yet to recover from how far Lyon set him back in his (once at least) inevitable rise to becoming the greatest AFL player of all time.

All he had to do was play him once.

[samoht]

Walsh is still yet to recover from how far Lyon set him back in his (once at least) inevitable rise to becoming the greatest AFL player of all time.

All he had to do was play him once.

JB should realise that the only people that built TW up was the media, Ricky Nixon and our club.
We all remember the fanfare, the chasing down and courting this "great white hope"/ super athlete that was promised to us all., our club St Kilda (including RL) not only bought into all this hype and experiment (another one of RL's failed experiments - on top of the recycled players, and Lovett), they were the instigators.
We were told that he equated to a first round pick.
We were all disappointed on this site that we didn't obviously get what we were promised.. but we weren't delusional.
Our club, RL, the media, Ricky Nixon, the Swans ..and last but not least JB on the other hand - definitely.

[thejiggingsaint]

Good luck to Tommy Walsh, no use in lamenting the departure of someone who was told he was a required player by S Watters and still chose to up stumps. I'm preferring to focus on the exciting prospects we have at the club NOW! simple as that

[Wrote for Luck]

I saw Walsh kick that six goal lot against the pies at Victoria Park and indeed he looked like a Mercedes Benz. The momentum was with him at that time, and if he had of been given a shot, which I think he deserved, his development/progress could have turned out different.

Anyway, Watters obviously saw something in Walsh because he tried so hard to keep him. Apart from some easy short term money, it turns out to be the worst move Walsh could have made. I was pretty cross when Walsh left, and I hope all the worst for him, and so far it is working out pretty well. I think we got Markworth for Walsh, who I rate very highly.

[thejiggingsaint]

I don't "wish the worst" for him, he chose to go, the consequences of that decision are for Walsh himself to consider at some future stage. All history now as far as I'm concerned.

[markp]

Walsh is still yet to recover from how far Lyon set him back in his (once at least) inevitable rise to becoming the greatest AFL player of all time.

All he had to do was play him once.

JB should realise that the only people that built TW up was the media, Ricky Nixon and our club.
We all remember the fanfare, the chasing down and courting this "great white hope"/ super athlete that was promised to us all., our club St Kilda (including RL) not only bought into all this hype and experiment (another one of RL's failed experiments - on top of the recycled players, and Lovett), they were the instigators.
We were told that he equated to a first round pick.
We were all disappointed on this site that we didn't obviously get what we were promised.. but we weren't delusional.
Our club, RL, the media, Ricky Nixon, the Swans ..and last but not least JB on the other hand - definitely.

The delusion kicked in when it was time to admit he obviously wasn't making the grade and wasn't being selected for that reason, but some folks were apoplectic that he was not played and that we let the great white hope slip away for want of Lyon giving him just one game.

I'm hanging on to that delusion... Lyon killed his career.