Joolia anti-semetic and anti-footy

[st.byron]

Election should be tomorrow so we can get effective and productive government in this country

Agreed.

All this hung parliament and pandering to minorities bulltish has to go.

FFS elect someone with a majority so we can all go back to sleep and let Canberra do what it wants.

Surprised to read that from you GO. Are you really resting easy with the prospect of Abbott as PM?

[saintspremiers]

Abbott is not ideal, and Gillard is a known failure.

It's a bad situation for our country.

Is there time for Turnbull?

[bergholt]

Abbott is not ideal, and Gillard is a known failure.

It's a bad situation for our country.

Is there time for Turnbull?

Unfortunately not, and I don't reckon he'll have the patience to hang around under Abbott for a couple of terms. The best outcome at this point is that Labor wins so that Abbott gets dumped and then Turnbull becomes leader for next time around.

[plugger66]

I reckon the best ourcome is to remove this thread to another forum.

[White Winmar]

When we die we go to paradise and root 1000 virgin Kim Duthies. It sounds a little man made to me. Happy to appoint Saintsational as my imaginary friend and embrace death rather than deny it. This has nothing to do with St Kilda.

Need a like button for this post.

Getting to root Kim Duthie is your idea of heaven? Reminds me more of the "other" place! Just ask Ricky Nixon, Sam Gilbert et al......

[robert turner]

I reckon the best ourcome is to remove this thread to another forum.

I said that about two pages ago, Plugger66 - but was called a smuck for not understanding the humour of it all.

[st.byron]

Getting to root Kim Duthie is your idea of heaven? Reminds me more of the "other" place! Just ask Ricky Nixon, Sam Gilbert et al......

No thanks. Just thought it was a humorous post.

[Dave McNamara]

The odds IMO that there is some kind of interventionist being called God - (depends of course on which faith you follow - and did they all create the Earth or was it only the Christian version? Did Allah also create the universe? How about Rama or Siva or Vishnu and if so who's version? Not sure if Guru Nanak, founder of the Sikh faith in the 1500's also created the universe) - called God who created the universe is totally incredibly ridiculous. Apart from ignoring all of the scientific evidence re the evolution of the species and the Earth, it's mind bogglingly absurd arrogance on behalf of an adherent of any faith to insist that their particular God created the universe and all within it. Did God create Muslims and Hindus too? Fair dinkum - astonishing nonsense. Next you'll be telling us that Noah's Ark actually existed.
Oh and the Seventh Day Adventists who believe that Jesus is returning any time soon and when he does there will be 144,000 chosen ones who go to heaven and a further million believers who will live as immortals for at least a thousand years on an unchanging re-formed Earth paradise, are they nuts? Or not? Doesn't seem any more ridiculous than the notion that God (and only the Christian one) created and is in charge of everything.

Wow Byron, I think your message/s got a bit tangled in all that, so I'm not sure if I'm about to address the correct point here...

I'm not arguing here that any particular deity or deities oversaw creation. I am arguing that the notion of divine intervention is not irrational, nor even unscientific. This is especially the case when looking at the odds... I think that our own DS summed this up really well...

There are incalculable examples of our 'luck'. Enough to make even a hard liner like Dawkins not totally close off the possibility of intelligent design. An atheist friend of mine just the other day pondered the result of water becoming less dense as a solid, like every other liquid. Obviously the oceans would freeze from below and the earth would be a lifeless globe.
Even without calculating the infinitesimal odds of us as individuals being created, we all are equivalent to somebody winning the lottery every week for the rest of our lives. Whether that luck is simply down to chance or something guided from beyond our ken is a matter of personal opinion.
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As for Noah's Ark, well I have no firm opinion, but maybe don't close off the books yet... the bloke who found The Titanic reckons he's now found 'the flood', and we aint' talkin' Rodney Eade... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 73143.html

Fairy stories.

Do you mean something like the unscientific irrational and delusion fantasy of a deity creating... everything out of nothing...?

"Well, something can come from nothing and that is what physicists are now telling us. I could give you - you asked me to give you a layman's interpretation. It would be very, very layman's interpretation. When you have matter and antimatter and you put them together, they cancel each other out and give rise to nothing. What Lawrence Krauss is now suggesting is that if you start with nothing the process can go into reverse and produce matter and antimatter. The theory is still being worked out. It is a very difficult theory, mathematical theory." - Richard Dawkins.
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s3469101.htm

... People twisting beliefs for their own ends and power is the central theme of every organised religion in the world. Name me one where that doesn't happen.

I think that 'centralised theme' is a bit harsh Byron(?) The problem is that a religion may (or may not) be started by a God/s, but they are run by (often very) fallible humans. That's the problem. But it's not just religious organisations that have that problem. So no, I sadly can't name you any religion were 'that doesn't happen'. But can you name me any sizable organization were ' that doesn't happen'?

Nice creationist rap Dave with a Stephen Hawking rapper.

How did you know that Stephen Hawkins is a rapper?

Actually, that's some of your finest work there Byron! A mini master class in how to disagree with someone... with style and wit. Proof/posting to back up your sage advice over on the 'Groundhog' thread IMHO...

Crikey, the vitriolic insults on here sometimes just make me wince. Is it really necessary to be so abusive? i.e "I despise turds who slime behind weasel words. Like you." Not singling that poster out, just an example.
Would you actually speak to anyone like that?
Pretty easy from behind an anonymous nic on a forum I suppose. But it just gives such a rotten feel to the forum.
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Also IMHO, be it Noah's Ark, politics, faith v humanism... for me, ultimately what's most important can be expressed something like this...

"An alliance against a common foe - which is this massive social and moral decline that it seems to me we're seeing everywhere - that's where the future really lies, not in the glorified c**k fights that we saw on Saintsational at times. " - Scott Stephens, ABC Religion and Ethics editor

[stinger]

Anyway, not always easy educating the ignorant and stupid I guess. Too easy to be a keyboard warrior these days!

did you expect anything more??

[stinger]

With neither of them being Aussies, I am not surprised how little they know. Although Julia makes an effort though.

foreign gits...both of them....wouldn't get a gig in the good old us of a.....

Sure they would, you don't have to be born there to get into Congress.

geez, you're dumb wobble boy...and you keep on proving it..........they couldn't be president if they were not born in america....i was talking about those two idiots being pm ffs.....

both of them are a disgrace to their countries of birth...imhfo....

[stinger]

Time to lock this one mods. The nastiness meter is peaking way in the red zone. Abusive, nasty and downright unpleasant. Lock it or bump it somewhere else but this has got nothing to do with footy and the vitriol and ugliness on display does nothing for the quality of the forum.

what???...someone getting stuck into one of your mates.?????...how sad...

[stinger]

And really, isn't it more about respecting others beliefs...regardless of what they might be?

Serious? Do you respect Scientologists?

those pricks were banned once in victoria...it should have stayed that way.......evil bastards....imhfo...

[st.byron]

Time to lock this one mods. The nastiness meter is peaking way in the red zone. Abusive, nasty and downright unpleasant. Lock it or bump it somewhere else but this has got nothing to do with footy and the vitriol and ugliness on display does nothing for the quality of the forum.

what???...someone getting stuck into one of your mates.?????...how sad...

Nah Stinger, you're off the mark there. I don't really have SS allegiances against common foes. I suppose my politics being left of centre aligns me with people who are like minded but that's about it as far as allegiances go.
It's really just the ugliness of the personal insults that passes as normal on here. It's abusive, ugly and often really really unpleasant. i.e "I despise turds who slime behind weasel words. Like you." Would whoever wrote that ever actually speak to anyone like that? Maybe in an extreme argument or something. It's just so abusive and it seems to be par for the course for number of posters.
And I'm really just saying that for me, it makes me think twice about being a member. Banter, confrontation, disagreement, arguments - all good, especially with a bit of wit. It's the grist of any forum. But the aggressive personal slander and abuse that actually adds zero quality or substance to any debate, it's just ugly and unnecessary.

[saintspremiers]

Time to lock this one mods. The nastiness meter is peaking way in the red zone. Abusive, nasty and downright unpleasant. Lock it or bump it somewhere else but this has got nothing to do with footy and the vitriol and ugliness on display does nothing for the quality of the forum.

what???...someone getting stuck into one of your mates.?????...how sad...

Nah Stinger, you're off the mark there. I don't really have SS allegiances against common foes. I suppose my politics being left of centre aligns me with people who are like minded but that's about it as far as allegiances go.
It's really just the ugliness of the personal insults that passes as normal on here. It's abusive, ugly and often really really unpleasant. i.e "I despise turds who slime behind weasel words. Like you." Would whoever wrote that ever actually speak to anyone like that? Maybe in an extreme argument or something. It's just so abusive and it seems to be par for the course for number of posters.
And I'm really just saying that for me, it makes me think twice about being a member. Banter, confrontation, disagreement, arguments - all good, especially with a bit of wit. It's the grist of any forum. But the aggressive personal slander and abuse that actually adds zero quality or substance to any debate, it's just ugly and unnecessary.

The old bastard clearly had some Viagra.

[st.byron]

Do you mean something like the unscientific irrational and delusion fantasy of a deity creating... everything out of nothing...?

Also IMHO, be it Noah's Ark, politics, faith v humanism... for me, ultimately what's most important can be expressed something like this...
"An alliance against a common foe - which is this massive social and moral decline that it seems to me we're seeing everywhere - that's where the future really lies, not in the glorified c**k fights that we saw on Saintsational at times.

Hey Dave. My rave was clearly unclear as I received a PM from another poster. Yes that's exactly what I meant by 'fairy stories'. To me the notion of intelligent design is a fairy story. Same as Noah's Ark.

And yep you're exactly right about religions being run by fallible human beings. And in that the central message of the teacher/master/god gets completely lost under a mountain of rituals, fancy clothing, dogma and personal power agendas. And nope I can't name any organisation I've worked for where personal power politics aren't playing a big role.

And your point about humanism and what's really important. We're on the same page.

[bergholt]

Serious? Do you respect Scientologists?

those pricks were banned once in victoria...it should have stayed that way.......evil bastards....imhfo...

Safe to say that the only reason they still prosper is because of lawyers, and more broadly, a legal system which says that those with the most cash get the most "justice".

At least the lawyers get rich though, eh?

[St Igmata]

Got news for you , Judaism was the first religion, long before some Jew ( A bloke I believed was called Jesus) fragmented off into his own religions and got picked up by his own bunch of followers adn there is every chance their religion and faither will be marching on long after Christianity takes a dive .

Laughable post!!!

Tell us when to stop laughing.....

[saintspremiers]

Got news for you , Judaism was the first religion, long before some Jew ( A bloke I believed was called Jesus) fragmented off into his own religions and got picked up by his own bunch of followers adn there is every chance their religion and faither will be marching on long after Christianity takes a dive .

Laughable post!!!

Tell us when to stop laughing.....

PLEASE EXPLAIN.

[St Igmata]

You were serious wernt you???


Two lines and yet so much utter rubbish... i dont know where to begin.

Ok firstly place a date on Judaism that comes before any other religion that was dated historically... and we will work through your misguided rant

[St Igmata]

Still laughing.
I thought it was ridiculous none of you could ever back it up.
A bit hateful towards Christianity also. Anti Christian you boys tsk tsk

[bergholt]

Still laughing.
I thought it was ridiculous none of you could ever back it up.
A bit hateful towards Christianity also. Anti Christian you boys tsk tsk

You have to remember that adhering strictly to a religion means you need to justify your irrationality by adding in an irrational hatred of other religions. They're all arbitrary so the only way to make yours seem less arbitrary is to close your mind to it.

[hungry for a premiership]

saintspremiers wrote:

The silly twat calls an election for Yom Kippur , also semi finals weekend.

NFI!


And Tony Abbot is better!!!

Biggest bigot I've ever seen in politics.


These are just some of the things that have come from his lips... talk about NFI!

On immigration:

1. ‘Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it’s not necessarily everyone’s place to come to Australia.’

2. ‘These people aren’t so much seeking asylum, they’re seeking permanent residency. If they were happy with temporary protection visas, then they might be able to argue better that they were asylum seekers’

On rights at work:

3. ‘If we’re honest, most of us would accept that a bad boss is a little bit like a bad father or a bad husband … you find that he tends to do more good than harm. He might be a bad boss but at least he’s employing someone while he is in fact a boss.’

On women:

4. ‘The problem with the Australian practice of abortion is that an objectively grave matter has been reduced to a question of the mother’s convenience.’

5. ‘I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons’

6. ‘I think there does need to be give and take on both sides, and this idea that sex is kind of a woman’s right to absolutely withhold, just as the idea that sex is a man’s right to demand I think they are both they both need to be moderated, so to speak’

7. ‘What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing is that if they get it done commercially it’s going to go up in price and their own power bills when they switch the iron on are going to go up, every year…’

On Julia Gillard:

8. ‘Gillard won’t lie down and die’

On climate change:

9. ‘Climate change is absolute crap’

10. ‘If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax.’

On homosexuality:

11. ‘I’d probably … I feel a bit threatened’

12. ‘If you’d asked me for advice I would have said to have – adopt a sort of “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy about all of these things…’

On Indigenous Australia:

13. ‘Now, I know that there are some Aboriginal people who aren’t happy with Australia Day. For them it remains Invasion Day. I think a better view is the view of Noel Pearson, who has said that Aboriginal people have much to celebrate in this country’s British Heritage’

14. ‘Western civilisation came to this country in 1788 and I’m proud of that…’

15. ‘There may not be a great job for them but whatever there is, they just have to do it, and if it’s picking up rubbish around the community, it just has to be done’

On Nicola Roxon:

16: ‘That’s bulls***. You’re being deliberately unpleasant. I suppose you can’t help yourself, can you?’

[bergsone]

We havent got much to pick from have we