Illicit drug loophole - which club?

[Eastern]

I think when the story breaks you will find that it is a small number of players who have used this loophole on multiple occasions.

So you know the full story? Who the club and players are? And how many times?

And if it is the case that only the player and Dr knows and a story is going to break, does that mean that there is a breach of doctor patient confidentiality?

Does the doctor realise they are breaking this confidentiality?

Are you suggesting that a story will break in which a club or clubs have a doctor ordoctors who are willfully covering rec drug use by the same player or players over multiple occasions and are not doing anything about this multiple use?

A little memory jolt for you;

A few years ago Ch 7 were offerd the Medical Files of a number of Hawthorn players. They just hapened to out the front of The Ivanhoe Centre (The AFL's prefered rehab Centre for players on 2 Strikes) at the time. It took the AFL about 10 minutes to get an injunction on that Friday Night. These stories get out one way or another, as will this one !!

[Siposstar#2]

I went out on the 21st of December. It's fair to say I know one club which has about 5-6 players on the gear!
And 2 of these players REALLY shocked me.

So they took gear in front of you? Now that makes sense with the days of I phones. Im sorry to say I cant beleive anyone would do that.

No plugger they did not take it on front of me. But that does not mean anything!
Have you ever been tired? Yes! So you know what a tired person looks like.
Have you ever seen someone and known they weren't well? Yes!
Have you ever seen someone and known they were drunk? Yes!
Have you ever seen someone and known they were in a bad mood? Yes!
Its not something I'm proud of. But I have tried recreational drugs and am now clean off it.
So yes I know when someone has had some drugs it's clear as day!
Pupils the size of craters, smile from ear to ear, eyes WIDE open. and lovey to everyone. Also drinking water all night!

You don't have to believe me in what I said. And it doesn't bother me.
And sorry to the person who thought I meant 'steroids' by on the gear.
I meant recreational drugs. Which realistically if everyone had rec drugs on a night out. There would be far less stabbings/punch ups in the streets. Cause when you're on rec drugs you realise that none of that bulls*** fighting matters! And you treat everyone in a club with respect and how you would want to be treated. People go out and have alcohol get pissed and start fights. And then sit there on their moral high horse whilst cracking a can judging people who have experimented with rec drugs as they are 'illegal'
Which is only due to the fact that when people get addicted they ruin lives.

I believe the government an nightclubs have bought this whole issue on them selves by pushing up the prices of drinks so much!
A Uni student working part time during the week going out 2-3 nights a week can't afford $150 per night on drinks or $15 for a shot. It's bulls*** so they spend $30 on a pill an that lasts them all night and they drink water in the club.

That's no excuse for the high profile players on massive salaries though!

[joffaboy]

I think when the story breaks you will find that it is a small number of players who have used this loophole on multiple occasions.

So you know the full story? Who the club and players are? And how many times?

And if it is the case that only the player and Dr knows and a story is going to break, does that mean that there is a breach of doctor patient confidentiality?

Does the doctor realise they are breaking this confidentiality?

Are you suggesting that a story will break in which a club or clubs have a doctor ordoctors who are willfully covering rec drug use by the same player or players over multiple occasions and are not doing anything about this multiple use?

A little memory jolt for you;

A few years ago Ch 7 were offerd the Medical Files of a number of Hawthorn players. They just hapened to out the front of The Ivanhoe Centre (The AFL's prefered rehab Centre for players on 2 Strikes) at the time. It took the AFL about 10 minutes to get an injunction on that Friday Night. These stories get out one way or another, as will this one !!

That was about players with three strikes and you dont have to be my buddy to tell me who some of the players were.

This is about a club or clubs doctors willfully and deliberately allowing a player or players to use the "fess up" excuse on rec drugs a number of times.

Can you be specific, will this be reported? Otherwise it is just one of a million football rumours doing the rounds.

[Eastern]

It's NOT just the club doctors who know of this. The people from Dorovich would know, as would any number of other people at a Footy Club. Mark Robinson (Herald Sun) suggested on SEN earlier this afternoon that there is one club that has as many as 10 players who have used self-reporting to avoid a strike. He didn't name the club but he did name and quote Gary Pert (Collingwood CEO) heaps of times. The only DEFINITE in all of this is that Footy Clubs aren't all that good at keeping secrets !!

[StevieSaint]

Let me also say this, a lot of people say that why haven't we seen pics of the players doing the drugs? And why would they do it out in the open? The footy players and celebrities know the owners of the bar, the security, they go off to the club office downstairs or at the back of the club behind close doors in the club and then come back to the club and mingle a bit, or they will have their own roped off area in the club where most patrons won't be able to enter. Outsiders who happen to also know the owner and are getting similar privileges to rack their lines and drop their pills see these a-listers and celebrities there and they wouldn't take a photo to name and shame these players. They wouldn't do it because of a number of reasons such as enjoying their own privileges, respecting the players and probably because they enjoy mixing with these players and get a kick out of it and enjoy the whole scene. Also, there are usually "heavies" around, either the security or people supplying the players with the party drugs and if someone was in these rooms and secluded areas with them they would be beaten or smacked around or warned if they got out of line or they thought they were someone who would go to the press. If anyone was a "rat" these "heavies" would sort them out to keep it from making the papers.

[gringo]

It's NOT just the club doctors who know of this. The people from Dorovich would know, as would any number of other people at a Footy Club. Mark Robinson (Herald Sun) suggested on SEN earlier this afternoon that there is one club that has as many as 10 players who have used self-reporting to avoid a strike. He didn't name the club but he did name and quote Gary Pert (Collingwood CEO) heaps of times. The only DEFINITE in all of this is that Footy Clubs aren't all that good at keeping secrets !!

The funny thing was I saw a nice piece about Sharon Wellingham and a couple of other Pies doing good work for the salvos and doing soup kitchens. The Pies gave Marley Williams the same "punishment" for his assault. Sharrod was apparently having issues at the Pies. I wonder if that might be something of the reason behind him leaving. At least at a club like WCE he should find it easy to get off the drugs- if he's on them that is.

[8856brother]

Let me also say this, a lot of people say that why haven't we seen pics of the players doing the drugs? And why would they do it out in the open? The footy players and celebrities know the owners of the bar, the security, they go off to the club office downstairs or at the back of the club behind close doors in the club and then come back to the club and mingle a bit, or they will have their own roped off area in the club where most patrons won't be able to enter. Outsiders who happen to also know the owner and are getting similar privileges to rack their lines and drop their pills see these a-listers and celebrities there and they wouldn't take a photo to name and shame these players. They wouldn't do it because of a number of reasons such as enjoying their own privileges, respecting the players and probably because they enjoy mixing with these players and get a kick out of it and enjoy the whole scene. Also, there are usually "heavies" around, either the security or people supplying the players with the party drugs and if someone was in these rooms and secluded areas with them they would be beaten or smacked around or warned if they got out of line or they thought they were someone who would go to the press. If anyone was a "rat" these "heavies" would sort them out to keep it from making the papers.

Sounds a bit like Scarface.

[saint6709]

I went out on the 21st of December. It's fair to say I know one club which has about 5-6 players on the gear!
And 2 of these players REALLY shocked me.

So they took gear in front of you? Now that makes sense with the days of I phones. Im sorry to say I cant beleive anyone would do that.

No plugger they did not take it on front of me. But that does not mean anything!
Have you ever been tired? Yes! So you know what a tired person looks like.
Have you ever seen someone and known they weren't well? Yes!
Have you ever seen someone and known they were drunk? Yes!
Have you ever seen someone and known they were in a bad mood? Yes!
Its not something I'm proud of. But I have tried recreational drugs and am now clean off it.
So yes I know when someone has had some drugs it's clear as day!
Pupils the size of craters, smile from ear to ear, eyes WIDE open. and lovey to everyone. Also drinking water all night!

You don't have to believe me in what I said. And it doesn't bother me.
And sorry to the person who thought I meant 'steroids' by on the gear.
I meant recreational drugs. Which realistically if everyone had rec drugs on a night out. There would be far less stabbings/punch ups in the streets. Cause when you're on rec drugs you realise that none of that bulls*** fighting matters! And you treat everyone in a club with respect and how you would want to be treated. People go out and have alcohol get pissed and start fights. And then sit there on their moral high horse whilst cracking a can judging people who have experimented with rec drugs as they are 'illegal'
Which is only due to the fact that when people get addicted they ruin lives.

I believe the government an nightclubs have bought this whole issue on them selves by pushing up the prices of drinks so much!
A Uni student working part time during the week going out 2-3 nights a week can't afford $150 per night on drinks or $15 for a shot. It's bulls*** so they spend $30 on a pill an that lasts them all night and they drink water in the club.

That's no excuse for the high profile players on massive salaries though!

[saint6709]

I went out on the 21st of December. It's fair to say I know one club which has about 5-6 players on the gear!
And 2 of these players REALLY shocked me.

So they took gear in front of you? Now that makes sense with the days of I phones. Im sorry to say I cant beleive anyone would do that.

No plugger they did not take it on front of me. But that does not mean anything!
Have you ever been tired? Yes! So you know what a tired person looks like.
Have you ever seen someone and known they weren't well? Yes!
Have you ever seen someone and known they were drunk? Yes!
Have you ever seen someone and known they were in a bad mood? Yes!
Its not something I'm proud of. But I have tried recreational drugs and am now clean off it.
So yes I know when someone has had some drugs it's clear as day!
Pupils the size of craters, smile from ear to ear, eyes WIDE open. and lovey to everyone. Also drinking water all night!

You don't have to believe me in what I said. And it doesn't bother me.
And sorry to the person who thought I meant 'steroids' by on the gear.
I meant recreational drugs. Which realistically if everyone had rec drugs on a night out. There would be far less stabbings/punch ups in the streets. Cause when you're on rec drugs you realise that none of that bulls*** fighting matters! And you treat everyone in a club with respect and how you would want to be treated. People go out and have alcohol get pissed and start fights. And then sit there on their moral high horse whilst cracking a can judging people who have experimented with rec drugs as they are 'illegal'
Which is only due to the fact that when people get addicted they ruin lives.

I believe the government an nightclubs have bought this whole issue on them selves by pushing up the prices of drinks so much!
A Uni student working part time during the week going out 2-3 nights a week can't afford $150 per night on drinks or $15 for a shot. It's bulls*** so they spend $30 on a pill an that lasts them all night and they drink water in the club.

That's no excuse for the high profile players on massive salaries though!

Agree with a lot of what you said there Sip - this bit though - ""Which is only due to the fact that when people get addicted they ruin lives"" alcohol does this in spades and ruins many more lives and families than rec drugs - but rec drugs do not have the same political voice as the alcohol industry - infact they have no unified voice at all really - I am not saying I condone rec drugs I am just saying the alcohol industry is not that worried that they get made the scapegoat in public debate about people being intoxicated legally or otherwise

Anyway can't wait for the NAB Cup to start so we have something better to discuss

[chook23]

Pies according to the Hun

[matrix]

is every player from both sides tested after a final?

just wondering......

and what of the other even bigger drug story thats apparently out there
big hints on bigfooty in certain threads
Tigers?

i havent heard that one
so if anyone has some decent goss throw about the pm's

[plugger66]

So they took gear in front of you? Now that makes sense with the days of I phones. Im sorry to say I cant beleive anyone would do that.

No plugger they did not take it on front of me. But that does not mean anything!
Have you ever been tired? Yes! So you know what a tired person looks like.
Have you ever seen someone and known they weren't well? Yes!
Have you ever seen someone and known they were drunk? Yes!
Have you ever seen someone and known they were in a bad mood? Yes!
Its not something I'm proud of. But I have tried recreational drugs and am now clean off it.
So yes I know when someone has had some drugs it's clear as day!
Pupils the size of craters, smile from ear to ear, eyes WIDE open. and lovey to everyone. Also drinking water all night!

You don't have to believe me in what I said. And it doesn't bother me.
And sorry to the person who thought I meant 'steroids' by on the gear.
I meant recreational drugs. Which realistically if everyone had rec drugs on a night out. There would be far less stabbings/punch ups in the streets. Cause when you're on rec drugs you realise that none of that bulls*** fighting matters! And you treat everyone in a club with respect and how you would want to be treated. People go out and have alcohol get pissed and start fights. And then sit there on their moral high horse whilst cracking a can judging people who have experimented with rec drugs as they are 'illegal'
Which is only due to the fact that when people get addicted they ruin lives.

I believe the government an nightclubs have bought this whole issue on them selves by pushing up the prices of drinks so much!
A Uni student working part time during the week going out 2-3 nights a week can't afford $150 per night on drinks or $15 for a shot. It's bulls*** so they spend $30 on a pill an that lasts them all night and they drink water in the club.

That's no excuse for the high profile players on massive salaries though!

Sorry when I go out and if I happen to see footballers it is usually in the night spot that is very dark and I dont usually look at their eyes. And i have seen many people on drugs in the last 2 years and that desription doesnt fit how they look. And I am confused. I thought some drugs can cause people to be angry. I take it you have never seen anyone use ice.

[Eastern]

is every player from both sides tested after a final?
just wondering......

Six players from each club chosen at random !!

[CURLY]

Collingwood hey, the AFL franchise. Nothing to see hear now.

[Richter]

No plugger they did not take it on front of me. But that does not mean anything!
Have you ever been tired? Yes! So you know what a tired person looks like.
Have you ever seen someone and known they weren't well? Yes!
Have you ever seen someone and known they were drunk? Yes!
Have you ever seen someone and known they were in a bad mood? Yes!
Its not something I'm proud of. But I have tried recreational drugs and am now clean off it.
So yes I know when someone has had some drugs it's clear as day!
Pupils the size of craters, smile from ear to ear, eyes WIDE open. and lovey to everyone. Also drinking water all night!

You don't have to believe me in what I said. And it doesn't bother me.
And sorry to the person who thought I meant 'steroids' by on the gear.
I meant recreational drugs. Which realistically if everyone had rec drugs on a night out. There would be far less stabbings/punch ups in the streets. Cause when you're on rec drugs you realise that none of that bulls*** fighting matters! And you treat everyone in a club with respect and how you would want to be treated. People go out and have alcohol get pissed and start fights. And then sit there on their moral high horse whilst cracking a can judging people who have experimented with rec drugs as they are 'illegal'
Which is only due to the fact that when people get addicted they ruin lives.

I believe the government an nightclubs have bought this whole issue on them selves by pushing up the prices of drinks so much!
A Uni student working part time during the week going out 2-3 nights a week can't afford $150 per night on drinks or $15 for a shot. It's bulls*** so they spend $30 on a pill an that lasts them all night and they drink water in the club.

That's no excuse for the high profile players on massive salaries though!

Sorry when I go out and if I happen to see footballers it is usually in the night spot that is very dark and I dont usually look at their eyes. And i have seen many people on drugs in the last 2 years and that desription doesnt fit how they look. And I am confused. I thought some drugs can cause people to be angry. I take it you have never seen anyone use ice.

I wonder if you have been seeing different drug use Plugger. Different drugs have different effects.

Drugs like ecstasy (MDMA), amphetamines, cocaine all have the propensity to cause dilated pupils via their effects on serotonin and noradrenaline. Heroin on the other hand causes pin-point pupils.

(From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mydriasis)

Drugs that increase overall serotonin levels in general are capable of causing mydriasis in the same way as the 5-HT2A-mediated psychedelics. This is because serotonin itself is naturally responsible for normal 5-HT2A stimulation. Hence, in sufficient quantities serotonin is mydriatic and can even be mildly psychedelic. Examples of such drugs include MDMA...

The neurotransmitter norepinephrine regulates many physiological processes in the body and brain. One of them is the autonomic constriction and contraction of certain muscles. The psychoactive drug cocaine potently inhibits the normal reuptake of norepinephrine into presynaptic nerve terminals, resulting in an increased level of extracellular norepinephrine. Amphetamines also potently release and prevent the reuptake of norepinephrine. The released norepinephrine then proceeds to bind to adrenergic receptors, and the biological effects of norepinephrine finally occur. When a solution of cocaine is dropped into the eye, this process takes place and the end result is dilation of the pupil. Cocaine itself is not typically used for this task, however. Any potent norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor or release agent should be capable of such an effect.

Opioids such as morphine and heroin do not cause pupil dilation. Instead they cause miosis (pupil contraction).

Ecstasy (MDMA) also causes hyperthermia, which combined with dancing a a club will make a person more thirsty.

Ice is is more 'full on' (in terms of inducing anger and physical outbursts) in its effects than the milder amphetamines, cocaine and ecstasy. It is a drug used more commonly in places like the Western suburbs of Melbourne and Frankston rather than the inner suburbs/city where I would expect most AFL footballers would hang out.

[bigcarl]

Pies according to the Hun

Strip them of 2010 premiership

[CURLY]

Pies according to the Hun

Strip them of 2010 premiership

Basically backs up the rumours that where around at the time. AFL will do nothing probably have a fund raiser on behalf of EDDIE to raise money to help them fight the addiction.

[Middo]

is every player from both sides tested after a final?

just wondering......

and what of the other even bigger drug story thats apparently out there
big hints on bigfooty in certain threads
Tigers?

i havent heard that one
so if anyone has some decent goss throw about the pm's

Any more goss on this one ..? Big footy link ,,,,,?

[plugger66]

Pies according to the Hun

Strip them of 2010 premiership

Basically backs up the rumours that where around at the time. AFL will do nothing probably have a fund raiser on behalf of EDDIE to raise money to help them fight the addiction.

So illicit drug use and performance enhancing are the same? Doesnt back up those rumours even slightly.Do you always over balance with that huge chip on your shoulder.

And yes Richter I know they are different drugs but the other guy was the one generalizing about how you act on drugs. I was pointing out there are other types as well.

[CURLY]

Its like shooting fish in a barrel. Just took a few hours longer than usual.

[SainterK]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/c ... 6563808439

I don't buy Ed's feigned anger to be honest, this is playing out as planned IMO.

The timing of this drugs summit, called by the Pies.

Still reckon they've got wind of a massive spike in positive tests....

[saintbrat]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/c ... 6563808439

I don't buy Ed's feigned anger to be honest, this is playing out as planned IMO.

The timing of this drugs summit, called by the Pies.

Still reckon they've got wind of a massive spike in positive tests....

Schulz from Hogan's Heroes favourite Line- " I know Nuthink!!!'

me thinks he doth protest when it suits...
something eddie DOESN'T Know ......

if it wasn't his team would he be on the front foot during his radio program chasing the story?

[plugger66]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/c ... 6563808439

I don't buy Ed's feigned anger to be honest, this is playing out as planned IMO.

The timing of this drugs summit, called by the Pies.

Still reckon they've got wind of a massive spike in positive tests....

Schulz from Hogan's Heroes favourite Line- " I know Nuthink!!!'

me thinks he doth protest when it suits...
something eddie DOESN'T Know ......

if it wasn't his team would he be on the front foot during his radio program chasing the story?

Yes and whats your point?

[ozrulestrace]

The one thing that struck me about this story which Channel 10 described as at least 4 players, is there not a wiff of collusion between these players and should be viewed as a blatant attempt to cheat the system?

I have visions of the doctor walking into the waiting room and expecting one patient and seeing four patients all seeking penance and taking advantage of the giant loophole set up by the AFL and exploited by many players.

[Eastern]

I'd be VERY SUPRISED if it was just Collingwood and it is ONLY 4 players !!