Kosi The Enigma

[st.byron]

kozi bashing on here is exceeded only by Riewoldt idolatry!

It balances out those wearing Kosi coloured glasses who still insist, "just you watch, Kosi's gunna......." " he creates a contest......"

[st.byron]

we've more than got our value out of him as a number 2 pick and certainly he has been a hany player over the years.

Disagree. Disappointing return for a number two pick with the potential he had. Was good in 2009. Played the occasional good game otherwise. Heaps of games where he just totally went missing or did one or two things that were enough to feed the 'Kosi's gunna.........' crew.

[Sainternist]

Kosi will struggle to have an impact at Sandy next year and he will not playing at TBB Oval.
Expect him to call it quits early in the season.

Would love him to prove us wrong, but this seems like a very strong possibility.

[Bernard Shakey]

Kosi will struggle to have an impact at Sandy next year and he will not playing at TBB Oval.
Expect him to call it quits early in the season.

You say a lot of stuff...

Nowhere near as much as you.

[Bernard Shakey]

I think ppl are generally quite harsh on kosi

whilst not a superstar by any means, he plays the hardest postion on the ground and does play some pretty good games.

we've more than got our value out of him as a number 2 pick and certainly he has been a hany player over the years.

the problem is he's now at a stage where the gap between his best and worst is far too big and that we're seeing less of his best.

having him on the list as a depth player for a handful of games next year is a good idea. IMO he should have rested more this season and we should have played Wilkes more. Either way he should be transitioning out

What position exactly does he play?

Personally I think Wilkes is a clone of Kosi and not much chop.

[SainterK]

Kosi will struggle to have an impact at Sandy next year and he will not playing at TBB Oval.
Expect him to call it quits early in the season.

You say a lot of stuff...

Nowhere near as much as you.

[gringo]

I still think the body let him down. Not every player gets to play their best. I'm proud to have had the big fella in our colours and has had some brilliant games. If he doesn't play many games we are in a very good place.

[saintspremiers]

I think ppl are generally quite harsh on kosi

whilst not a superstar by any means, he plays the hardest postion on the ground and does play some pretty good games.

we've more than got our value out of him as a number 2 pick and certainly he has been a hany player over the years.

the problem is he's now at a stage where the gap between his best and worst is far too big and that we're seeing less of his best.

having him on the list as a depth player for a handful of games next year is a good idea. IMO he should have rested more this season and we should have played Wilkes more. Either way he should be transitioning out

What position exactly does he play?

Personally I think Wilkes is a clone of Kosi and not much chop.

Wilkes is very handy against crap opposition. Kosi rarely is against anyone.

[st_Trav_ofWA]

the way i look at things is this ..
from that number two pick in the 2000 draft we got a player who so far has got 195 game 243 goals - has played in 4 prelim finals winning 2 of them to play in 3 grandfinals and has amassed 33 brownlow votes

to put that into perspective :
1998 number 2 (Justin Longmuir) -139 games - 166 goals - 1 prelim - 0 g/f's - 15 brownlow votes
1999 number 2 (Paul Hasleby) - 208 games - 131 goals - 0 prelims - 0 g/f's - 67 brownlow votes
2001 number 2 (Luke Ball) - 193 games - 83 goals - 5 Prelims - 3 g/f's - 36 brownlow votes
2002 number 2 (Daniel Wells) - 190 games - 116 goals - 1 prelim - 0 g/f - 48 brownlow votes
2003 number 2 (Andrew Walker) - 142 games - 109 goals- 0 prelims - 0 g/f's - 12 brownlow votes
2004 number 2 (Jarryd Roughead) - 159 games - 294 goals - 2 prelims- 2 g/f's - 17 brownlow votes

statistically Kosi has been around the mark with his peers of number 2 picks so in all honesty i dont look at it as a wasted skills more i see it as he has given his all for this club and has done a pretty damn fine job considering the hurdles he has faced ... when he does decide to hang up the boots i for one will be congratulating him on his career not lamenting it

[plugger66]

the way i look at things is this ..
from that number two pick in the 2000 draft we got a player who so far has got 195 game 243 goals - has played in 4 prelim finals winning 2 of them to play in 3 grandfinals and has amassed 33 brownlow votes

to put that into perspective :
1998 number 2 (Justin Longmuir) -139 games - 166 goals - 1 prelim - 0 g/f's - 15 brownlow votes
1999 number 2 (Paul Hasleby) - 208 games - 131 goals - 0 prelims - 0 g/f's - 67 brownlow votes
2001 number 2 (Luke Ball) - 193 games - 83 goals - 5 Prelims - 3 g/f's - 36 brownlow votes
2002 number 2 (Daniel Wells) - 190 games - 116 goals - 1 prelim - 0 g/f - 48 brownlow votes
2003 number 2 (Andrew Walker) - 142 games - 109 goals- 0 prelims - 0 g/f's - 12 brownlow votes
2004 number 2 (Jarryd Roughead) - 159 games - 294 goals - 2 prelims- 2 g/f's - 17 brownlow votes

statistically Kosi has been around the mark with his peers of number 2 picks so in all honesty i dont look at it as a wasted skills more i see it as he has given his all for this club and has done a pretty damn fine job considering the hurdles he has faced ... when he does decide to hang up the boots i for one will be congratulating him on his career not lamenting it

I dont think it matters how he compares to other years number 2 picks. It is how he compares to players in his draft in the top 10 and only Didak could be classed above him. He is clearly the third best player taken in the top 10 that year. And those who say Thompson and Kerr are better well that is obvious but my guess is they werent on anyones list to go top 5 that year or probably even top 10. Kosi was a very good pick that year but his days are just about over if not completely done.

[Sobraz]

the way i look at things is this ..
from that number two pick in the 2000 draft we got a player who so far has got 195 game 243 goals - has played in 4 prelim finals winning 2 of them to play in 3 grandfinals and has amassed 33 brownlow votes

to put that into perspective :
1998 number 2 (Justin Longmuir) -139 games - 166 goals - 1 prelim - 0 g/f's - 15 brownlow votes
1999 number 2 (Paul Hasleby) - 208 games - 131 goals - 0 prelims - 0 g/f's - 67 brownlow votes
2001 number 2 (Luke Ball) - 193 games - 83 goals - 5 Prelims - 3 g/f's - 36 brownlow votes
2002 number 2 (Daniel Wells) - 190 games - 116 goals - 1 prelim - 0 g/f - 48 brownlow votes
2003 number 2 (Andrew Walker) - 142 games - 109 goals- 0 prelims - 0 g/f's - 12 brownlow votes
2004 number 2 (Jarryd Roughead) - 159 games - 294 goals - 2 prelims- 2 g/f's - 17 brownlow votes

statistically Kosi has been around the mark with his peers of number 2 picks so in all honesty i dont look at it as a wasted skills more i see it as he has given his all for this club and has done a pretty damn fine job considering the hurdles he has faced ... when he does decide to hang up the boots i for one will be congratulating him on his career not lamenting it

I dont think it matters how he compares to other years number 2 picks. It is how he compares to players in his draft in the top 10 and only Didak could be classed above him. He is clearly the third best player taken in the top 10 that year. And those who say Thompson and Kerr are better well that is obvious but my guess is they werent on anyones list to go top 5 that year or probably even top 10. Kosi was a very good pick that year but his days are just about over if not completely done.

2 terrific posts.

[bobmurray]

Kosi is the best AFL footy player to emerge from Brocklesby...

[Bernard Shakey]

the way i look at things is this ..
from that number two pick in the 2000 draft we got a player who so far has got 195 game 243 goals - has played in 4 prelim finals winning 2 of them to play in 3 grandfinals and has amassed 33 brownlow votes

to put that into perspective :
1998 number 2 (Justin Longmuir) -139 games - 166 goals - 1 prelim - 0 g/f's - 15 brownlow votes
1999 number 2 (Paul Hasleby) - 208 games - 131 goals - 0 prelims - 0 g/f's - 67 brownlow votes
2001 number 2 (Luke Ball) - 193 games - 83 goals - 5 Prelims - 3 g/f's - 36 brownlow votes
2002 number 2 (Daniel Wells) - 190 games - 116 goals - 1 prelim - 0 g/f - 48 brownlow votes
2003 number 2 (Andrew Walker) - 142 games - 109 goals- 0 prelims - 0 g/f's - 12 brownlow votes
2004 number 2 (Jarryd Roughead) - 159 games - 294 goals - 2 prelims- 2 g/f's - 17 brownlow votes

statistically Kosi has been around the mark with his peers of number 2 picks so in all honesty i dont look at it as a wasted skills more i see it as he has given his all for this club and has done a pretty damn fine job considering the hurdles he has faced ... when he does decide to hang up the boots i for one will be congratulating him on his career not lamenting it

He got 12 of those Brownlow votes in 4 games about ten years ago. You can make stats stats say whatever you want them to,but in the end they don't say much at all.
Are you trying to say Kosi is as good a player, or thereabouts, as Roughead? Are you having a lend? Are you?

[bigcarl]

Kosi's best value now is probably as a kick-behind-the-play follower/second ruck where he can take those pack marks and distribute it downfield. He's still a good kick. However McEvoy is ahead of him and Stanley and Hickey will also be pressing for spots.

I think his time as a key forward is up. Wilkes was already judged ahead of him towards the end of last season and now he has competition from Lee as well.

[borderbarry]

When Kosi got those 11 votes in 4 consequetive games, was,nt he acting Captain and playing in a ruck/ ruck rover role?

[borderbarry]

Take the Captaincy off Roo and give it to Kosi.

[Dave McNamara]

I hope that he can get those extra five games next year.

Why? Coz I just love the romance of that sort of thing.

[SaintPav]

I hope that he can get those extra five games next year.

Why? Coz I just love the romance of that sort of thing.

and because you are a nice guy unlike all the other deadbeat Kosi bashers on this site.

[st.byron]

I hope that he can get those extra five games next year.

Why? Coz I just love the romance of that sort of thing.

and because you are a nice guy unlike all the other deadbeat Kosi bashers on this site.

Oh ok. Let's not call a spade a spade.

[St Ick]

So is it official then? Kosi is our new #1 whipping boy? I seemed to miss the memo....

Ever since Gia nearly killed him he wasn't the same. But he has been far from the worst player in the 22 on many occasions. His body has let him down, didn't he grow a heap just after he was recruited? Either way, I think you will find he has only had a couple of full preseasons since he got to us, which would effect his consistency throughout seasons.

I have never understood why he is bagged so regularly, if he was pick 100 we would be saying he has had a decent serviceable career and made the most of his bad luck.

He is a top bloke evidenced by his attitude at training with his mentoring of younger players and his interaction with supporters. Why do we constantly turn on our own its depressing...

[Ralphy]

been our unofficial whipping boy for years, Could have been anything but has failed to be anything.

[stinger]

kozi bashing on here is exceeded only by Riewoldt idolatry!

+1

[magnifisaint]

I hope he gets to his 200th. He deserves it.

[Sainternist]

I hope he gets to his 200th. He deserves it.

It didn't occur to me that he has played fewer than 200 games. 195 to be exact.

[SaintPav]

I hope that he can get those extra five games next year.

Why? Coz I just love the romance of that sort of thing.

and because you are a nice guy unlike all the other deadbeat Kosi bashers on this site.

Oh ok. Let's not call a spade a spade.

and lets not state the bleeding obvious.

Don't worry, 2012 will probably be his last. No one is saying that he has been great but some are just looking on the positive side of things and bringing some balance into it; that's all.

To say that he hasn't lived up to his potential or expectations is non nonsensical because they are supporters expectations and not his or the clubs.