Milne and OBrien investigation

[satchmo]

why did Harry want mediation? Was he offended?

Dealing with galballys. More about perceptions than facts. If what CURLY says is true, then Milne has had some very good advice.

[saintbrat]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley said O'Brien wasn't affected by the remark by Milne.

"Harry straight after the game wanted nothing to do with it (making any complaint)," Buckley told radio station 3AW on Thursday night.

"He wasn't offended. He wasn't affected by it.

"Our understanding is it's not vilification unless the person receiving the comments is concerned by it.

"I think we're all concerned by the slur itself and the fact it gets out in the open forum because people are going to be offended when a comment like that gets out in the open forum.

"But for Harry's part it didn't affect him on the night."

[The Fireman]

this world as I know it is becoming a basket case before my very eyes, I'm glad I have lived in a time of some sanity.
I am to retire soon and more than willing to jump ship and leave this crap to the remaining poor buggers. Out of the bigsmoke and off to a certain amount of seclusion.
What a load of absolute S H I T !

[bigcarl]

So Harry O is gay, not that there's anything wrong with that. He might as well come out now.

[saintbrat]

Take this as gospel as its straight from the horses mouth. Milne was asked to go to mediation with Harry O. Milne was more than happy to do so. Milne was told he was not allowed to release to the public what he called Harry O which was HOMO. Milne refused and said that if he didnt he would be labelled a racist if the media and public werent to know the truth. Collingwood came back and said it must be kept in house and would Milne reconsider his stance. Again Milne said he wouldnt as he wasnt prepared to take the added heat that would generate. Collingwood then withdrew the complaint.

so the ump took it further? or

afl took it further?

hence the investigation?

Collingwood took at further but demanded Milne play to there rules and not release what he called Harry. Milne refused twice and mediation didnt take place. Collingwood withdrew there complaint.

Someone with a Bigfooty account please post the truth.

was any part of it that harry may also have to admit to what he may have said to Milney?

[gringo]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley said O'Brien wasn't affected by the remark by Milne.

"Harry straight after the game wanted nothing to do with it (making any complaint)," Buckley told radio station 3AW on Thursday night.

"He wasn't offended. He wasn't affected by it.

"Our understanding is it's not vilification unless the person receiving the comments is concerned by it.

"I think we're all concerned by the slur itself and the fact it gets out in the open forum because people are going to be offended when a comment like that gets out in the open forum.

"But for Harry's part it didn't affect him on the night."

"........but we (Collingwood FC) needed something to distract the public from our player turning up to training under the influence of unknown substances and we hate Milne so we chucked it out there."

[CURLY]

Collingwood took at further but demanded Milne play to there rules and not release what he called Harry. Milne refused twice and mediation didnt take place. Collingwood withdrew there complaint.

Someone with a Bigfooty account please post the truth.[/quote]

was any part of it that harry may also have to admit to what he may have said to Milney?[/quote]


That wasnt mentioned. Milney was just determined that he wasnt going to take the heat and extra scrutiny a racist remark would incure. Collingwood didnt want the public to know Milne called Harry a HOMO.

[Munga]

So he called him a homo??

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[gringo]

this world as I know it is becoming a basket case before my very eyes, I'm glad I have lived in a time of some sanity.
I am to retire soon and more than willing to jump ship and leave this crap to the remaining poor buggers. Out of the bigsmoke and off to a certain amount of seclusion.
What a load of absolute S H I T !

As a person who is s*** I take great offence at those words and that appalling reference to homosexuals "buggers" has upset my myriad men who like men friends. Referring to our grand city as smokey when we have done so much to ban cigarettes is demeaning to the thousands who have fought for the rights of non smokers.

Jumping ship has hurt the feelings of the suicidal and has made several more likely now end it. Further more my good man the term basket case is a hideous old fashioned term designed to make out those that are mentally ill are less valued members of our super cohesive society. For shame.

Bragging about your eye sight may hurt a few of the visually impaired reading this also so quit your bragging.

[The Fireman]

Gringo...you feel my pain.


PS I have spent a big part of my life attempting to make the city a little less smokey

[Dr Spaceman]

this world as I know it is becoming a basket case before my very eyes, I'm glad I have lived in a time of some sanity.
I am to retire soon and more than willing to jump ship and leave this crap to the remaining poor buggers. Out of the bigsmoke and off to a certain amount of seclusion.
What a load of absolute S H I T !

As a person who is s*** I take great offence at those words and that appalling reference to homosexuals "buggers" has upset my myriad men who like men friends. Referring to our grand city as smokey when we have done so much to ban cigarettes is demeaning to the thousands who have fought for the rights of non smokers.

Jumping ship has hurt the feelings of the suicidal and has made several more likely now end it. Further more my good man the term basket case is a hideous old fashioned term designed to make out those that are mentally ill are less valued members of our super cohesive society. For shame.

Bragging about your eye sight may hurt a few of the visually impaired reading this also so quit your bragging.

We have officially gone mad when there is a push to have pedophiles referred to as "minor-attracted people"

[Saintersss]

No point fighting it. St Kilda has learnt from the Kim Duthie episode it is just best to accept and deal with it as quick as possible so that the media move on, rather than denying and fighting it and having it drag on for weeks.

[Dr Spaceman]

No point fighting it. St Kilda has learnt from the Kim Duthie episode it is just best to accept and deal with it as quick as possible so that the media move on, rather than denying and fighting it and having it drag on for weeks.

Yep, as I said previously

As harmless as it probably was, and as unfazed as O'Brien seems to be, a St Kilda attack on the AFL would simply be portrayed by the media as "Saints fight for the right to use homophobic taunts".

No matter how untrue that is, it would nonetheless be a public relations disaster in these times of struggling sponsorship and membership.

It grates but we just have to suck it up. We have no other choice  

[Richter]

I suppose I should hardly be surprised, but I for one am disappointed in Milney. You don't have to be gay to be offended by homophobic insults, just as you don't have to be black to be offended by racist ones. No, I don't like that he has to put up with the abuse he receives but neither does that give him carte blanche to say whatever he likes either.

[villasaint]

I would have preferred for him to just keep his mouth shut last weekend. His ill discipline cost us 2 50m penalties. I'm more concerned how they affected us on the day than what happens to him now.

[The Fireman]

I would have preferred for him to just keep his mouth shut last weekend. His ill discipline cost us 2 50m penalties. I'm more concerned how they affected us on the day than what happens to him now.

his ill discipline??? 2 way street buddy and thats what makes this thing a massive charade, who knows what OBrien said???who cares right? but no...Milney holds the can..he cops it..not only from the frigging media and lame brain oppo supporters but even from his own supporters.... Good on Milne for sticking up for himself and for the detractors of this this little chap....up yours.

[amusingname]

Someone with a Bigfooty account please post the truth.

There's a contradiction in terms!

[villasaint]

So giving away two 50s is not ill discipline. If he kept his mouth shut when it didn't go his way then he wouldn't have been fined or given away the 50,s. I luv Miley and his yap is great but you have to learn when to watch ur p's and q's.

[matrix]

"........but we (Collingwood FC) needed something to distract the public from our player turning up to training under the influence of unknown substances and we hate Milne so we chucked it out there."

[Austinnn]

Take this as gospel as its straight from the horses mouth. Milne was asked to go to mediation with Harry O. Milne was more than happy to do so. Milne was told he was not allowed to release to the public what he called Harry O which was HOMO. Milne refused and said that if he didnt he would be labelled a racist if the media and public werent to know the truth. Collingwood came back and said it must be kept in house and would Milne reconsider his stance. Again Milne said he wouldnt as he wasnt prepared to take the added heat that would generate. Collingwood then withdrew the complaint.

so the ump took it further? or

afl took it further?

hence the investigation?

Collingwood took at further but demanded Milne play to there rules and not release what he called Harry. Milne refused twice and mediation didnt take place. Collingwood withdrew there complaint.

Someone with a Bigfooty account please post the truth.

This is a bloody sham, we are being done up here again by the pies, and I would love our club to take it all the way to try and redress the balance, and stop the demonisation of Stephen Milne.

I'd like to add that unlike most posters here, I have no problem at all with Harry O'Brien as a person, which isn't to say that I think he's fantastic or should be knighted, but I don't have a problem with him. I think it's great to see someone using their status as a footballer to do more than get free drinks or loose women. Don't even have a problem with the Obama idea, he's a forward thinking national sports personality, he's got just as much right to want to meet Obama as the next bloke, he lives in a bubble which tells him that Sports people are national heroes and can do things that we the public can't, that's his only fault. The amount of vitrol on here reserved for a player, simply because he is a bit self-righteous and trying to make the world a better place, is embarrassing and says far more about posters' insecurities and inadequacies than it does about Harry O'Brien.

All the people trying to claim that "F***in' Homo" isn't a bad insult by looking at the word rather than its meaning are patheticly naive:

* It doesn't matter who is or isn't gay here. Milne, O'Brien and Margetts could all be gay and it wouldn't change the fact that this word is an offensive insult.
* It's not such a bad word, but neither is 'black' or 'holy' or 'mum' or 'petrol' - it's the context that is the problem. If he'd said it in a pub there would be no big issue, but he said it on TV in front of loads of spectators. Just as urinating is not a huge problem when its behind a car tyre at midnight, but definitely not OK on TV in front of a huge crowd.
* Yes, the world has changed/gone mad/whatever. People said exactly the same thing hundreds of years ago when society let women vote, or when they stopped slavery. Its called progression. And they reacted the same way to what I just said as you probably just have. Hopefully your kids will be a bit more with it. Yes, it comes close to an Orwellian scenario, but I think that society is trying to redress the crimes of the past a bit and I think eventually we'll find a balance. Please be patient.

That said, Harry O'Brien is a Pies player and if he isn't going to come clean on exactly what was said by both parties now that Milne's been done over again, then he is just as bad as their fat-headed president and a hypocrite. (I still won't hate him by the way, but it will be disappointing)

We all hear the abuse that Milney cops and he just gets on with it, the Pies won't be happy until Milney retires in shame.

Want a ridiculous conspiracy theory? I saw that Dane Swan and Andrew Lovett were hanging out at some birthday party on the weekend, and it made me wonder if the Collingwood Football Club is out to get us because they are getting us back for sacking that player. Yeah, bit of a long shot.

Why does Collingwood hate us so much, why don't they leave us alone? Are they so scared of us? They already stole one of our better players, and their last match, why can't they just try and beat us normally without resorting to dirty tricks? Why do the Herald Sun hate us so much, What did we do to them? They must know that we'll never go away.

In the English Premier League, the fans of Liverpool FC refuse to buy a leading newspaper because of the lies that were told about their part in the Hillsborough disaster in 1989. 23 years ago, the sales of that newspaper in that region are still very low. I think it's time that we as Saints supporters told the Herald Sun that we've had enough of their vilification by doing the same. The Age are no angels either, but there's a clear difference. As far as I'm concerned any Saints fan who reads the Herald Sun articles, in their paper or on their website, is contributing to our demise.

[Con Gorozidis]

Surely he is smart enough to come up with something better than that.

smart enough? milney? not sure that's something he's ever been accused of.

I heard some pretty dumb people be very good sledgers. Milney has had years of practice. I thought he may have learnt some good lines. He should come here occasionly. There are some good and some very bad ones on here.

sledging isnt that easy. you really only have a few categories:

1. ur not a good player
2. ur not a good bloke
3. ur not good looking
4. the old sexually chestnut
5. some other physical attribute that is unusual

maybe the saints should hire stev waugh as a sledging consultant. it seems he did a great job with the aussie swim team - only it seems he sledged them and caused mental disintegration rather than on the opposition. slight oversight from tugga.

[Cairnsman]

Can anyone confirm whether or not Harry is gay?

I can't but I shaged a bloke once who can.

[stevie]

My wife's brother is gay and I've met a few of his gay friends.

A few years, I was talking to this guy who followed the footy. This was during the Ben Cousins stuff and all the gay guys loved him!
Anyway, this guy got a text from his gay mate in Melbourne. He looked at his phone and started laughing. The text said, 'guess who I slept with last night - KOUTA'!

I thought that was hilarious! Also, they all said that the swimmer Thorpe was gay but they werent sure why he hadn't come out

[The Fireman]

Was Malthouse fined for calling Milne "a rapist"?

[bergholt]

Was Malthouse fined for calling Milne "a rapist"?

was that discriminatory against rapists?