8 - ZIP

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At quarter time the free kick count was 7 to 3 in Collingwood's favour.

At 3/4 quarter time that differential had maintained at 17 to 13, and the free kick count across the second and third quarters was generally reflective of a tightly fought contest.

The final free kick count via the AFL Website was 25 free kicks to Collingwood and 13 to St Kilda.

So, in the last quarter the free kick count was 8 - ZIP to Collingwood.

In a quarter which was fiercely contested by both sides.

Now, the impact of those free kicks on the final result, including similar instances of St Kilda players being infringed but no free kicks forthcoming, was most obvious.

When you put the "chopping" of the arms of the Collingwood player of non-Australian heritage alongside 2 occasions when Koschitzke had arms chopped, and one arm dragged down by his (multiple) opponent, when you look at the Collingwood ruckman putting his shoulder squarely into Mc Evoy's back to move Mc Evoy under the contest and mark and when you look at the blocking of Koschitzke from a 2 on 1 marking contest where the blocking payer did not even deem to raise his arms in token effort but merely blocked some 20 metres off the incoming ball you have to start asking questions.

Simply, despite the protestations of the AFL, the game is corrupt from the head down.

And when a CEO starts protesting that there is no corruption that introduces its own questions - always has and always will.

The reason for this situation is the perceived importance of attendances at Collingwood's games, the need to have Collingwood successful to maintain those attendances and wider interest including thru the media and the resultant faunicating of the AFL and the media to Collingwood in search of that audience - that audience being the uneducated, anti-social slags of society such as you witness when you go to a Collingwood game.

The unfortunate fact is that the simplistic and unitelligable noise they make (like a pregnant cow in a difficult birth) multiplied by their number influences umpiring decisions, umpiring decisions already under pressure because of Head Office dictum in regards the absolute requirement to have a successful Collingwood to mitigate against the woeful financial positions in evidence across much of the rest of the competition, the funding of the ill-concieved expansion programme aligned to the AFL's absolute reliance on media contracts for revenue - and bonuses to the CEO, who no doubt lives the life style and has very high levels of personal debt to accomodate the trappings of this life style.

They all go hand in hand.

Hence the very, very favourable draw Collingwood receive year on year - which is also designed to entrench their "success" and feed the AFL coffers.

It is time for change.

Would we expect to see Collingwood playing 6 or more interstate games, including in succesive weeks and with a bye meaning they do not appear in a Victorian based game for a month - and having a succession of 6 day breaks next season, or in any other season on a rotation basis?

The answer to that question is symtomatic of the corruption at AFL headquarters - because AFL headquarters will tell you Collingwood is "too important to the competition" (read revenue) to be handed a draw commensurate with the draw other clubs are punished with year on year with no respite.

[SaintPav]

Great post. Most of it is true.

[White Winmar]

The problem is that the AFL is no longer run as a sport, but as entertainment and therefore profit seems to be the main motivator. What you have outlined about the draw, TTT , confirms the desire to maximize attendance, TV ratings and revenue. This is not surprising when the performance of the senior executives of the organisation are measured against these criteria. This is why the draw will never be "fair". It's not in their interests to make it so. Makes you wonder what the future of the "non-favored" clubs is. I suppose the competition will end up like the EPL. A few powerful clubs will contend every year, while the rest make up the numbers and help fulfill TV commitments. So I suppose, TTT, it is a corrupted system and one that will never be fair, no matter how often AD and AA tell us that it is equitable.

[silversurfer]

At quarter time the free kick count was 7 to 3 in Collingwood's favour.

At 3/4 quarter time that differential had maintained at 17 to 13, and the free kick count across the second and third quarters was generally reflective of a tightly fought contest.

The final free kick count via the AFL Website was 25 free kicks to Collingwood and 13 to St Kilda.

So, in the last quarter the free kick count was 8 - ZIP to Collingwood.

In a quarter which was fiercely contested by both sides.

Now, the impact of those free kicks on the final result, including similar instances of St Kilda players being infringed but no free kicks forthcoming, was most obvious.

When you put the "chopping" of the arms of the Collingwood player of non-Australian heritage alongside 2 occasions when Koschitzke had arms chopped, and one arm dragged down by his (multiple) opponent, when you look at the Collingwood ruckman putting his shoulder squarely into Mc Evoy's back to move Mc Evoy under the contest and mark and when you look at the blocking of Koschitzke from a 2 on 1 marking contest where the blocking payer did not even deem to raise his arms in token effort but merely blocked some 20 metres off the incoming ball you have to start asking questions.

Simply, despite the protestations of the AFL, the game is corrupt from the head down.

And when a CEO starts protesting that there is no corruption that introduces its own questions - always has and always will.

The reason for this situation is the perceived importance of attendances at Collingwood's games, the need to have Collingwood successful to maintain those attendances and wider interest including thru the media and the resultant faunicating of the AFL and the media to Collingwood in search of that audience - that audience being the uneducated, anti-social slags of society such as you witness when you go to a Collingwood game.

The unfortunate fact is that the simplistic and unitelligable noise they make (like a pregnant cow in a difficult birth) multiplied by their number influences umpiring decisions, umpiring decisions already under pressure because of Head Office dictum in regards the absolute requirement to have a successful Collingwood to mitigate against the woeful financial positions in evidence across much of the rest of the competition, the funding of the ill-concieved expansion programme aligned to the AFL's absolute reliance on media contracts for revenue - and bonuses to the CEO, who no doubt lives the life style and has very high levels of personal debt to accomodate the trappings of this life style.

They all go hand in hand.

Hence the very, very favourable draw Collingwood receive year on year - which is also designed to entrench their "success" and feed the AFL coffers.

It is time for change.

Would we expect to see Collingwood playing 6 or more interstate games, including in succesive weeks and with a bye meaning they do not appear in a Victorian based game for a month - and having a succession of 6 day breaks next season, or in any other season on a rotation basis?

The answer to that question is symtomatic of the corruption at AFL headquarters - because AFL headquarters will tell you Collingwood is "too important to the competition" (read revenue) to be handed a draw commensurate with the draw other clubs are punished with year on year with no respite.

Amen to that brother, truer words have not been spoken. Watch the last quarter of the Sydney game and you'll see similarities in the umpiring. It's putting me off having to watch the saints play with one hand tied behind their backs.

PS: you wouldn't be Grant Thomas by any chance

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Then we have the draft, which is supposed to make things "fair" because it favours in varying degrees the sides finishing at the bottom of the premiership table regardless and, at the whim of the AFL, any new sides coming into the competition.

Plus we have the "equalisation fund", which the likes of Collingwood have so trenchently opposed and railed against over 30 years of my knowledge.

McAllister offered Payze $100,000- to vote against the "Equalisation Fund" and to secure Collingwood their "fair" share given Collingwood presented themselves as the the major contributor to revenue.

Payze told McAllister where to go!

Maguire still rails against the "Equalisation Fund" today as he seeks to have the capacity to have a personal coach for every player on their list.

[bigcarl]

The problem is that the AFL is no longer run as a sport, but as entertainment and therefore profit seems to be the main motivator. What you have outlined about the draw, TTT , confirms the desire to maximize attendance, TV ratings and revenue. This is not surprising when the performance of the senior executives of the organisation are measured against these criteria. This is why the draw will never be "fair". It's not in their interests to make it so. Makes you wonder what the future of the "non-favored" clubs is. I suppose the competition will end up like the EPL. A few powerful clubs will contend every year, while the rest make up the numbers and help fulfill TV commitments. So I suppose, TTT, it is a corrupted system and one that will never be fair, no matter how often AD and AA tell us that it is equitable.

Yes, hits the nail on the head.

[tweedaletomanning]

At quarter time the free kick count was 7 to 3 in Collingwood's favour.

At 3/4 quarter time that differential had maintained at 17 to 13, and the free kick count across the second and third quarters was generally reflective of a tightly fought contest.

The final free kick count via the AFL Website was 25 free kicks to Collingwood and 13 to St Kilda.

So, in the last quarter the free kick count was 8 - ZIP to Collingwood.

In a quarter which was fiercely contested by both sides.

Now, the impact of those free kicks on the final result, including similar instances of St Kilda players being infringed but no free kicks forthcoming, was most obvious.

When you put the "chopping" of the arms of the Collingwood player of non-Australian heritage alongside 2 occasions when Koschitzke had arms chopped, and one arm dragged down by his (multiple) opponent, when you look at the Collingwood ruckman putting his shoulder squarely into Mc Evoy's back to move Mc Evoy under the contest and mark and when you look at the blocking of Koschitzke from a 2 on 1 marking contest where the blocking payer did not even deem to raise his arms in token effort but merely blocked some 20 metres off the incoming ball you have to start asking questions.

Simply, despite the protestations of the AFL, the game is corrupt from the head down.

And when a CEO starts protesting that there is no corruption that introduces its own questions - always has and always will.

The reason for this situation is the perceived importance of attendances at Collingwood's games, the need to have Collingwood successful to maintain those attendances and wider interest including thru the media and the resultant faunicating of the AFL and the media to Collingwood in search of that audience - that audience being the uneducated, anti-social slags of society such as you witness when you go to a Collingwood game.

The unfortunate fact is that the simplistic and unitelligable noise they make (like a pregnant cow in a difficult birth) multiplied by their number influences umpiring decisions, umpiring decisions already under pressure because of Head Office dictum in regards the absolute requirement to have a successful Collingwood to mitigate against the woeful financial positions in evidence across much of the rest of the competition, the funding of the ill-concieved expansion programme aligned to the AFL's absolute reliance on media contracts for revenue - and bonuses to the CEO, who no doubt lives the life style and has very high levels of personal debt to accomodate the trappings of this life style.

They all go hand in hand.

Hence the very, very favourable draw Collingwood receive year on year - which is also designed to entrench their "success" and feed the AFL coffers.

It is time for change.

Would we expect to see Collingwood playing 6 or more interstate games, including in succesive weeks and with a bye meaning they do not appear in a Victorian based game for a month - and having a succession of 6 day breaks next season, or in any other season on a rotation basis?

The answer to that question is symtomatic of the corruption at AFL headquarters - because AFL headquarters will tell you Collingwood is "too important to the competition" (read revenue) to be handed a draw commensurate with the draw other clubs are punished with year on year with no respite.

Very good points, but you forgot to mention that they also are NOT restricted by any salary cap as they manage to keep ALL their stars SOMEHOW.

Ant they are also not bound by the draft tampering rules either, as they can bring in any player from any club, without any interference, and still offer them top dollar , without having to trade or give up anything at all.

The AFL is very much heading down the road of Wrestling, all entertainment but no sport at all.

[plugger66]

At quarter time the free kick count was 7 to 3 in Collingwood's favour.

At 3/4 quarter time that differential had maintained at 17 to 13, and the free kick count across the second and third quarters was generally reflective of a tightly fought contest.

The final free kick count via the AFL Website was 25 free kicks to Collingwood and 13 to St Kilda.

So, in the last quarter the free kick count was 8 - ZIP to Collingwood.

In a quarter which was fiercely contested by both sides.

Now, the impact of those free kicks on the final result, including similar instances of St Kilda players being infringed but no free kicks forthcoming, was most obvious.

When you put the "chopping" of the arms of the Collingwood player of non-Australian heritage alongside 2 occasions when Koschitzke had arms chopped, and one arm dragged down by his (multiple) opponent, when you look at the Collingwood ruckman putting his shoulder squarely into Mc Evoy's back to move Mc Evoy under the contest and mark and when you look at the blocking of Koschitzke from a 2 on 1 marking contest where the blocking payer did not even deem to raise his arms in token effort but merely blocked some 20 metres off the incoming ball you have to start asking questions.

Simply, despite the protestations of the AFL, the game is corrupt from the head down.

And when a CEO starts protesting that there is no corruption that introduces its own questions - always has and always will.

The reason for this situation is the perceived importance of attendances at Collingwood's games, the need to have Collingwood successful to maintain those attendances and wider interest including thru the media and the resultant faunicating of the AFL and the media to Collingwood in search of that audience - that audience being the uneducated, anti-social slags of society such as you witness when you go to a Collingwood game.

The unfortunate fact is that the simplistic and unitelligable noise they make (like a pregnant cow in a difficult birth) multiplied by their number influences umpiring decisions, umpiring decisions already under pressure because of Head Office dictum in regards the absolute requirement to have a successful Collingwood to mitigate against the woeful financial positions in evidence across much of the rest of the competition, the funding of the ill-concieved expansion programme aligned to the AFL's absolute reliance on media contracts for revenue - and bonuses to the CEO, who no doubt lives the life style and has very high levels of personal debt to accomodate the trappings of this life style.

They all go hand in hand.

Hence the very, very favourable draw Collingwood receive year on year - which is also designed to entrench their "success" and feed the AFL coffers.

It is time for change.

Would we expect to see Collingwood playing 6 or more interstate games, including in succesive weeks and with a bye meaning they do not appear in a Victorian based game for a month - and having a succession of 6 day breaks next season, or in any other season on a rotation basis?

The answer to that question is symtomatic of the corruption at AFL headquarters - because AFL headquarters will tell you Collingwood is "too important to the competition" (read revenue) to be handed a draw commensurate with the draw other clubs are punished with year on year with no respite.

Very good points, but you forgot to mention that they also are NOT restricted by any salary cap as they manage to keep ALL their stars SOMEHOW.

Ant they are also not bound by the draft tampering rules either, as they can bring in any player from any club, without any interference, and still offer them top dollar , without having to trade or give up anything at all.

The AFL is very much heading down the road of Wrestling, all entertainment but no sport at all.

Now the salary cap. I thought they lost an AA because of it. Who did we lose in all our time at the top? Ball and that was only because we decided to get Lovett. Are we cheating as well? It must be fun going to the footy thinking the umpires will cheat and so will the AFL. Me well iprefer to just watch the game and think we can win at anytime.

[tweedaletomanning]

At quarter time the free kick count was 7 to 3 in Collingwood's favour.

At 3/4 quarter time that differential had maintained at 17 to 13, and the free kick count across the second and third quarters was generally reflective of a tightly fought contest.

The final free kick count via the AFL Website was 25 free kicks to Collingwood and 13 to St Kilda.

So, in the last quarter the free kick count was 8 - ZIP to Collingwood.

In a quarter which was fiercely contested by both sides.

Now, the impact of those free kicks on the final result, including similar instances of St Kilda players being infringed but no free kicks forthcoming, was most obvious.

When you put the "chopping" of the arms of the Collingwood player of non-Australian heritage alongside 2 occasions when Koschitzke had arms chopped, and one arm dragged down by his (multiple) opponent, when you look at the Collingwood ruckman putting his shoulder squarely into Mc Evoy's back to move Mc Evoy under the contest and mark and when you look at the blocking of Koschitzke from a 2 on 1 marking contest where the blocking payer did not even deem to raise his arms in token effort but merely blocked some 20 metres off the incoming ball you have to start asking questions.

Simply, despite the protestations of the AFL, the game is corrupt from the head down.

And when a CEO starts protesting that there is no corruption that introduces its own questions - always has and always will.

The reason for this situation is the perceived importance of attendances at Collingwood's games, the need to have Collingwood successful to maintain those attendances and wider interest including thru the media and the resultant faunicating of the AFL and the media to Collingwood in search of that audience - that audience being the uneducated, anti-social slags of society such as you witness when you go to a Collingwood game.

The unfortunate fact is that the simplistic and unitelligable noise they make (like a pregnant cow in a difficult birth) multiplied by their number influences umpiring decisions, umpiring decisions already under pressure because of Head Office dictum in regards the absolute requirement to have a successful Collingwood to mitigate against the woeful financial positions in evidence across much of the rest of the competition, the funding of the ill-concieved expansion programme aligned to the AFL's absolute reliance on media contracts for revenue - and bonuses to the CEO, who no doubt lives the life style and has very high levels of personal debt to accomodate the trappings of this life style.

They all go hand in hand.

Hence the very, very favourable draw Collingwood receive year on year - which is also designed to entrench their "success" and feed the AFL coffers.

It is time for change.

Would we expect to see Collingwood playing 6 or more interstate games, including in succesive weeks and with a bye meaning they do not appear in a Victorian based game for a month - and having a succession of 6 day breaks next season, or in any other season on a rotation basis?

The answer to that question is symtomatic of the corruption at AFL headquarters - because AFL headquarters will tell you Collingwood is "too important to the competition" (read revenue) to be handed a draw commensurate with the draw other clubs are punished with year on year with no respite.

Very good points, but you forgot to mention that they also are NOT restricted by any salary cap as they manage to keep ALL their stars SOMEHOW.

Ant they are also not bound by the draft tampering rules either, as they can bring in any player from any club, without any interference, and still offer them top dollar , without having to trade or give up anything at all.

The AFL is very much heading down the road of Wrestling, all entertainment but no sport at all.

Now the salary cap. I thought they lost an AA because of it. Who did we lose in all our time at the top? Ball and that was only because we decided to get Lovett. Are we cheating as well? It must be fun going to the footy thinking the umpires will cheat and so will the AFL. Me well iprefer to just watch the game and think we can win at anytime.

Of course you do... That's because you are an ignorant fool! ( nothing personal)

Tell me where did Davis end up?
Anywhere? His manager was so incompetent he couldn't strike a deal with anyone?

[plugger66]

Very good points, but you forgot to mention that they also are NOT restricted by any salary cap as they manage to keep ALL their stars SOMEHOW.

Ant they are also not bound by the draft tampering rules either, as they can bring in any player from any club, without any interference, and still offer them top dollar , without having to trade or give up anything at all.

The AFL is very much heading down the road of Wrestling, all entertainment but no sport at all.

Now the salary cap. I thought they lost an AA because of it. Who did we lose in all our time at the top? Ball and that was only because we decided to get Lovett. Are we cheating as well? It must be fun going to the footy thinking the umpires will cheat and so will the AFL. Me well iprefer to just watch the game and think we can win at anytime.

Of course you do... That's because you are an ignorant fool! ( nothing personal)

Tell me where did Davis end up?
Anywhere? His manager was so incompetent he couldn't strike a deal with anyone?

Where he ended up has nothing to do with him leaving because they didnt have the money to pay him. How come you didnt answer my question? Did we cheat as well?

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I see where the cancerous toad has infected this thread as well!

But, back on subject.

The free kick paid against Milne has been confirmed by the AFL as wrong.

In reviewing the Koschitzke incident, the AFL has recorded that Koschitzke had one arm held by his opponent when approaching a marking contest - significantly not recording that a free kick had been paid to Koschitzke.

By contrast, in looking at Milne v Jolly the report records that a free kick was paid to Jolly.

So the most obvious conclusion to be drawn is that St Kilda were disadvantaged by the umpiring and that it could quite easily be argued that the umpiring determined the result of this game.

The AFL should be pressured and questioned accordingly because they are bringing the game into disrepute.

I still fail to see how a free kick count can go 8 - ZIP one way in the last quarter, noting the intitial AFL match statistics web-site confirmed this fact as did the MCG Scoreboard but that media reporting now gives St Kilda as receiving 1 free kick in the last quarter to 8 - again, why this change in reporting?

As for the cancerous toad of 20 Million "contributions", well the very great majority who contribute here give one message to you sitting on your computer 24/7 - and I repeat it, so do us a favour and find something else to do other than put your uneducated "contributions" on here wasting time and space.

[joffaboy]

Considering your OP title is wrong, why should anyone consider the rest of your blatherings?

I watch exactly 1 minute of the game and I saw the Saints get an OOF free kick in the 60 seconds.

So 8-0 is factually WRONG.

Get that correct first and the rest of your rant might even be read.

[SaintPav]

Considering your OP title is wrong, why should anyone consider the rest of your blatherings?

I watch exactly 1 minute of the game and I saw the Saints get an OOF free kick in the 60 seconds.

So 8-0 is factually WRONG.

Get that correct first and the rest of your rant might even be read.

I got sucked into that as well. It was actually 9-1.

[dragit]

Considering your OP title is wrong, why should anyone consider the rest of your blatherings?

I watch exactly 1 minute of the game and I saw the Saints get an OOF free kick in the 60 seconds.

So 8-0 is factually WRONG.

Get that correct first and the rest of your rant might even be read.

I got sucked into that as well. It was actually 9-1.

Actually 9-2

[Harvey To Hayes]

Considering your OP title is wrong, why should anyone consider the rest of your blatherings?

I watch exactly 1 minute of the game and I saw the Saints get an OOF free kick in the 60 seconds.

So 8-0 is factually WRONG.

Get that correct first and the rest of your rant might even be read.

Is an OOF free even relevant? Hardly an adjudication on behalf of the field umpire...

[Superboot]

Considering your OP title is wrong, why should anyone consider the rest of your blatherings?

I watch exactly 1 minute of the game and I saw the Saints get an OOF free kick in the 60 seconds.

So 8-0 is factually WRONG.

Get that correct first and the rest of your rant might even be read.

Is an OOF free even relevant? Hardly an adjudication on behalf of the field umpire...

Probably not relevant in this context, but notably also one of very few decisions that are not subject to the umpire's subjective interpretation.

[dragit]

Considering your OP title is wrong, why should anyone consider the rest of your blatherings?

I watch exactly 1 minute of the game and I saw the Saints get an OOF free kick in the 60 seconds.

So 8-0 is factually WRONG.

Get that correct first and the rest of your rant might even be read.

Is an OOF free even relevant? Hardly an adjudication on behalf of the field umpire...

It's the field umpire that calls it, isn't it? Not the boundary umpire?

[noreason41]

Considering your OP title is wrong, why should anyone consider the rest of your blatherings?

I watch exactly 1 minute of the game and I saw the Saints get an OOF free kick in the 60 seconds.

So 8-0 is factually WRONG.

Get that correct first and the rest of your rant might even be read.

Is an OOF free even relevant? Hardly an adjudication on behalf of the field umpire...

Probably not relevant in this context, but notably also one of very few decisions that are not subject to the umpire's subjective interpretation

Seriously...conspiracy theories much.

subjective interpretation
If you think about it for more then a split second (try and take an impartial view) - There are 3 field umpires on the ground, 4 boundary umpires & 2 goal umpires.

How can you even possibly expect consistency?

On top of that, the rules are so broad and open to interpretation (just look at the tribunal system), that when an umpire has to make a split second decision, based on his interpretation of whether a rule has been broken (hands in the back, chopping of the arms, high contact when the player ducks, sling tackle...no attempt to ged rid of the ball, incorrect disposal while getting rid of the ball, etc).



Alas, that's all irrelevant. Even though Collingwood sit 12th(297-306) In Frees for (We're 5th [343,334]) - It's blatantly obvious Collingwood get given more frees then anyone else

[stinger]

Great post. Most of it is true.

nearly plus one........all true...not most of it...

[Austinnn]

When you put the "chopping" of the arms of the Collingwood player of non-Australian heritage alongside 2 occasions when Koschitzke had arms chopped, and one arm dragged down by his (multiple) opponent, when you look at the Collingwood ruckman putting his shoulder squarely into Mc Evoy's back to move Mc Evoy under the contest and mark and when you look at the blocking of Koschitzke from a 2 on 1 marking contest where the blocking payer did not even deem to raise his arms in token effort but merely blocked some 20 metres off the incoming ball you have to start asking questions.

Any relevance where the player comes from? None at all. So why mention it? Or have you got some backwards theory about players of non-Australian heritage being cheats or squibs or some equally insane rubbish? I wouldn't have thought so but I can't for the life of me think of another reason to mention the player's heritage. You didn't mention Kosi's, or McEvoy's (both at least partially European by the surname) or even the umpire's (Mars, according to Kevin Sheedy). Weird.

Here's an idea; next time, just say 'a Collingwood player' or the player's number or the player's surname, or even the player's nickname.

Sorry to get off track, now to address the subject.

The free kick count is suspicious, but the salary cap stuff is nonsense. All this conspiracy theory rubbish makes us look weak and deranged and I hope that eventually we get back to being so powerful that we didn't have to keep coming up with silly theories about why we lost. I didn't hear anyone whinge about the first GF 2010, surely if the AFL was corrupt, that would have been a Pies win not a draw, or was that a despicable plan to maximise our pain?

As for the brave poster calling P66 an ignorant fool and to all posters with similarly intelligent comebacks; I'm sure that you know that actually he is neither ignorant nor a fool. P66 doesn't need me to stand up for him, but this demonisation of one antagonistic poster painting him as a cartoon villain is beyond boring now. It's too easy. Why not just try and answer the man's questions? If he's so ignorant and foolish, the questions shouldn't be so hard to answer. I've never met him, and don't agree with everything he says, but he's right to be cynical of some of the childish ranting that goes on here.

[plugger66]

I see where the cancerous toad has infected this thread as well!

But, back on subject.

The free kick paid against Milne has been confirmed by the AFL as wrong.

In reviewing the Koschitzke incident, the AFL has recorded that Koschitzke had one arm held by his opponent when approaching a marking contest - significantly not recording that a free kick had been paid to Koschitzke.

By contrast, in looking at Milne v Jolly the report records that a free kick was paid to Jolly.

So the most obvious conclusion to be drawn is that St Kilda were disadvantaged by the umpiring and that it could quite easily be argued that the umpiring determined the result of this game.

The AFL should be pressured and questioned accordingly because they are bringing the game into disrepute.

I still fail to see how a free kick count can go 8 - ZIP one way in the last quarter, noting the intitial AFL match statistics web-site confirmed this fact as did the MCG Scoreboard but that media reporting now gives St Kilda as receiving 1 free kick in the last quarter to 8 - again, why this change in reporting?

As for the cancerous toad of 20 Million "contributions", well the very great majority who contribute here give one message to you sitting on your computer 24/7 - and I repeat it, so do us a favour and find something else to do other than put your uneducated "contributions" on here wasting time and space.

Have you done a survey on me. Glad I have that much effect on your little life. If i am uneducated then what about a person who has thought Milne should have been out of the side for the last 3 years. Surely you find a fool like that even more uneducated. I just did a quick survey. They came to the conclusion a person who thinks that should be affecting this site. We dont need to dumb down other SS people. And what is your point about the Jolly, Milne free? Because Milne doesnt get suspended it shouldnt be a free. Now that is dumbing it down to a point that you make dumb and dumber look like Einstein.

[Waltzing St Kilda]

The EPL analogy is a good one because, while the AFL isn't nearly as unbalanced as that, there are obvious inequities that supporters of the "lesser" clubs consistently have to deal with.

I've noted this before, but on the day of 2010 GF1 we were facing a club with not only infinitely better training facilities and game-analysing resources but one that had been favoured by the season's fixture (fewer interstate matches and a slew of home-ground matches leading into the finals). We had an ex-player (Ball) in the opposition team after his manager scared off other suitors (a case of possible draft tampering that the AFL showed no willingness to investigate). We also had a player (Baker) who in the lead-up to the finals had been suspended for 9 matches -- an exceedingly dubious penalty that a more powerful club might have challenged successfully (if indeed such a severe penalty had been applied in the first place).

We drew the match. And most likely would have won it if we'd enjoyed Collingwood's training facilities, their soft fixture, and their intimidatory power over the AFL.

[gringo]

I see where the cancerous toad has infected this thread as well!

But, back on subject.

The free kick paid against Milne has been confirmed by the AFL as wrong.

In reviewing the Koschitzke incident, the AFL has recorded that Koschitzke had one arm held by his opponent when approaching a marking contest - significantly not recording that a free kick had been paid to Koschitzke.

By contrast, in looking at Milne v Jolly the report records that a free kick was paid to Jolly.

So the most obvious conclusion to be drawn is that St Kilda were disadvantaged by the umpiring and that it could quite easily be argued that the umpiring determined the result of this game.

The AFL should be pressured and questioned accordingly because they are bringing the game into disrepute.

I still fail to see how a free kick count can go 8 - ZIP one way in the last quarter, noting the intitial AFL match statistics web-site confirmed this fact as did the MCG Scoreboard but that media reporting now gives St Kilda as receiving 1 free kick in the last quarter to 8 - again, why this change in reporting?

As for the cancerous toad of 20 Million "contributions", well the very great majority who contribute here give one message to you sitting on your computer 24/7 - and I repeat it, so do us a favour and find something else to do other than put your uneducated "contributions" on here wasting time and space.

Have you done a survey on me. Glad I have that much effect on your little life. If i am uneducated then what about a person who has thought Milne should have been out of the side for the last 3 years. Surely you find a fool like that even more uneducated. I just did a quick survey. They came to the conclusion a person who thinks that should be affecting this site. We dont need to dumb down other SS people. And what is your point about the Jolly, Milne free? Because Milne doesnt get suspended it shouldnt be a free. Now that is dumbing it down to a point that you make dumb and dumber look like Einstein.

A bit rich from a guy who drinks 6 cans before umpiring the ammo reserves and feels part of the AFL hierarchy.

[plugger66]

I see where the cancerous toad has infected this thread as well!

But, back on subject.

The free kick paid against Milne has been confirmed by the AFL as wrong.

In reviewing the Koschitzke incident, the AFL has recorded that Koschitzke had one arm held by his opponent when approaching a marking contest - significantly not recording that a free kick had been paid to Koschitzke.

By contrast, in looking at Milne v Jolly the report records that a free kick was paid to Jolly.

So the most obvious conclusion to be drawn is that St Kilda were disadvantaged by the umpiring and that it could quite easily be argued that the umpiring determined the result of this game.

The AFL should be pressured and questioned accordingly because they are bringing the game into disrepute.

I still fail to see how a free kick count can go 8 - ZIP one way in the last quarter, noting the intitial AFL match statistics web-site confirmed this fact as did the MCG Scoreboard but that media reporting now gives St Kilda as receiving 1 free kick in the last quarter to 8 - again, why this change in reporting?

As for the cancerous toad of 20 Million "contributions", well the very great majority who contribute here give one message to you sitting on your computer 24/7 - and I repeat it, so do us a favour and find something else to do other than put your uneducated "contributions" on here wasting time and space.

Have you done a survey on me. Glad I have that much effect on your little life. If i am uneducated then what about a person who has thought Milne should have been out of the side for the last 3 years. Surely you find a fool like that even more uneducated. I just did a quick survey. They came to the conclusion a person who thinks that should be affecting this site. We dont need to dumb down other SS people. And what is your point about the Jolly, Milne free? Because Milne doesnt get suspended it shouldnt be a free. Now that is dumbing it down to a point that you make dumb and dumber look like Einstein.

A bit rich from a guy who drinks 6 cans before umpiring the ammo reserves and feels part of the AFL hierarchy.

Sorry but what you said has no bearing to what I said. Look like TTT has already dumbed you down.

[bergholt]

Is an OOF free even relevant? Hardly an adjudication on behalf of the field umpire...

there were no OOFs. there was a deliberate, which is definitely a judgement call. have a look here and you can see each of them:

http://www.gameanalyser.afl.com.au/?rou ... ality=high

the final tally is 9-2 for the quarter, as if that matters.