Judd - Am I missing something?

[saintspremiers]

Sounds like at least he went in with no pretence of intent or some silly story, probably just went with 'I did it, but I did not intend to hurt him that much'

He had very good legal advice and clearly they spun their story very carefully. And slowly. Good tactics. Shame Ratts can't coach the team that well on field lol!

[SENsei]

I reckon an appeal will be forthcoming.

[SainterK]

I reckon an appeal will be forthcoming.

I don't...

If I understand it correctly SEN, he got away with not having his 30% loading added to the 4 weeks, leave it be I reckon.

[BigMart]

Why is anybody arguing for the AFL or the Tribunal is beyond.... It's one thing to stick up the the club and go into bat for them.... Loyalty is an admirable quality...

The AFL, the MRP and the Tribunal don't deserve one iota of support IMO whether they got this right or wrong!
The suspensions of Kosi a year or so ago, more recently Goddard...... And of course the biggest joke, which purposely ended a career with Baker has meant to me that they have Zero credibility and I have no respect for either of the institutions...

And Judd..... I just like the fact he has been tarnished with this, because he has got away with plenty..... F*** him and Carlton p, they're cheats anyway

[battye]

Sounds like at least he went in with no pretence of intent or some silly story, probably just went with 'I did it, but I did not intend to hurt him that much'

From what I heard on SEN, it sounded like he went in with the excuse of trying to stop the player on the bottom of the pack from handballing.

[Cairnsman]

Just one thing on this thread. It proves that these type of threads should be on this forum. It wouldnt hardly get a look in on the other one. Well thats my opinion on it anyway.

Nup better still, there should be a P66 forum. It would be huge. It could be called "Ask P66"

[stevie]

Ludicrous that the thug Merrett got off and ziebell gets the same penalty as Gouger .

[SENsei]

The whole competition is ludicrous and farcicle (not sure on my spelling of either word!) The MRP, tribunal and the commission are flawed. No system and no consistency. Then there is the whole matter over the FIXture. Not a level playing field.

I've struggled all this year with enthusiasm for AFL. I've preferred the local footy. Even though it doesn't involve St Kilda, this Judd and now Ziebell sanctions just go to prove my point to myself.

It's not the same game that I grew up with.

[CURLY]

Absolute joke. Then they followed up with ths even more disgraceful Ziebell decision. At least all the do gooders will be pleased.

P.S next time we get reamed by the MRP remember these type of rulings and how your pleased it wasn't us. That's the problem we jump up and down about how s*** the system is when its us but hope others get shafted by it.

[markp]

The whole competition is ludicrous and farcicle (not sure on my spelling of either word!) The MRP, tribunal and the commission are flawed. No system and no consistency. Then there is the whole matter over the FIXture. Not a level playing field.

I've struggled all this year with enthusiasm for AFL. I've preferred the local footy. Even though it doesn't involve St Kilda, this Judd and now Ziebell sanctions just go to prove my point to myself.

It's not the same game that I grew up with.

The AFL tribunal is to law what the Ponds institute is to science.

It's a facade, they (can) reverse engineer pretty much whatever outcome they want.

I reckon Judd was on the lucky end of that, I thought they'd be more inclined to go with the Gleeson (prosecutor's) suggestion of 4-5 + loading, with no discount as he didn't really plead guilty. But this way they'll be less inclined to appeal, as SainterK pointed out.

[perfectionist]

The whole competition is ludicrous and farcicle (not sure on my spelling of either word!) ...

You got 50% right.

Four weeks is the correct penalty.

A Tribunal system is far superior to a MRP system, in terms of getting it right, except for one thing - continuity of membership. In the "old days" there was one Tribunal, and its members were on it for many years, so it had "collective memory". But, there were only 12 teams then and all games were over on Saturday night and there were not endless replays from every conceivable angle to throw doubt on the umpire's report (like replays of catches in cricket). And then, only the umpires on the day could report (except in the most egregious cases). But as the Tribunal was expanded to different panels, the question of consistency came up. Eventually, the MRP system was introduced.

My biggest problem with the way the current system works is the weight given to the outcome. For example, if you throw a player into the fence, and he is not injured you get a lesser penalty than throwing a player into a fence who is injured. This is not a court of law. It is football. The idea is to discourage people from throwing players into the fence (or kneeing them in the back without any intention at all at going for the ball). I would also have given Rich 4 weeks, for the most dangerous act I have seen so far this year. Merrett deserved 2 weeks for his dirty act.

[SainterK]

I don't understand the emotion over Ziebell.

Head has been sacrosanct for quite a period of time now.

Game is in a great place, football is healthy.

I have zero problem with it.

North were foolish to challenge.

[perfectionist]

...North were foolish to challenge.

Agree. The penalty is correct.

[saintspremiers]

I don't understand the emotion over Ziebell.

Head has been sacrosanct for quite a period of time now.

Game is in a great place, football is healthy.

I have zero problem with it.

North were foolish to challenge.

agree 100%

[SENsei]

I don't understand the emotion over Ziebell.

Head has been sacrosanct for quite a period of time now.

Game is in a great place, football is healthy.

I have zero problem with it.

North were foolish to challenge.

I have a different view. There is a difference in interpretation over contact from a kick or contact when handballed. How a player who is already airborne to potentially contest the ball is able to in a split second determine the ramifications of each is just too hard.

In the Wellingham case, he jumped, realised he wasn't going to mark and inflicted as much pain as he could. Ziebell was going to grab the ball, missed it and braced for contact. And there was some doubt in my mind whether he actually collected the head in any case. I think it was harsh and moves our game further and further to a non-contact sport.

[SainterK]

I don't understand the emotion over Ziebell.

Head has been sacrosanct for quite a period of time now.

Game is in a great place, football is healthy.

I have zero problem with it.

North were foolish to challenge.

I have a different view. There is a difference in interpretation over contact from a kick or contact when handballed. How a player who is already airborne to potentially contest the ball is able to in a split second determine the ramifications of each is just too hard.

In the Wellingham case, he jumped, realised he wasn't going to mark and inflicted as much pain as he could. Ziebell was going to grab the ball, missed it and braced for contact. And there was some doubt in my mind whether he actually collected the head in any case. I think it was harsh and moves our game further and further to a non-contact sport.

He hit him in the head, in fact he concussed him.

This has been a no-no for some time now.

I haven't seen it impact the game in a negative fashion, to you honestly feel it's suffered for it?

If he is foolish enough to continue to play in this manner, he will continue to be suspended.

[CURLY]

...North were foolish to challenge.

Agree. The penalty is correct.

No its not it goes against everything your taught as a junior.

[SENsei]

I think he was concussed when he hit the ground, not the impact with Ziebell. I think.

I do think the game is different now. One on one contests are going to drop as players will play more of a basketball, non contact version of AFL. You've stated it in your post that Ziebell has to change the way he plays. I think that is what is wrong. We are going to force the hard-at-it players out of the game and we will be left with athletic, keepings off.

I understand protecting the head and all that. And duty of care. But Ziebell was contesting the ball. Next the bump will be outlawed altogether. Oh hang on.....

[CURLY]

I think he was concussed when he hit the ground, not the impact with Ziebell. I think.

I do think the game is different now. One on one contests are going to drop as players will play more of a basketball, non contact version of AFL. You've stated it in your post that Ziebell has to change the way he plays. I think that is what is wrong. We are going to force the hard-at-it players out of the game and we will be left with athletic, keepings off.

I understand protecting the head and all that. And duty of care. But Ziebell was contesting the ball. Next the bump will be outlawed altogether. Oh hang on.....

Exactly. Players must be able to contest the ball.

[SainterK]

I think he was concussed when he hit the ground, not the impact with Ziebell. I think.

I do think the game is different now. One on one contests are going to drop as players will play more of a basketball, non contact version of AFL. You've stated it in your post that Ziebell has to change the way he plays. I think that is what is wrong. We are going to force the hard-at-it players out of the game and we will be left with athletic, keepings off.

I understand protecting the head and all that. And duty of care. But Ziebell was contesting the ball. Next the bump will be outlawed altogether. Oh hang on.....

Bumps are still happening with frequency, saw Simpkin execute a perfect one on Jonathan Brown on the weekend.



His head doesn't hit the ground, his hands do.

I'm struggling to understand why he felt the need to leave the ground for a handball recieve?

[SENsei]

I think he was concussed when he hit the ground, not the impact with Ziebell. I think.

I do think the game is different now. One on one contests are going to drop as players will play more of a basketball, non contact version of AFL. You've stated it in your post that Ziebell has to change the way he plays. I think that is what is wrong. We are going to force the hard-at-it players out of the game and we will be left with athletic, keepings off.

I understand protecting the head and all that. And duty of care. But Ziebell was contesting the ball. Next the bump will be outlawed altogether. Oh hang on.....

Bumps are still happening with frequency, saw Simpkin execute a perfect one on Jonathan Brown on the weekend.



His head doesn't hit the ground, his hands do.

I'm struggling to understand why he felt the need to leave the ground for a handball recieve?

Same reason players leave the ground to mark. To gain an advantage. Next we will have the specky mark outlawed because someone gets kicked in the head. If a player has his head over the ball, then I am all for 100% protection. But incidental contact from a non-violent playing action (both players contesting the ball fairly) then I think that is part of the game. Fair bump, play on. I forget....did Joseph get a free kick? Not being smart. Honestly don't know.

[SainterK]

No he didn't...

[jonesy]

Logic/common sense is thrown out the door with the current system,with loadings,activation points,etc. What an absolute farce

Ziebell copping 4, as bad the Baker 13 week decision nearly..

Get a panel of 3 people together who have to qualify with an over 90% mark on the common sense exam...might be struggling in todays society.
Throw all these comical points out the door and ram them up the AFL's a$$ while you are at it. The three piece 'high on common sense' panel sit down together and grade each case on it's merit,and give a penalty that is fair...how hard is it without having to use all these BS categories that lead to 273.78 activation points,plus a 24.345% bad record loading,minus a 7.897% guilty plea,subtracting the Mean tide height differences at Williamstown beach of the 13th sunday of each leap year.

FFS- These things should take 5 minutes,and most people will sit down and say fair enough. How hard is it??!! Really! F*** me

[SENsei]

No he didn't...

I didn't think so. I reckon they have this one wrong personally. Others where the player has his head over the ball, absolutely protect him. But on this occasion, JZ is very hard done by.

[meher baba]

Just one thing on this thread. It proves that these type of threads should be on this forum. It wouldnt hardly get a look in on the other one. Well thats my opinion on it anyway.

+1

The other forum is a waste of space.