Pump GC vs resting players

[Stillwaiting]

Resting players can disrupt form. If we have any tired players rest them and give a run to those needing senior experience, otherwise play a full strenghth team.

[Toy Saint]

Kosi was looking a bit weary last week, is Archer still on our list?

[SuperSaint66]

RUTHLESS & RELENTLESS should be our key words this week. This is a game that we are expected to win and win well. Let's go WAY beyond that !!

Yes, Yes, Yes!!

[saintspremiers]

A big win aginst this mob and the belief gets rolling.

You taking the piss?

GC are a crock of Shyte. Whilst a big win always good, you need to keep things in perspective......

[bigcarl]

Who volunteers to tell Lenny he won't be playing because he "looks tired"?

Not me. Way to break a guy's heart.

As for the possibility of an injury, they can happen at any time in any match.

Carlton's season has not been the same since it arrogantly rested Judd, Murphy etc to "keep them fresh for September".

Put the best team out there and respect all opponents.

[SaintPav]

Who volunteers to tell Lenny he won't be playing because he "looks tired"?

Not me. Way to break a guy's heart.

As for the possibility of an injury, they can happen at any time in any match.

Carlton's season has not been the same since it arrogantly rested Judd, Murphy etc to "keep them fresh for September".

Put the best team out there and respect all opponents.

Why do you automatically think that resting palyers, if even they did that, is a cause of their form slump? That theory just doesn't wash at all.

[SainterK]

Geelong managed to tap senior guys on the shoulder and convince them of resting last year without breaking their hearts Carl.

[Scollop]

It might become more accepted as part of the modern game where travel and players ages and planning for finals and adding team depth means you rest players. Tell these blokes that they are first choice when we make finals and tell them that it is in the teams interest. Ideally you'd get buy-in from the leadership group and buy-in from the players concerned. Their form won't drop off. I can't see experienced players and most of the group losing their touch by missing only 1 game.

The experienced blokes and some of the talls usually play well fresh, so I say definitely rest either Kosi or Roo. You'd want Blake resting as well, and I'm sure at the start of the year, they may have even planned to rest him for this game, but that's a luxury we can't afford right now. I would also look to rest Dal or CJ or one of the mids...maybe also rest either Milne or Millera. Maximum out should be 3 as anymore and it has the potential to change team dynamics. I think 4 or more changes upsets team balance and harms your chances of winning in the weeks that follow.

Who gives a stuff if the opposition thinks we don't respect them. Playing GC or GWS is an opportunity to 'plan' to be in peak form at the pointy end of the year. We need to get the best out of the players that are going to be needed in finals and 'manage' the list for the grueling schedule of 13 or 14 or hopefully 15 or more weeks of footy.

[bigcarl]

Geelong managed to tap senior guys on the shoulder and convince them of resting last year without breaking their hearts Carl.

Geelong weren't five and five and out of the eight.

[plugger66]

Geelong managed to tap senior guys on the shoulder and convince them of resting last year without breaking their hearts Carl.

geelong weren't five and five and out of the eight

Exactly and we are also playing interstate. GC will win a game sooner or later. Just in case people have short memories the Dons lost last week to the winless Melbourne. And other thing that I still havent really had answered is why rest players when they will rest in 2 weeks anyway.

[SainterK]

Geelong managed to tap senior guys on the shoulder and convince them of resting last year without breaking their hearts Carl.

Geelong weren't five and five and out of the eight.

This year?

[samuraisaint]

If you really want to rest players give them a week off training.

[Con Gorozidis]

If you really want to rest players give them a week off training.

agree. if anyone is tired deal with it during the week - not the weekend.
GC are going to win a game sooner or later. Not on oour bloody watch. we need to crush them early.

[stkfc1]

Pump them in the first half, tempo footy in the second.It's ugly but we get the best of both
worlds.We can't be complacent, last round proves that. At the pointy end of the season, if we are there abouts, percentage could decide who's playing finals.Would love 60-80 plus win but would be happy with 30 odd and the 4 points.

[stevie]

Geelong managed to tap senior guys on the shoulder and convince them of resting last year without breaking their hearts Carl.

geelong weren't five and five and out of the eight

Exactly and we are also playing interstate. GC will win a game sooner or later. Just in case people have short memories the Dons lost last week to the winless Melbourne. And other thing that I still havent really had answered is why rest players when they will rest in 2 weeks anyway.

Good point about Dees. But we don't have soft cocks in our team like some Bummers last week! I have never seen so many players almost afraid of playing a wet game! 'Ooh, I'm getting wet...I can't run to that contest cos I'm cold...someone else will have to win this game for us...'

[felix]

This was in the HS today about the need for extra time off for players



St Kilda veteran and AFLPA board member Jason Blake said gaining a two-bye season was a high priority for the players.

"The demands of the game are increasing each year and coupled with the increase of travel and scheduling of six-day turnarounds, the extra bye would be of significant value to players," he said.

"I think it'll also maintain the integrity of the game by helping prevent clubs from deliberating resting players, marquee players, due to general soreness and fatigue.

"I think it's becoming more common."

[SainterK]

Jason Phelan‏@AFL_JasonPhelan

@stkildafc's Watters at the airport: Not taking @GoldCoastFC lightly by resting players. McEvoy, Fisher, Geary all a chance v @Adelaide_FC.

[Scollop]

Rooy got some fantastic headlines this past week for kicking 7 against the Suns and notching up goal number 500...but was it the best thing for the team's chances of finals success this year?

Was it the best thing for Watters and his selection committee and the player leadership group to treat the game against the Suns as a normal week in the year?

Was it a soft decision and a selfish decision by the older blokes to want to paly against the Suns when it would've been in the teams interest to blood players and provide opportunities for players to play different roles and build a stronger more adaptable team?

Last night against Adelaide, Roo was good, but he could have been a whole lot better and so more important to our chances of victory had he been rested against the SUNS. We are good enough to beat Adelaide on equal terms and at any venue, but it's up to the senior blokes to put their hand up and do the EFN TEAM THING. Next time this type of situation confronts us, lead by example ROO....if you rest then maybe Milne, Lenny, Blakey and Kosi might follow. Clearly, these blokes are not what they used to be. This is not 2009 and not resting blokes has consequences!!!

[saintsRrising]

Last night against Adelaide, Roo was good, but he could have been a whole lot better and so more important to our chances of victory had he been rested against the SUNS.

I think you will find that it was his injury early in the Crows game that was the reason for his quieter game, rather than lack of "rest".

[Scollop]

Would he have had an injury if he rested the week before? Most probably not. Well why didn't he have a fuggin rest?

I think you'll find most people think that Roo was not right before the game started. He pulled up at training in Adelaide. There are countless reports of this happening. So they traet him or give him a jab or do something which inturn restricts him or has an impact somewhere else on his body...They said after the game that it was his calf, but I mean it could have started with the knee or the thigh getting assistance and then because of the stress and strain his old muscles couldn't cope...Either way, I think you'll find any bs explanation about him getting injured early in the actual game itself, is just plain bs to cover up the fact that he had a niggle going in.

How did Kos go when he played his first game back after his suspension? How did Lenny play in his first senior game for 4 premiership points after being out for so long? These blokes play well fresh. Do you think it was a co-incidence that Blakey, Kos, Roo and Milne, and to some extent Lenny wasn't 100% and these are the older blokes?

[saintsRrising]

Game I watched had our supposedly tired "unfresh" players running all over the well-rested Crows in the last 10 minutes.

Whereas in the first quarter when fatigue should not have been an issue we were piss-poor.

First quarters nave in the main been a huge problem all year. That is a core problem. If you give your opponents head-starts you are more likely to lose.

Cost us dearly against PA, Freo and WCE.

We need to learn to play better in the first half when we are "fresh". The second half when we are "tired" we have been pretty good.

[plugger66]

Would he have had an injury if he rested the week before? Most probably not. Well why didn't he have a fuggin rest?

I think you'll find most people think that Roo was not right before the game started. He pulled up at training in Adelaide. There are countless reports of this happening. So they traet him or give him a jab or do something which inturn restricts him or has an impact somewhere else on his body...They said after the game that it was his calf, but I mean it could have started with the knee or the thigh getting assistance and then because of the stress and strain his old muscles couldn't cope...Either way, I think you'll find any bs explanation about him getting injured early in the actual game itself, is just plain bs to cover up the fact that he had a niggle going in.

How did Kos go when he played his first game back after his suspension? How did Lenny play in his first senior game for 4 premiership points after being out for so long? These blokes play well fresh. Do you think it was a co-incidence that Blakey, Kos, Roo and Milne, and to some extent Lenny wasn't 100% and these are the older blokes?

Please tell me you are joking. Who would know if he would have been injured or not without a rest. The point is he got injured. In hindsight we may have been able to rest 10 players but sorry Scollop and your hindsight of the game, it isnt played in hindsight and we were 5/5 coming into an away game. resting those 3 or 4 you mentioned would be pure arrogance and may have sparked GC.

[saintspremiers]

Should we rest Roo against Norf?

Norf appear to be another bye team like GC, Melbourne & GWS.

[bigcarl]

Should we rest Roo against Norf?

Norf appear to be another bye team like GC, Melbourne & GWS.

No. He's getting a rest this week.

[Scollop]

Please tell me you are joking. Who would know if he would have been injured or not without a rest. The point is he got injured. In hindsight we may have been able to rest 10 players but sorry Scollop and your hindsight of the game, it isnt played in hindsight and we were 5/5 coming into an away game. resting those 3 or 4 you mentioned would be pure arrogance and may have sparked GC.

I didn't want 10 rested....Read the original post from a couple of days before we played the Suns; "Maximum out should be 3 as anymore and it has the potential to change team dynamics. I think 4 or more changes upsets team balance and harms your chances of winning in the weeks that follow."

I would've rested one of the power forwards against GC and was hoping it would be Roo (because we all know that he has had waer and tear issues). One of the small forwards could have been rested without harming our chances against the suns and also one of the mids. Millera or Milne rested v suns would've been brave, calculated and would've been a smart team move for the Adelaide game ahead. Not sure who would've taken their spot, but I'm sure there's a few to choose from.

Ray could've come in to do the tagging job in the suns game. Or maybe Armo or Jack could've had a rest or maybe even CJ. How would CJ have gone against Sloane or Thompson if he'd rested v suns?

Roo didn't come into the Adelaide game like someone who is fresh and ready to go and that's where the captain and the club made a mistake. Our club needs to be bold enough and strong enough to demand that Roo have a rest when it is warranted. If you honestly think that we would've gone close to losing against the Suns, then you don't have much faith in the playing group do you. Forget about where the first game was played, that is irrelevant. When we played them earlier this year we dominated them easily, and we weren't playing nearly half as good and just getting used to the new gamestyle.

Rooy didn't have a collision at training did he? It was purely a wear and tear 'senior' players common calf strain. The fact that Roo had a niggle/injury/wasn't right within a few minutes of the Adelaide game starting, means that his body (in particular the part of his body which does all the bl00dy work- his legs) could've done with a rest. If you disagree, that's fine, but most of the players agree that the season is too long and next year they all get an opportunity for two rests ( even all the younger blokes).