Salary Cap Pressure - Likely To Lose 1 Big Name Player

[Richter]

So we are saying there has been cap mismanagement???

Middle of the road and having to give up a big name... And this has been forecast??

Like the mismanagement at the end of last season, which led to....

Zac leaving, being replaced by Simpkin..... = Saints win
Tommy Walsh going for picks 35 and 68, used on Markworth and Wilkes.... = so far, Saints win
Tom Lynch going to Adelaide for pick 37, used on Jack Newnes... = Saints win

and.... instead of paying the money on these three we had plenty of spare $$ to do the following trade...

pick 20 for pick 25 (used on Seb Ross) and Milera and Saad... = massive Saints win... (best trade since Schneider and Dempster for pick 26 in '07)

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I'd be stoked with that sort of cap mismanagement every year to be honest...

[dragit]

So we are saying there has been cap mismanagement???

Middle of the road and having to give up a big name... And this has been forecast??

Absolute disastrous mismanagement… While it seems a lot of clubs have been planning for free agency since its conception, keeping enough room to play for a gun recruit. We can't even balance the books with our current players…

Fancy approving clauses to Kosi & Gram, automating a contract extension if they wish… good servants and very good players but that is just silly.

Geelong on the other hand after 3 premierships, sound like they are making a big play for Dangerfield

Would Riewoldt really have walked if we only had offered him 750k/year instead of 1 million? I don't think so…

The problem has been masked a little too with none of our middle tier players coming on… imagine if some of Lynch, Heyne, Walsh, Smith, Winmar etc had of become decent players with us? Or Ball & Lovett had stayed No way we could afford them… as it is we lost Walsh & Lynch who still hadn't proven anything, but we probably we have kept if could afford it…

Most of our stars have been getting 'overs' for years & would do well to finish their careers off on a little less coin, but at the same time I don't begrudge anyone leaving for a retirement fund… I would prefer to be able to keep our new rising stars than pay top $ for any 30 year olds… Is anyone else really going to want Gram & Kosi?

[defacto]

Couldn't agree more dragit.

To complicate things more some of our youth is out of contract at the end of the year. It's going to be very tough to keep them.

[Con Gorozidis]

i dont know why we would have pressure.
grammy and roo coming out of big contracts.

[plugger66]

i dont know why we would have pressure.
grammy and roo coming out of big contracts.

Roo has a year to go. Grammy seems to have some silly clause in his contract.

[gringo]

Unfortunately premierships bond players, losing them stings and holding together a group is harder from 2 place than first. we are victims of a stumble ion the final hurdle.

Geelong has their hero status and close bond in victory to hold them together we have to pay to fend off expansion clubs while dwelling up the top with nothing to show.

Ball would probably have stayed for less if we won, new players are easier to attract etc. It's a tough business. Once you start to fall away and all your backend contracts start to need paying out it looks like incompetence but the flip side is losing players to expansion teams like the dogs with Ward and Harbrow.

[Dr Spaceman]

Unfortunately premierships bond players, losing them stings and holding together a group is harder from 2 place than first. we are victims of a stumble ion the final hurdle.

Geelong has their hero status and close bond in victory to hold them together we have to pay to fend off expansion clubs while dwelling up the top with nothing to show.

Ball would probably have stayed for less if we won, new players are easier to attract etc. It's a tough business. Once you start to fall away and all your backend contracts start to need paying out it looks like incompetence but the flip side is losing players to expansion teams like the dogs with Ward and Harbrow.

Perhaps, but in can work both ways

Possibly Gazza would have stayed at Geelong if they had fallen short and if they looked more likely to win a flag in the short term than Gold Coast.

Someone like BJ has to weigh up the chances of becoming a Premiership player versus the reality of earning insane money.

On the flip side, Cloke has a premership medal in the trophy cabinet so he can take more of a risk if he wants to.

[gringo]

Unfortunately premierships bond players, losing them stings and holding together a group is harder from 2 place than first. we are victims of a stumble ion the final hurdle.

Geelong has their hero status and close bond in victory to hold them together we have to pay to fend off expansion clubs while dwelling up the top with nothing to show.

Ball would probably have stayed for less if we won, new players are easier to attract etc. It's a tough business. Once you start to fall away and all your backend contracts start to need paying out it looks like incompetence but the flip side is losing players to expansion teams like the dogs with Ward and Harbrow.

Perhaps, but in can work both ways

Possibly Gazza would have stayed at Geelong if they had fallen short and if they looked more likely to win a flag in the short term than Gold Coast.

Someone like BJ has to weigh up the chances of becoming a Premiership player versus the reality of earning insane money.

On the flip side, Cloke has a premership medal in the trophy cabinet so he can take more of a risk if he wants to.

Good point - by the way if I was a recruiter and had the choice of Cloke and Goddard and a spare mill, I'm going elite premiership marking forward every time. I love Goddard but not that much at a million bucks a season. Dangerfield would be at least a gun midfield driver for another 6 years, I think Goddard will struggle to attract the sort of money that some are talking about.

[QuestionOfAccuracy]

The most ridiculous and infuriating part of this issue is the money that Kosi and Gram are supposedly on (500K and 400K respectively). Neither are worth this type of money. On top of this, they apparently have this clause to allow them to automatically sign on for another season.

If we have to lose a top player, and it's looking likely, then I'd hope that it is Montagna.

[SainterK]

The most ridiculous and infuriating part of this issue is the money that Kosi and Gram are supposedly on (500K and 400K respectively). Neither are worth this type of money. On top of this, they apparently have this clause to allow them to automatically sign on for another season.

If we have to lose a top player, and it's looking likely, then I'd hope that it is Montagna.

Koschitzke, who was to come out of contract at the end of this season, signed quietly about two months ago.

It was not announced when news of Lenny Hayes, Nick Dal Santo, Brendon Goddard and Leigh Montagna re-committing filtered out recently.

But Koschitzke has committed after St Kilda moved to fight off interest from Gold Coast. The league's GC compensation formula meant the Saints risked getting very little in return for Koschitzke because of his lack of top 10 best-and-fairest finishes. The Saints, who are about to announce other signings, including Adam Schneider, decided to pounce early to take the new team out of play.

Koschitzke was handsomely rewarded with his previous three-year deal and it is understood he took a pay cut with his latest arrangement.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-pre ... 5923175064

[Sobraz]

Geelong on the other hand after 3 premierships, sound like they are making a big play for Dangerfield

Losing Ablett, and the retirements of Moonay, Ottens, Milburn, Ling may have something to do with extra cap room...

[dragit]

Geelong on the other hand after 3 premierships, sound like they are making a big play for Dangerfield

Losing Ablett, and the retirements of Moonay, Ottens, Milburn, Ling may have something to do with extra cap room...

Yes true, though there are still plenty of stars there that would be getting unders…

Selwood, Johnson, Chapman, Kelly, Bartell, Hawkins, Scarlett, Enright, plus they just resigned Menzel who looks like a gun to me.

The point is that even while they were winning brownlows/flags they weren't earning over 500K, unlike about 5-6 of our blokes.

[dragit]

Koschitzke was handsomely rewarded with his previous three-year deal and it is understood he took a pay cut with his latest arrangement.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-pre ... 5923175064

Yes maybe he took a slight cut, with the proviso of a clause saying that he could tack on an extra year at the end if he was fit… No wonder he's comfortable with Stanley slowly coming on, if this clause is correct.

[Dr Spaceman]

The most ridiculous and infuriating part of this issue is the money that Kosi and Gram are supposedly on (500K and 400K respectively). Neither are worth this type of money. On top of this, they apparently have this clause to allow them to automatically sign on for another season.

Some people bemoan the possibility we may decide to keep paying Kosi beyond 2012.

Some people bemoan the fact that in recent times we have let great clubmen go (eg X, Goose)

I trust no one in the first group of bemoaners is also in the second (and vice versa)

[defacto]

kosi is absolutely needed if blakey retires. we need a backup ruckman in case mcevoy goes down injured. pay is the only problem.

gram on the other isnt needed. have plenty to cover his loss.

[Solar]

So wait, the media say kosi is coming out of contract and has a clause that allows him to get another year at the inflated contract. Yet kosi actually signs earlier this year for less. hmmmm perhaps we are all guessing, just putting that out there.

[SainterK]

So wait, the media say kosi is coming out of contract and has a clause that allows him to get another year at the inflated contract. Yet kosi actually signs earlier this year for less. hmmmm perhaps we are all guessing, just putting that out there.

Signed in 2010 for two years for what they believed to be less Solar, however the context of your post is correct, it appears mostly guesswork IMO.

[Richter]

I really am bemused by the angst in this thread.... a few reasons NOT to worry

- whenever there is increased discussion about Travis Cloke, stories appear in the Hun about the supposed problems other clubs are having with their cap.... put 2 and 2 together people...

- the author of the article didn't even get his facts right - Ben Mc is already signed up for another few years

- last year when we were in supposed strife we lost Tommy Walsh, Tom Lynch and Zac Dawson... none crucial... Zac at best a B grade player who has been covered by Simpkin

- Veterans' list changes - this year I estimate that we have $550k counted under Veteran's (half of Lenny and Kosi's salaries which i estimate at $600k and $500k respectively); next year, if no-one retires then we would have 8 players eligible (Lenny, JB, Kosi, Roo, Milne, Dal, Joey, BJ) which = $800k i.e. we will get somwhere between $200-300k extra to play with just from this source alone

- Further changes at the end of 2013 - A further up to 3 players can go onto Vet's list - Gram, Clarke (if retained at all), Fisher
................................................... - Roo comes out of contract and will likely be on much reduced $$ - perhaps $300-400k less than at present

- Release valve - whilst I would not necessarily like any of these players to go at the end of the year, we have cover for their positions and rather than losing one of our elite players it might be better to let one or two go.... one of Schneider/Milne; one of Dempster/Clarke/Gilbert/Gwilt; one of Polo/Jones

- We have most of our young up and coming stars signed up through to the end of 2013 - Armo, Steven, McE, Simpkin, Saad, Milera - all have signed new contracts within the last 12 months that you would imagine would take them to the end of 2013 at the least. One big player we do need to re-sign is Rhys Stanley, who is the priority IMO even ahead of BJ and Joey - I don't know how settled Rhys is in Victoria, but he's an SA boy and would surely be a target for either of the Adelaide clubs - the Crows would look particuarly enticing for him I would imagine if Tippett goes to the Gold Coast - who themselves could make a play for Stanley

[Dan Warna]

We all know Freo's cap mismanagement.
The fabian francis incident, they were about a million bucks over. Worse than Melbourne.
The AFL solution? screw FF over and appoint an administrator.
What carlton and melbourne did by cheating, freo did by stupidity.

[andrewg]

BJ has an offer from GWS only at this stage.
He is more than likely going to stay but has said he has a decision to make as the $ are big from gws.

[andrewg]

Also in terms of lIst management Chris Pelchen is one if the best so everyone should rest easy.

[ShanghaiSaint]

The most ridiculous and infuriating part of this issue is the money that Kosi and Gram are supposedly on (500K and 400K respectively). Neither are worth this type of money. On top of this, they apparently have this clause to allow them to automatically sign on for another season.

If we have to lose a top player, and it's looking likely, then I'd hope that it is Montagna.

don't agree about Kosi, he's worth every penny at the moment.

[defacto]

BJ has an offer from GWS only at this stage.
He is more than likely going to stay but has said he has a decision to make as the $ are big from gws.

source?

[awesome_days]

Why are we all so quick to bemoan the players we may lose ue to free agency. The flipside is, if we lose said players, the ability to sign classy players under free agency.

One thing NRL has taught us, is with unlimited free agency you can rebound very quickly with good salary cap management and ability to sign star players.