Sainter K and Geary

[Con Gorozidis]

So people - it looks like the wise Sainter K may have done it again by nominating Geary as the seasons big improver.

This is a valuable lesson - the lesson is if you think a player has talent - you need to keep the faith and hang in with younger players. Many players take 50 games and until they are 22-23 to really make the standard (e.g Gwilt, Geary, Goddard, Montagna, Milne etc).

So we just need to get games into ledger/cripps/stanley/simpkn/siposs/milera asap.

[gringo]

We can't really afford to be losing every week either. We can really only carry about 4 youngsters every week. Milera looks ready made at least.

[defacto]

sainter k sure is on the money. geary looks like a peake. pace to burn, absolute road runner. one of the few highlights today.

[Con Gorozidis]

We can't really afford to be losing every week either. We can really only carry about 4 youngsters every week. Milera looks ready made at least.

why cant we afford to lose every week?
we mght only win 6 games this year.
we might as well finish bottom.
no point finishing 12th which is where we aould end up playing mature players.

[Sainternist]

Very impressed with Geary's game.

[saintspremiers]

We can't really afford to be losing every week either. We can really only carry about 4 youngsters every week. Milera looks ready made at least.

why cant we afford to lose every week?
we mght only win 6 games this year.
we might as well finish bottom.
no point finishing 12th which is where we aould end up playing mature players.

And with our super-fickle membership base that would mean 25,000 members next season.

[saint66au]

Did I mss something. Thought Geary was average at best. Finds the footy a lot but continually makes bad decisions and is poor by foot. Like Jones, dont think the opposition are gonna stress overly when he has the ball.

[gringo]

We can't really afford to be losing every week either. We can really only carry about 4 youngsters every week. Milera looks ready made at least.

why cant we afford to lose every week?
we mght only win 6 games this year.
we might as well finish bottom.
no point finishing 12th which is where we aould end up playing mature players.

I'd say they will see where we are at in a longer period of time - call it after we have gauged where we are at over a number of weeks not after 1 loss

[battye]

Did I mss something. Thought Geary was average at best. Finds the footy a lot but continually makes bad decisions and is poor by foot. Like Jones, dont think the opposition are gonna stress overly when he has the ball.

I agree. Geary needs to be twice as good as he currently is to get to the level of say, Dempster, let alone Gwilt.

[White Winmar]

I love Geary's dedication, run and courage. He has done well to play 50 games, but he is never going to be more than a GOP. His decision making and disposal are simply not good enough and are unlikely to improve. I wish it wasn't so, but if he's in our best 22, we're in trouble.

[8856brother]

Laughable. He cost us the first 2 goals tonight. If he is a shoe in every week, we are back to the eighties. Lots of players with pace and heart, but little skill.

[saintsRrising]

Geary cannot kick, and his decision making at times is ordinary.

He does win the ball well and has done so for many games...but seems to be making no progress on his weaknesses.

Personally I am hoping that Milera, Saad, Ledger, Cripps, Siposs....can over the year step up and squeeze out players like Geary , Armo, Peake.

If we cannot develop better ball movement we are toast....as other clubs have stepped up on this and in 2012 turnovers are punished quickly and severely.

Lyon's zone for a while masked our deficiencies in this regard, but all clubs have now mastered the zone and press themselves.

[saintsRrising]

Did I mss something. Thought Geary was average at best. Finds the footy a lot but continually makes bad decisions and is poor by foot. Like Jones, dont think the opposition are gonna stress overly when he has the ball.

That is how I see it too...

[plugger66]

My god if we hanging on to what people say here e are in real trouble.

[gringo]

We were second to the ball all night. Geary under pressure coughed it up but nothing like Mac Evoy or even Jack. He goes in hard and causes turn overs, yeah has deficiencies but at least he was in at the coal face making things happen. Of all the poor players tonight Gears didn't let them down. Guys like Peake who got to the ball second and then didn't make a contest were the real problem.

[saber]

It's a big call to write off Sainter K predictions so early in the season...hell we've just finished round 1.

I do agree that while Geary has heart, speed and endeavour, he lacks the foot skills to round out his game.

I often wonder if their is a kicking coach at St Kilda, especially since the same old brigade (Jones, Gilbert ect ect) continually make mistakes by foot...

If not, I'd offer one of the Jarman boys a job!

[stkfc1]

Did I mss something. Thought Geary was average at best. Finds the footy a lot but continually makes bad decisions and is poor by foot. Like Jones, dont think the opposition are gonna stress overly when he has the ball.

That is how I see it too...

J Geary
Diss. K H DE
23 14 9 83%

Best rated defender on the day, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

[dragit]

Did I mss something. Thought Geary was average at best. Finds the footy a lot but continually makes bad decisions and is poor by foot. Like Jones, dont think the opposition are gonna stress overly when he has the ball.

That is how I see it too...

J Geary
Diss. K H DE
23 14 9 83%

Best rated defender on the day, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

Exactly, can't see how you could say he butchered the ball with 83% efficiency, our third highest, while racking up 23 from a back pocket, give him a break, farout…

[saintsRrising]

Did I mss something. Thought Geary was average at best. Finds the footy a lot but continually makes bad decisions and is poor by foot. Like Jones, dont think the opposition are gonna stress overly when he has the ball.

That is how I see it too...

J Geary
Diss. K H DE
23 14 9 83%

Best rated defender on the day, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

And don't let the fact that backman often rack up high DE scores because of the easy chips shots they do back and forth get in the way of your blind use of stats......

And as to be best rated defender on the day...Blake got 87%

Did your startling analysis also pick up that Polo got 81% just behind Geary's 83 %?????????


If you are going to rely on stats...at least put a bit of thought into it.


If you think any of these three helped to really cut the lines or set up damaging plays with their footskills then I suggest you watch the tape again.

[Old Mate]

I liked Geary's game and I bet SW did as well. He made a couple of mistakes however through his body into every contest. I'd be very surprised if he was dropped. I had him as one of our best.

[dragit]

If you are going to rely on stats...at least put a bit of thought into it.
If you think any of these three helped to really cut the lines or set up damaging plays with their footskills then I suggest you watch the tape again.

you're right, we should drop him and bring in Andrew mcLoad next week...
With all the talk about how great cripps is going to be, at this stage Geary is well and truly holding his spot, having less touches than only Goddard & dal ffs.
There were about 15 worse than Geary.

[Freebird]

My god if we hanging on to what people say here e are in real trouble.

So plug on one hand you say we are going to be down the bottom for a few years than you say if we oust our average players for promising youngsters it is laughable....

FFS stop just knocking everyone for having an opinion against the establishment