David King says we're stuffed...

[Thinline]

Like Geelong did all last year and Essendon did early last year. Sounds like an excuse to me. We arent changing our game plan to much. They need to be ready to go round one especially with our draw.

Inclined to agree.

Got 5 good shots early.

Go hard and you never know what might happen...

[skfc17]

KING WROTE OFF GEELONG LAST YEAR. WHAT MAKES HIM AN EXPERT BECAUSE HE PLAYED IN A FEW GF'S

[dragit]

KING WROTE OFF GEELONG LAST YEAR. WHAT MAKES HIM AN EXPERT BECAUSE HE PLAYED IN A FEW GF'S

So did rob eddy...

[philtee]

This amuses me - a video from a Cats fan making D. King look like the back end of a duck -

[saintly]

I went to the praccy game vs pies , and I must admit, it left me with a feeling of dread re backline. I don't expect as much now and I hope I'm wrong . Lyon could coach and I believe went super defensive to cover our deficiencies , however it eventually swallowed the team and the ability to score at all . Like others on here have said , the backline might become more exposed every now and then , but scoring more at the other end , hopefully evens it out. And make for more enjoyable footy.

well, thats great, he coached for the here and now and didn't develop any future backmen?? is that what you are saying?

[samuraisaint]

I went to the praccy game vs pies , and I must admit, it left me with a feeling of dread re backline. I don't expect as much now and I hope I'm wrong . Lyon could coach and I believe went super defensive to cover our deficiencies , however it eventually swallowed the team and the ability to score at all . Like others on here have said , the backline might become more exposed every now and then , but scoring more at the other end , hopefully evens it out. And make for more enjoyable footy.

well, thats great, he coached for the here and now and didn't develop any future backmen?? is that what you are saying?

Let's not rewrite history guys. When Lyon first took over from Thomas he had a wonderful attacking team at his disposal who could kick 32 goals on a small ground and 27 or 28 on a large one. Lyon changed our game plan to one he believed could bring us a premiership. And let's be honest, he went as close as humanly possible on more than one occasion.

He didn't cover our deficiencies, he completely changed the games of the players we had back then.

Sippa, Crippsy, Ledger, and McEvoy, time to step on up.

[ace]

Sam Fisher will be disappointed to hear we have no KP backs.

Sam Fisher is such a great half back flanker he is substituted for a centre half back. He is not a KP back. He is nowhere near tall enough.

[plugger66]

Sam Fisher will be disappointed to hear we have no KP backs.

Sam Fisher is such a great half back flanker he is substituted for a centre half back. He is not a KP back. He is nowhere near tall enough.

Of course he is KPP. He is certainly tall enough and strong enough to play as a KP player but he is better for our side as a player who gets on his own. Dont expect that as much this year though as we will usually have 6 forwards IMO.

[SainterK]

Of course he is KPP. He is certainly tall enough and strong enough to play as a KP player but he is better for our side as a player who gets on his own. Dont expect that as much this year though as we will usually have 6 forwards IMO.

Thanks, hadn't thought of that

[plugger66]

Of course he is KPP. He is certainly tall enough and strong enough to play as a KP player but he is better for our side as a player who gets on his own. Dont expect that as much this year though as we will usually have 6 forwards IMO.

Thanks, hadn't thought of that

Well RL usually only had 5 so he could get Fisher free but I dont think Watters will do that.

[sunsaint]

Like Geelong did all last year and Essendon did early last year. Sounds like an excuse to me. We arent changing our game plan to much. They need to be ready to go round one especially with our draw.

Im only getting on the plugger merry-go-round for one rotation so here goes.
either you didnt read what was said or you misunderstood.
...the decline started before Watters arrived...
...IF we dont change the way we play we are in for a world of hurt, as it has not proved ultimately successful in the past, ...
...it took time for Lyon to mould the saints...
the comparison of StKilda with Geelong is invalid as we have not achieved anywhere near their success before AND after a coach change
the comparison with essendon is just plain strange as they have not acheived anywhere near our success

[SaintPav]

Of course he is KPP. He is certainly tall enough and strong enough to play as a KP player but he is better for our side as a player who gets on his own. Dont expect that as much this year though as we will usually have 6 forwards IMO.

Thanks, hadn't thought of that

Well RL usually only had 5 so he could get Fisher free but I dont think Watters will do that.

those were the days...whenever Lyon was able to get Fisher free we would usually win..

[BigMart]

Ross had 5 Fwds......roo, Milne, Kosi, schnieder????


Oh
That's right, the fwd whose job it was to not get a kick.....

[Warwick]

FB Wilkes
CFB Koschitzke

Looks pretty solid to me..

Throw in Goddard and Fisher x2 All Australian HB's
With Gilbert and Gram/Gwilt when available
imo we r looking good

[magnifisaint]

Stuff David King

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[clarky449]

FB Wilkes
CFB Koschitzke

Looks pretty solid to me..

Throw in Goddard and Fisher x2 All Australian HB's
With Gilbert and Gram/Gwilt when available
imo we r looking good

So you think. But it would get killed playing against AFL teams. Kosi is too slow for defence. No way near agile enough. Mistake.

[Jaz]

FB Wilkes
CFB Koschitzke

Looks pretty solid to me..

Throw in Goddard and Fisher x2 All Australian HB's
With Gilbert and Gram/Gwilt when available
imo we r looking good

So you think. But it would get killed playing against AFL teams. Kosi is too slow for defence. No way near agile enough. Mistake.

Some of Kosi's best footy was in defence for us. If you have Fisher "filling the hole" to mark a leading forward you can have kosi deep handling the one on one contests.

Also having is big long kick out of defence to break the press would be invaluable.

[SaintPav]

FB Wilkes
CFB Koschitzke

Looks pretty solid to me..

Throw in Goddard and Fisher x2 All Australian HB's
With Gilbert and Gram/Gwilt when available
imo we r looking good

So you think. But it would get killed playing against AFL teams. Kosi is too slow for defence. No way near agile enough. Mistake.

Some of Kosi's best footy was in defence for us. If you have Fisher "filling the hole" to mark a leading forward you can have kosi deep handling the one on one contests.

Also having is big long kick out of defence to break the press would be invaluable.

Watters has said that he won't be reinventing Kosi. It's probably becuase he's not suited to the role that you have suggested.

[plugger66]

Like Geelong did all last year and Essendon did early last year. Sounds like an excuse to me. We arent changing our game plan to much. They need to be ready to go round one especially with our draw.

Im only getting on the plugger merry-go-round for one rotation so here goes.
either you didnt read what was said or you misunderstood.
...the decline started before Watters arrived...
...IF we dont change the way we play we are in for a world of hurt, as it has not proved ultimately successful in the past, ...
...it took time for Lyon to mould the saints...
the comparison of StKilda with Geelong is invalid as we have not achieved anywhere near their success before AND after a coach change
the comparison with essendon is just plain strange as they have not acheived anywhere near our success

Geelong still changed their game plan last year and were successful from the start. The point about Essendon last year is they changed their game plan and their best footy was early. Sorry but I dont suscribe to minor changes of the game plan as reasons to struggle early. We also cant afford to struggle early as we have a soft draw early. I stand by what I said that is is an excuse just like people say missing the practice game was an excuse. Didnt seem to effect Essendon who also missed a game. At least we had an intraclub game. If we lose round one it will due to other reasons than just a change in game plans.

[Team Tommy]

On SEN this morning King said Saints fans will be livid with what Lyon has left behind by about Rd 4. Says we have no KP backs (some truth in that) and the overall list is in a bad way. Watson said he was amazed watching Tom Lynch the other night and how we let him go??

Gonna be a very interesting year ...

I'm livid already.Lyon has done us no favours. Both Tommys will be sorely missed.

[skeptic]

Ross had 5 Fwds......roo, Milne, Kosi, schnieder????


Oh
That's right, the fwd whose job it was to not get a kick.....

[Team Tommy]

This amuses me - a video from a Cats fan making D. King look like the back end of a duck -

Loved it, and Robbo is right.

[Saints Angel]

[color=#000000][/color][quote="SaintPav"]So has SEN picked up all the 3AW hacks like King, Walls has it? At least Roham Connolly has a brain.[/quote]


They must be working for peanuts. Appauling to think if you listen to this radio station you have to put up with these guys. Thankfull I will be at the games and won't have to submit to St. Kilda games on this station with these bufoons.

[skfc17]

even though we got beaten against the eagles. some of kosi's marks from kick out and kicks through the centre were quite effective

[Cairnsman]

I'm just curious. Does anyone know what changes were made to Geelongs game plan last year that differed from Thomsons game plan?