Ross Lyon on The Couch this Monday

[asiu]

.when he was the coach , he was our coach.
.now he's gone , thats good too.

... i think u need another option

[whiskers3614]

No doubt and while he was coach I was slightly more diplomatic in my dislike of him , but now.........

[Old Mate]

If you're not with us you're against us. AGAINST.

[SaintPav]

GT was better.

now that takes the cake..

[SainterK]

So much 'you have to think how I think' on here, ease up

[KingSaint]

I actually didn't mind Ross as coach...IMO he bought a new level of professionalism to the playing group and was a lucky bounce or two away from being a 2 time premiership coach...in which case he would have achieved immortality among the Saints faithful.

It seems to me that he left us because Freo made a financial offer he couldn't refuse and it was the best interest of his family to take that offer...as a family man myself, I have no problems with that...disappointing though it may have been.

I will remember his time at St Kilda with a great deal of fondness...particularly in 2009.

However, he has gone and I now look forward to a new era under Scott Watters,,,who can hopefully take us that one step further.

[gringo]

So much 'you have to think how I think' on here, ease up

After my last comments on the matter i'm glad more don't think like me.

[Con Gorozidis]

family man. ffs. so having a kid gets you a free ticket on the ethical highway?

[kosifantutti]

family man. ffs. so having a kid gets you a free ticket on the ethical highway?

So it's unethical to change jobs. I think everyone in my work place is unethical.

[SaintPav]

family man. ffs. so having a kid gets you a free ticket on the ethical highway?

no, but you mentioned his sister and said he was a top bloke..

[skeptic]

Saint Pav,

do you think Lyon's win/loss ratio is an accurate reflection of his coaching ability factoring in that he never had to rebuild the list. Yes or no?

yeah.

fair enough and thanks for your honesty

personally I find that thinking simply astounding

[skeptic]

plenty of players fall through the net and come back later

Not really, not in comparison to the amount that get drafted, delisted and never play an AFL match…

I would like to see the % of players that get delisted and then go on to have a meaningful football career (say 50 games), it would be very low. Of course there are exceptions, though I can't think of any real stars to have done so.

Hi dragit,

let me try this another way.

before he cemented his spot in the team, Gwilt was hardly dominating the VFL. He never has even though at that point he'd been on an AFL list for about 5 seasons.

What happened was that after being fed games based on the up and downs on his career, he was given a shot, played a few decent games and then built on that form growing in confidence AND playing with the same players week in week out, he found his spot in the team.

At what point did McEvoy dominate the VFL?
Dal Santo and Montagna improved in the VFL and had some good games but certainly never dominated
Neither did Roo, Goddard, or S.Fisher

When Dal or Gehrig were dropped... they didn't rip the VFL apart

The simple fact is that very few developing players actually consistently dominate that level. It's not a substandard competition. Either freaks like Judd, Selwood etc burst out of the blocks like that or our own Stephen Milne is the other obvious exception to that rule... always looks a class above the VFL and usually responded to being dropped by kicking 5-8 goals.

You need to let players find their feet in the AFL.

When a player like Will Johnson plays as a leading forward, contests, hits packs, kicks odd goals here and there and the seniors need a KP forward... you give him a shot... a taste of the big time and after 2-3 games if his form doesn't warrant continued selection... drop him with a focus of him working on key areas.. That's how players improve.

We're terrible at it and have been for ages. Go back through the list of flawed players we've delisted over the last 8+ years and so many of them really looked like they could make it at one time or another... we never played them and then cut them