Zac to the rescue

[Dr Spaceman]

Did I like Lyon when he was coaching us? Absolutely.

Do I like Lyon now he's coaching Freo? Absolutely not.

So sue me

[clarky449]

"...but at the end of the day you act your way in, act your way out."

same old s*** coming out of Lyon

Yep the stuff nearly everyone said was great for the last 5 years.

yeah...great stuff...didn't win us anything as i look back at the Lyin era

the doctor of spin....

Lyon...the Fremantle Doctor...

Brought a level of profesionalism to the club that was lacking. Brought a hard edge to our players and almost got us the Premiership. A wonderful coach who will be missed. Also Who is "Lyin". Honestly are you 5?

[gringo]

Ross was a good fit and as unlucky not to be a premiership coach as he was with his investments. He had his time and it seems like it worked for every one. He is inheriting a very good list and the only thing that stopped them last year was an unbelievable injury list. It looked like the East Fremantle WAFL team at times. If he has a good run with getting players on he park he will just have to sit back and watch.

Zac also is a decent player who gets castrated compared with some non performers in less visible roles, he served us well and I hope he has a terrible career at Freo. I think he suffers from a form of racism which stems from the fact that he has ginger hair. Most non freaks find red heads the last bastion for their latent bigotry. Just try to tell me you don't hate Ling more than Bartell. See.

[magnifisaint]

Yep that was the only reason he played well in finals.

no one knows if it was Zac who made our defence or our defence who made Zac .. He had a good finals with us and on the whole he gave us good service in his time at the saints but the past is the past and so far Zac hasn't shown anything at freo as yet to suggest he is going to be a big help for them ... I'm no expert but it kinda reminded me of when Trent Croad was a docker decent enough player but not really giving his all for the team ... But it's still very early time will tell

You've got to be kidding?

[Dave McNamara]

Zac also is a decent player who gets castrated... See.

Ouch! Treated like that, no wonder he left the club. Painful.

[The Redeemer]

Yeah they haven't had the best preseason.

Ross is still talking finals though.

"It's really simple - premierships and finals appearances are created over summer. And you've got to do the work to give yourself the best chance,'' Lyon said.

Im impartial to Ross and am interested to see how he goes at Fremantle however what in gods green earth would he know about premierships?

He conducts himself like an elder scholar of the game with multiple flags as a player and coach and been involved in several rebuilds and high-profile poachings.

Just bizarre.

[Little Dozer]

People are really still talking about Zac 'Spud' Dawson? He has the football brain of an infant, the skill of a child and the strength of a teenager. The results of this clown at the Shockers will be hilarious...Not long to wait now...

[plugger66]

People are really still talking about Zac 'Spud' Dawson? He has the football brain of an infant, the skill of a child and the strength of a teenager. The results of this clown at the Shockers will be hilarious...Not long to wait now...

I suppose if the cap fits.

[Dr Spaceman]

People are really still talking about Zac 'Spud' Dawson? He has the football brain of an infant, the skill of a child and the strength of a teenager. The results of this clown at the Shockers will be hilarious...Not long to wait now...

I suppose if the cap fits.

Thought Zac went because he didn't fit the cap

[SaintPav]

Did I like Lyon when he was coaching us? Absolutely.

Do I like Lyon now he's coaching Freo? Absolutely not.

So sue me

Got your subpoena yet?

[SainterK]

Yeah they haven't had the best preseason.

Ross is still talking finals though.

"It's really simple - premierships and finals appearances are created over summer. And you've got to do the work to give yourself the best chance,'' Lyon said.

Im impartial to Ross and am interested to see how he goes at Fremantle however what in gods green earth would he know about premierships?

He conducts himself like an elder scholar of the game with multiple flags as a player and coach and been involved in several rebuilds and high-profile poachings.

Just bizarre.

That there, is a point well made.

[plugger66]

Yeah they haven't had the best preseason.

Ross is still talking finals though.

"It's really simple - premierships and finals appearances are created over summer. And you've got to do the work to give yourself the best chance,'' Lyon said.

Im impartial to Ross and am interested to see how he goes at Fremantle however what in gods green earth would he know about premierships?

He conducts himself like an elder scholar of the game with multiple flags as a player and coach and been involved in several rebuilds and high-profile poachings.

Just bizarre.

That there, is a point well made.

I reckon he sounds the same as last year when most people here thought he was great.

[SainterK]

Probably better to compare his speak now to 2007, I can't remember if he was talking about how premierships are won back then tbh.

[plugger66]

Probably better to compare his speak now to 2007, I can't remember if he was talking about how premierships are won back then tbh.

Well it would be if it was his first year coaching but it is now his 6th.

[Bernard Shakey]

no one knows if it was Zac who made our defence or our defence who made Zac

Over the three years Zac was here, no team allowed less points than us. I think you'd be crazy to give him all of the credit, but you'd be equally crazy to give him none. He fit the system well and he's walking into the exact same system. The only players I remember kicking four or more goals on him were Cloke, Frankin, Petrie and Jack Riewoldt. It's not like they beat him every time either and those are some quality forwards.

Why does everyone talk about the fact that he didn't have many bags kicked against him. The fact is that footy is a team sport and he leaked many goals to his teammates opponents because they had to try to account for Zac's many errors. He is and has always been a dud.

Beau Wilkes at least has a physical presence, something Zac has never had.

[desertsaint]

Did I like Lyon when he was coaching us? Absolutely.

Do I like Lyon now he's coaching Freo? Absolutely not.

So sue me

I'm the exact opposite.

[gringo]

no one knows if it was Zac who made our defence or our defence who made Zac

Over the three years Zac was here, no team allowed less points than us. I think you'd be crazy to give him all of the credit, but you'd be equally crazy to give him none. He fit the system well and he's walking into the exact same system. The only players I remember kicking four or more goals on him were Cloke, Frankin, Petrie and Jack Riewoldt. It's not like they beat him every time either and those are some quality forwards.

Why does everyone talk about the fact that he didn't have many bags kicked against him. The fact is that footy is a team sport and he leaked many goals to his teammates opponents because they had to try to account for Zac's many errors. He is and has always been a dud.

Beau Wilkes at least has a physical presence, something Zac has never had.

Because we've seen so much of how Beau uses his strength to compete. I'm hoping we get a gun and Dawson is a flop but it's a little early to call it.

[Dr Spaceman]

The issue is not whether or not Zac is a great full back.

It's not whether he's as good as, or better than, Scarlett or Glass.

It's not whether he's as good as, or better than, Frawley, Howell or Murray.

It's simply a matter of whether he's better than whoever plays full back for us this year and beyond.

And the fact is we just don't know - though we shortly will.

[Wrote for Luck]

to say Zac was held-up by our other defenders is a little insulting to everyone at the club - most likely fact is that Zac did his job and did what he was told

[SaintPav]

Zac had his good points. Zac had his bad points. To say he was a complete dud isn't how I remember him at all becuase he played his role quite well most of the time and most times held his opponent.

Having said that, bagging him now is fairly normal. Most supporters of all teams bag former players and it comes with the territory. It's just a bit of fun.

[Old Mate]

Too true Pav. Its all fun and the majority of us are one-eyed and biased Saints supporters - on a Saints fan forum. We shouldn't be constantly challenged by our own for hating the opossition teams and players and players that left the mighty Saints for another club. Stuff Ross and Zac. And luke Ball as well!

[SaintPav]

Too true Pav. Its all fun and the majority of us are one-eyed and biased Saints supporters - on a Saints fan forum. We shouldn't be constantly challenged by our own for hating the opossition teams and players and players that left the mighty Saints for another club. Stuff Ross and Zac. And luke Ball as well!

+1.

[Bernard Shakey]

Zac had his good points. Zac had his bad points. To say he was a complete dud isn't how I remember him at all becuase he played his role quite well most of the time and most times held his opponent.

Having said that, bagging him now is fairly normal. Most supporters of all teams bag former players and it comes with the territory. It's just a bit of fun.

I've been bagging him since he played for Hawthorn. He's the most overrated player in the comp.

[plugger66]

Zac had his good points. Zac had his bad points. To say he was a complete dud isn't how I remember him at all becuase he played his role quite well most of the time and most times held his opponent.

Having said that, bagging him now is fairly normal. Most supporters of all teams bag former players and it comes with the territory. It's just a bit of fun.

I've been bagging him since he played for Hawthorn. He's the most overrated player in the comp.

What about Kosi. Love people bagging our own regulars.

[The Redeemer]

Zac had his good points. Zac had his bad points. To say he was a complete dud isn't how I remember him at all becuase he played his role quite well most of the time and most times held his opponent.

Having said that, bagging him now is fairly normal. Most supporters of all teams bag former players and it comes with the territory. It's just a bit of fun.

I've been bagging him since he played for Hawthorn. He's the most overrated player in the comp.

Amen.

It is similar to Jonathan Brown's three flags early in his career. A 90 year old grandmother could have played in that forward line and kicked goals yet he is paraded and discussed as a modern marvel/legend/sniper.

Zac should get help from McPharlin, Silvagni and Grover however the quality of the latter two are debatable...