Membership Packs - That full stop?

[GrumpyOne]

I notice that all the new stuff have logos announcing ourselves as St.K.F.C.

The proper name of our club is St Kilda Football club. There is no full stop after the T as Kilda is not a Saint's name. Michael Nettlefold signs as CEO of St Kilda Football Club.

Shouldn't the logo read StK.F.C. ?

[HSVKing]

Shouldn't the logo read StK.F.C. ?

Nope.

The way it has always been.

[GrumpyOne]

Shouldn't the logo read StK.F.C. ?

Nope.

The way it has always been.

Agreed, but technically it's wrong.

[ttufc7]

YAWN............When does the footy start?!

[HSVKing]

Agreed, but technically it's wrong.

It is, as the St is not an abbreviation it does not require it.

Origin of names

No saint is known by the name of Kilda, and various theories have been proposed for the word's origin, which dates from the late 16th century. Haswell-Smith (2004) notes that the full name St Kilda first appears on a Dutch map dated 1666, and that it may have been derived from Norse sunt kelda ("sweet wellwater") or from a mistaken Dutch assumption that the spring Tobar Childa was dedicated to a saint. (Tobar Childa is a tautological placename, consisting of the Gaelic and Norse words for well, i.e., "well well"). Martin Martin, who visited in 1697, believed that the name "is taken from one Kilder, who lived here; and from him the large well Toubir-Kilda has also its name".
1580 Carte of Scotlande showing Hyrth (i.e. Hirta) at left and Skaldar (Haskeir) to the north east

Maclean (1972) similarly suggests it may come from a corruption of the Old Norse name for the spring on Hirta, Childa, and states that a 1588 map identifies the archipelago as Kilda. He also speculates that it may refer to the Culdees, anchorites who may have brought Christianity to the island, or be a corruption of the Gaelic name for the main island of the group, since the islanders tended to pronounce r as l, and thus habitually referred to the island as Hilta. Steel (1988) adds weight to the idea, noting that the islanders pronounced the H with a "somewhat guttural quality", making the sound they used for Hirta "almost" Kilta. Similary, St Kilda speakers interviewed by the School of Scottish Studies in the 1960s show individual speakers using t-initial forms, leniting to /h/, e.g. ann an t-Hirte ([an̪ˠən̪ˠ 'tʰʲrˠt̪ə]) and gu Hirte ([kə 'hirˠʃt̪ə]).

Maclean (1972) further suggests that the Dutch may have simply made a cartographical error, and confused Hirta with Skildar, the old name for Haskeir island much nearer the main Outer Hebrides archipelago. Quine (2000) hypothesises that the name is derived from a series of cartographical errors, starting with the use of the Old Icelandic Skildir ("shields") and appearing as Skildar on a map by Nicholas de Nicolay (1583). This, so the hypothesis goes, was transcribed in error by Lucas J. Waghenaer in his 1592 charts without the trailing r and with a period after the S, creating S.Kilda. This was in turn assumed to stand for a saint by others, creating the form that has been used for several centuries, St Kilda.

The origin of Hirta, which long pre-dates St Kilda, is similarly open to interpretation. Martin (1703) avers that "Hirta is taken from the Irish Ier, which in that language signifies west". Maclean offers several options, including an (unspecified) Celtic word meaning "gloom" or "death", or the Scots Gaelic h-Iar-Tìr ("westland"). Drawing on an Icelandic saga describing an early 13th-century voyage to Ireland that mentions a visit to the islands of Hirtir, he speculates that the shape of Hirta resembles a stag, Hirtir ("stags" in Norse). Steel (1998) quotes the view of Reverend Neil Mackenzie, who lived there from 1829 to 1844, that the name is derived from the Gaelic Ì Àrd ("high island"), and a further possibility that it is from the Norse Hirt ("shepherd"). In a similar vein, Murray (1966) speculates that the Norse Hirðö, pronounced 'Hirtha' ("herd island"), may be the origin. All the names of and on the islands are fully discussed by Coates (1990).

[Dr Spaceman]

S.A.C.K. T.H.E. B.O.A.R.D.!!!

[GrumpyOne]

YAWN............When does the footy start?!

Another month of this to go, mate.

[matrix]

yeah
we havent even started with the really really good threads yet

[GrumpyOne]

Agreed, but technically it's wrong.

It is, as the St is not an abbreviation it does not require it.

Origin of names

No saint is known by the name of Kilda, and various theories have been proposed for the word's origin, which dates from the late 16th century. Haswell-Smith (2004) notes that the full name St Kilda first appears on a Dutch map dated 1666, and that it may have been derived from Norse sunt kelda ("sweet wellwater") or from a mistaken Dutch assumption that the spring Tobar Childa was dedicated to a saint. (Tobar Childa is a tautological placename, consisting of the Gaelic and Norse words for well, i.e., "well well"). Martin Martin, who visited in 1697, believed that the name "is taken from one Kilder, who lived here; and from him the large well Toubir-Kilda has also its name".
1580 Carte of Scotlande showing Hyrth (i.e. Hirta) at left and Skaldar (Haskeir) to the north east

Maclean (1972) similarly suggests it may come from a corruption of the Old Norse name for the spring on Hirta, Childa, and states that a 1588 map identifies the archipelago as Kilda. He also speculates that it may refer to the Culdees, anchorites who may have brought Christianity to the island, or be a corruption of the Gaelic name for the main island of the group, since the islanders tended to pronounce r as l, and thus habitually referred to the island as Hilta. Steel (1988) adds weight to the idea, noting that the islanders pronounced the H with a "somewhat guttural quality", making the sound they used for Hirta "almost" Kilta. Similary, St Kilda speakers interviewed by the School of Scottish Studies in the 1960s show individual speakers using t-initial forms, leniting to /h/, e.g. ann an t-Hirte ([an̪ˠən̪ˠ 'tʰʲrˠt̪ə]) and gu Hirte ([kə 'hirˠʃt̪ə]).

Maclean (1972) further suggests that the Dutch may have simply made a cartographical error, and confused Hirta with Skildar, the old name for Haskeir island much nearer the main Outer Hebrides archipelago. Quine (2000) hypothesises that the name is derived from a series of cartographical errors, starting with the use of the Old Icelandic Skildir ("shields") and appearing as Skildar on a map by Nicholas de Nicolay (1583). This, so the hypothesis goes, was transcribed in error by Lucas J. Waghenaer in his 1592 charts without the trailing r and with a period after the S, creating S.Kilda. This was in turn assumed to stand for a saint by others, creating the form that has been used for several centuries, St Kilda.

The origin of Hirta, which long pre-dates St Kilda, is similarly open to interpretation. Martin (1703) avers that "Hirta is taken from the Irish Ier, which in that language signifies west". Maclean offers several options, including an (unspecified) Celtic word meaning "gloom" or "death", or the Scots Gaelic h-Iar-Tìr ("westland"). Drawing on an Icelandic saga describing an early 13th-century voyage to Ireland that mentions a visit to the islands of Hirtir, he speculates that the shape of Hirta resembles a stag, Hirtir ("stags" in Norse). Steel (1998) quotes the view of Reverend Neil Mackenzie, who lived there from 1829 to 1844, that the name is derived from the Gaelic Ì Àrd ("high island"), and a further possibility that it is from the Norse Hirt ("shepherd"). In a similar vein, Murray (1966) speculates that the Norse Hirðö, pronounced 'Hirtha' ("herd island"), may be the origin. All the names of and on the islands are fully discussed by Coates (1990).

At least we are not named after a member of the British Aristocracy, as nearly every other club is.

[SinCitySainter]

At least we are not named after a member of the British Aristocracy, as nearly every other club is.

Like Arch Duke Western Bulldog you mean.

[bigred]

sweet wellwater

Is this our new nickname?

[GrumpyOne]

At least we are not named after a member of the British Aristocracy, as nearly every other club is.

Like Arch Duke Western Bulldog you mean.

So you've met him?

[Dr Spaceman]

At least we are not named after a member of the British Aristocracy, as nearly every other club is.

Like Arch Duke Western Bulldog you mean.

So you've met him?

Perhaps he's met Darcy Luke Western Bulldog

[Stillwaiting]

At least we are not named after a member of the British Aristocracy, as nearly every other club is.

Like Arch Duke Western Bulldog you mean.

That's gold

[saintbrat]

At least we are not named after a member of the British Aristocracy, as nearly every other club is.

Like Arch Duke Western Bulldog you mean.

So you've met him?

Perhaps he's met Darcy Luke Western Bulldog

taking over the world is the arch duke darcy
http://www.darcygroup.com.au/darcy-venues
the hotel world that is.

[kosifantutti23]

I notice that all the new stuff have logos announcing ourselves as St.K.F.C.

The proper name of our club is St Kilda Football club. There is no full stop after the T as Kilda is not a Saint's name. Michael Nettlefold signs as CEO of St Kilda Football Club.

Shouldn't the logo read StK.F.C. ?

Whether it's a Saint's name or not, it is pronounced the same way as Saint so St. is an abbreviation of some sort.

And my understanding is St Kilda the suburb is named after the boat "The Lady of St Kilda" so the etymology of the name of the island doesn't really come into it. What's more important is the name of the boat.

[HSVKing]

I notice that all the new stuff have logos announcing ourselves as St.K.F.C.

The proper name of our club is St Kilda Football club. There is no full stop after the T as Kilda is not a Saint's name. Michael Nettlefold signs as CEO of St Kilda Football Club.

Shouldn't the logo read StK.F.C. ?

Whether it's a Saint's name or not, it is pronounced the same way as Saint so St. is an abbreviation of some sort.

And my understanding is St Kilda the suburb is named after the boat "The Lady of St Kilda" so the etymology of the name of the island doesn't really come into it. What's more important is the name of the boat.

Yes, but that boat was named because of where it came from

[Dr Spaceman]

I notice that all the new stuff have logos announcing ourselves as St.K.F.C.

The proper name of our club is St Kilda Football club. There is no full stop after the T as Kilda is not a Saint's name. Michael Nettlefold signs as CEO of St Kilda Football Club.

Shouldn't the logo read StK.F.C. ?

Whether it's a Saint's name or not, it is pronounced the same way as Saint so St. is an abbreviation of some sort.

And my understanding is St Kilda the suburb is named after the boat "The Lady of St Kilda" so the etymology of the name of the island doesn't really come into it. What's more important is the name of the boat.

Yes, but that boat was named because of where it came from

Lucky for us supporters they didn't name the suburb "Lady Boat"

[HSVKing]

I notice that all the new stuff have logos announcing ourselves as St.K.F.C.

The proper name of our club is St Kilda Football club. There is no full stop after the T as Kilda is not a Saint's name. Michael Nettlefold signs as CEO of St Kilda Football Club.

Shouldn't the logo read StK.F.C. ?

Whether it's a Saint's name or not, it is pronounced the same way as Saint so St. is an abbreviation of some sort.

And my understanding is St Kilda the suburb is named after the boat "The Lady of St Kilda" so the etymology of the name of the island doesn't really come into it. What's more important is the name of the boat.

Yes, but that boat was named because of where it came from

Lucky for us supporters they didn't name the suburb "Lady Boat"

Be glad that this wasn't it's name!

[GrumpyOne]

I notice that all the new stuff have logos announcing ourselves as St.K.F.C.

The proper name of our club is St Kilda Football club. There is no full stop after the T as Kilda is not a Saint's name. Michael Nettlefold signs as CEO of St Kilda Football Club.

Shouldn't the logo read StK.F.C. ?

Whether it's a Saint's name or not, it is pronounced the same way as Saint so St. is an abbreviation of some sort.

And my understanding is St Kilda the suburb is named after the boat "The Lady of St Kilda" so the etymology of the name of the island doesn't really come into it. What's more important is the name of the boat.

Yes, but that boat was named because of where it came from

Lucky for us supporters they didn't name the suburb "Lady Boat"

Be glad that this wasn't it's name!

Or perhaps just Maude Boat.

Get it?

Oh never mind..... too early in the morning...