Cousins

[matrix]

http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/artic ... addiction/

yeah yeah i know
THAT site

misses says it was reported on the news over here tonight

not looking good for BC is it...

[StevieSaint]

I can't believe Ben Cousins moved onto heroin...he'll have to take methodone or some other drug for the rest of his life to stay off it...what a waste.

[The Redeemer]

Chatting with a friend who is family friends with Nisbett from the Weagles and the club as a community expects him dead one way or another.

Such a shame.

[saintspremiers]

Chatting with a friend who is family friends with Nisbett from the Weagles and the club as a community expects him dead one way or another.

Such a shame.

It's a bloody good effort that he's still alive.

Unfortunately he has a child who will either grow up without a dad or a useless junkie dad.

It's actually good that Cousins now junkie useless life is getting airtime.

Hopefully those idiots that thought drugs were cool and it into it due to Cousins may read about the very ugly reality.

Would love to see a doco of his past year - the ugly and getting uglier.

[skeptic]

It's actually good that Cousins now junkie useless life is getting airtime.

Hopefully those idiots that thought drugs were cool and it into it due to Cousins may read about the very ugly reality.

Unfortunetly I don't think it will make much of a difference

As for Ben, I don't claim to be an expert on his history so forgive me if I'm mistaken but if he has started injecting now... in this day and age... with all his rehab work and education...

well lets just say it's a damning indictment on where he is

[skeptic]

And wow what about Daniel Chick!!!

Drug induced psychosis... guys very likely going to be admitted involuntarily to psych if that's what's happening

[matrix]

sad huh
and people with absolutely no idea lump weed into the same category

these guys are f***ed
cousins imo will cark it soon
if he is now smaking up, or was even doing that way back then, well, the only way is down for him by the looks

sad end to a great talent

[skeptic]

if he was using heroin before... believe it not I'd be less concerned

at least that would signify that he hasn't gotten worse or plunged lower than he was before

starting heroin now, at his age, with his problems, with everything he knows about it through his rehab work not to mention just general knowledge...
well it means he's just basically started the most addictive vice of all... there's a big psychological barrier that's been crossed there

[matrix]

actually doctors have told me its harder to quit cigs cold turkey than going on the methadone programme.

i still find that hard to believe

[defacto]

if he was using heroin before... believe it not I'd be less concerned

at least that would signify that he hasn't gotten worse or plunged lower than he was before

starting heroin now, at his age, with his problems, with everything he knows about it through his rehab work not to mention just general knowledge...
well it means he's just basically started the most addictive vice of all... there's a big psychological barrier that's been crossed there

mark robinson tweet that he confessed to him that he had used heroin before.

[skeptic]

i'll disregard that then

[gringo]

I have known a few people that I went to school with and a family member battle heroin addiction. My family member came through it but it took about 10 years and is now honest and productive.

Of the guys I knew from school about half died from over doses. Some were the last guys you would have expected to be on it others looked like they were heading down hill quickly.

I got to see a fair bit of destructive behavior and would suggest Ben was on anything he could get. Most junkies don't mind what they take, one was shooting up pills that would result in septic sores on his arms but didn't stop.

Nearly all started on weed and all progressed through speed, pills anything. heroin comes easily and cheaply so they end up there.

Hope he gets help but at the end of the day he won't stop until he has become tired of the life.

At the end of the day his family will probably be doing tougher than him.

[GrumpyOne]

At the end of the day his family will probably be doing tougher than him.

That probably would be more likely a certainty.

[Sick Nal Danto]

That's really sad news.

It's hard to see anyone go through this, let alone when your a major sporting celebrity

[Thinline]

Chatting with a friend who is family friends with Nisbett from the Weagles and the club as a community expects him dead one way or another.

Such a shame.

It's a bloody good effort that he's still alive.

Unfortunately he has a child who will either grow up without a dad or a useless junkie dad.

It's actually good that Cousins now junkie useless life is getting airtime.

Hopefully those idiots that thought drugs were cool and it into it due to Cousins may read about the very ugly reality.

Would love to see a doco of his past year - the ugly and getting uglier.

'A useless junkie dad'?

WTF!??!

The bloke has a DISEASE. He's horribly, horribly sick. His disease is one of chronic re-occurence. He can't just leave it behind. He never can. he never will.

If he had lung cancer as result of smoking would you so black and white?

The bloke needs help. Then he needs help again. And again. And again.

Some my find that infuriating or too hard to compute or too inconvenient or too untidy or whatever, but it's the terrible, frustrating reality.

Folks like you who puff your chest out by insinuating that drug addicts are just lost causes are so freaking ignorant it makes me want to puke. Sadly for us all, the media is FILLED with similarly boof-headed ineptitude. Caro Wilson (in particular), Newman, Robinson - you name it at one point or another they and plenty like them have all taken the 'just get over it, Ben' line.

Ain't gonna happen. Five minutes research would establish that reality for them. Hey, but that would involve a modicum of insight and interest in truth, wouldn't it.

'Oh but he could have chosen not to smoke crack, couldn't he?' I hear you say.

Well yeah. But he didn't. And when he didn't, I suspect consequence was the farthest thing from his mind, just like when a young kid has a go at a Winnie Blue or takes a swig of grog to see what all the fuss is about.

[stkildathunda]

http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/artic ... addiction/

yeah yeah i know
THAT site

misses says it was reported on the news over here tonight

not looking good for BC is it...

A reporter over in WA disputed all those "facts" in the SportsLiesFirst story yesterday. Cant remember which paper it was but he said Chick was at work at time he was supposed to be in hospital, and also disputed the Cousins herrion stuff

[hungry for a premiership]

This is a really fascinating topic because drug culture and football rarely ever come into contact with each other and "football people" are among the least educated and most highly naive when it comes to drugs. WARNING: I feel a long post coming on....

There are players who, for example, pop ecstasy in the summer break. There IS an underground drug culture at clubs. I would actually be highly surprised if there weren't a few St.Kilda players who pop a bit of x over the summer holidays. I'm sure there are. The Dawson/Steven/Stanley NZ incident should pretty much confirm it for everyone. If they're willing to pop prescription drugs on a CLUB CAMP, then no doubt they're willing to indulge in harder narcotics when they're on holidays and completely free from club responsibilities.

Now, Ben Cousins just so happens to have the type of personality that is highly susceptible to drug addiction. We saw that drive, that motivation to do everything to its utmost, to push himself as far as he could go, on the footy field during his playing career. He's the sort of person who doesn't do things by half-measures, he "goes hard", so to speak, and it is that kind of person who is likely to push his/her body too far when trying to get higher and higher and as high as he/she possibly can.

Now, HERE IS MY POINT: Yes, it's sad, it's a sad thing to see someone basically killing themselves in front of you and being powerless to stop it and see all their potential go to waste and see their family suffer and so on. But what really, really needs to be pointed out here and especially for the benefit of "football people" is that Ben Cousins is one of the lucky junkies. As far as junkies go, Ben Cousins has got it GOOD. He's got plenty of money, he's got a strong support system who are behind him and helping him and who love him, he's got all the specialist treatment and prescription drug programs available to him. In all likelihood, Ben Cousins WON'T die anytime soon, but what will happen is he'll live a long life, a long life of taking drugs. There are heroin addicts who are 60 years old and have been addicted to heroin for 40 years and who are still living comfortably. And make no mistake, Ben Cousins will be taking drugs, prescription or otherwise, for the rest of his life, however long it may be.

SO, the people we really need to feel sorry for, the people who really deserve and actually need our sympathy and help and support, are the, for example, a female teenage junkie who has no money, no support structure, had an abusive childhood, had to abort a child, and is now living on the street. Who's there to help her when she chokes on her own vomit? And the sad fact is that it is this type of junkie who is always written off in disgust and dismissed as worthless and stupid by naive people who sit on their high horse and assume their own moral superiority.

If there is one good thing to come out of this whole Ben Cousins saga, it is that maybe, just maybe, people will come to see that drug addicts are normal human beings, some are brilliant human beings, even, some of the greatest artist who ever lived were/are drug addicts. And yes, the great Ben cousins, the all-australian, captain, premiership player, brownlow medalist, elite AFL footballing champion, he too, is and was a junkie. Junkies need to be helped, not hindered.

Now, I've got another salient point:

There is no chance in hell that a good portion of the West Coast Eagles 2005 premiership team wasn't on drugs. How many players from that team have already shown that they have drug problems? 3, 4, 5? Junkies, drug-induced psychotics, connections to bikers, the list goes on. And this is just the stuff we know about.

When the Melbourne Storm were stripped of their premiership for cheating, Demetriou came out and said, "We'd have done the same thing." Yeah, he talks tough, Demetriou, doesn't he, but there is no way he would do that. Carlton, who were categorically found to have rorted the salary cap to win the flag in '95, were not stripped of the cup but merely had sanctions put on them, which admittedly did send them to the bottom of the ladder for an extended period, but that ended up being a good thing for them as they were able to load up on high draft picks.

If Demetriou is fair-dinkum, he should launch a full-blown investigation into that 2005 WCE premiership winning team and no doubt through witnesses, maybe player testimonies etc. enough evidence of the taking of banned substances for AFL players could be gathered and then he should punish them accordingly.

[SaintPav]

Top post mate. But you know it won't happen....

This is a really fascinating topic because drug culture and football rarely ever come into contact with each other and "football people" are among the least educated and most highly naive when it comes to drugs. WARNING: I feel a long post coming on....

There are players who, for example, pop ecstasy in the summer break. There IS an underground drug culture at clubs. I would actually be highly surprised if there weren't a few St.Kilda players who pop a bit of x over the summer holidays. I'm sure there are. The Dawson/Steven/Stanley NZ incident should pretty much confirm it for everyone. If they're willing to pop prescription drugs on a CLUB CAMP, then no doubt they're willing to indulge in harder narcotics when they're on holidays and completely free from club responsibilities.

Now, Ben Cousins just so happens to have the type of personality that is highly susceptible to drug addiction. We saw that drive, that motivation to do everything to its utmost, to push himself as far as he could go, on the footy field during his playing career. He's the sort of person who doesn't do things by half-measures, he "goes hard", so to speak, and it is that kind of person who is likely to push his/her body too far when trying to get higher and higher and as high as he/she possibly can.

Now, HERE IS MY POINT: Yes, it's sad, it's a sad thing to see someone basically killing themselves in front of you and being powerless to stop it and see all their potential go to waste and see their family suffer and so on. But what really, really needs to be pointed out here and especially for the benefit of "football people" is that Ben Cousins is one of the lucky junkies. As far as junkies go, Ben Cousins has got it GOOD. He's got plenty of money, he's got a strong support system who are behind him and helping him and who love him, he's got all the specialist treatment and prescription drug programs available to him. In all likelihood, Ben Cousins WON'T die anytime soon, but what will happen is he'll live a long life, a long life of taking drugs. There are heroin addicts who are 60 years old and have been addicted to heroin for 40 years and who are still living comfortably. And make no mistake, Ben Cousins will be taking drugs, prescription or otherwise, for the rest of his life, however long it may be.

SO, the people we really need to feel sorry for, the people who really deserve and actually need our sympathy and help and support, are the, for example, a female teenage junkie who has no money, no support structure, had an abusive childhood, had to abort a child, and is now living on the street. Who's there to help her when she chokes on her own vomit? And the sad fact is that it is this type of junkie who is always written off in disgust and dismissed as worthless and stupid by naive people who sit on their high horse and assume their own moral superiority.

If there is one good thing to come out of this whole Ben Cousins saga, it is that maybe, just maybe, people will come to see that drug addicts are normal human beings, some are brilliant human beings, even, some of the greatest artist who ever lived were/are drug addicts. And yes, the great Ben cousins, the all-australian, captain, premiership player, brownlow medalist, elite AFL footballing champion, he too, is and was a junkie. Junkies need to be helped, not hindered.

Now, I've got another salient point:

There is no chance in hell that a good portion of the West Coast Eagles 2005 premiership team wasn't on drugs. How many players from that team have already shown that they have drug problems? 3, 4, 5? Junkies, drug-induced psychotics, connections to bikers, the list goes on. And this is just the stuff we know about.

When the Melbourne Storm were stripped of their premiership for cheating, Demetriou came out and said, "We'd have done the same thing." Yeah, he talks tough, Demetriou, doesn't he, but there is no way he would do that. Carlton, who were categorically found to have rorted the salary cap to win the flag in '95, were not stripped of the cup but merely had sanctions put on them, which admittedly did send them to the bottom of the ladder for an extended period, but that ended up being a good thing for them as they were able to load up on high draft picks.

If Demetriou is fair-dinkum, he should launch a full-blown investigation into that 2005 WCE premiership winning team and no doubt through witnesses, maybe player testimonies etc. enough evidence of the taking of banned substances for AFL players could be gathered and then he should punish them accordingly.

[SaintPav]

Top post mate. But you know it won't happen....

This is a really fascinating topic because drug culture and football rarely ever come into contact with each other and "football people" are among the least educated and most highly naive when it comes to drugs. WARNING: I feel a long post coming on....

There are players who, for example, pop ecstasy in the summer break. There IS an underground drug culture at clubs. I would actually be highly surprised if there weren't a few St.Kilda players who pop a bit of x over the summer holidays. I'm sure there are. The Dawson/Steven/Stanley NZ incident should pretty much confirm it for everyone. If they're willing to pop prescription drugs on a CLUB CAMP, then no doubt they're willing to indulge in harder narcotics when they're on holidays and completely free from club responsibilities.

Now, Ben Cousins just so happens to have the type of personality that is highly susceptible to drug addiction. We saw that drive, that motivation to do everything to its utmost, to push himself as far as he could go, on the footy field during his playing career. He's the sort of person who doesn't do things by half-measures, he "goes hard", so to speak, and it is that kind of person who is likely to push his/her body too far when trying to get higher and higher and as high as he/she possibly can.

Now, HERE IS MY POINT: Yes, it's sad, it's a sad thing to see someone basically killing themselves in front of you and being powerless to stop it and see all their potential go to waste and see their family suffer and so on. But what really, really needs to be pointed out here and especially for the benefit of "football people" is that Ben Cousins is one of the lucky junkies. As far as junkies go, Ben Cousins has got it GOOD. He's got plenty of money, he's got a strong support system who are behind him and helping him and who love him, he's got all the specialist treatment and prescription drug programs available to him. In all likelihood, Ben Cousins WON'T die anytime soon, but what will happen is he'll live a long life, a long life of taking drugs. There are heroin addicts who are 60 years old and have been addicted to heroin for 40 years and who are still living comfortably. And make no mistake, Ben Cousins will be taking drugs, prescription or otherwise, for the rest of his life, however long it may be.

SO, the people we really need to feel sorry for, the people who really deserve and actually need our sympathy and help and support, are the, for example, a female teenage junkie who has no money, no support structure, had an abusive childhood, had to abort a child, and is now living on the street. Who's there to help her when she chokes on her own vomit? And the sad fact is that it is this type of junkie who is always written off in disgust and dismissed as worthless and stupid by naive people who sit on their high horse and assume their own moral superiority.

If there is one good thing to come out of this whole Ben Cousins saga, it is that maybe, just maybe, people will come to see that drug addicts are normal human beings, some are brilliant human beings, even, some of the greatest artist who ever lived were/are drug addicts. And yes, the great Ben cousins, the all-australian, captain, premiership player, brownlow medalist, elite AFL footballing champion, he too, is and was a junkie. Junkies need to be helped, not hindered.

Now, I've got another salient point:

There is no chance in hell that a good portion of the West Coast Eagles 2005 premiership team wasn't on drugs. How many players from that team have already shown that they have drug problems? 3, 4, 5? Junkies, drug-induced psychotics, connections to bikers, the list goes on. And this is just the stuff we know about.

When the Melbourne Storm were stripped of their premiership for cheating, Demetriou came out and said, "We'd have done the same thing." Yeah, he talks tough, Demetriou, doesn't he, but there is no way he would do that. Carlton, who were categorically found to have rorted the salary cap to win the flag in '95, were not stripped of the cup but merely had sanctions put on them, which admittedly did send them to the bottom of the ladder for an extended period, but that ended up being a good thing for them as they were able to load up on high draft picks.

If Demetriou is fair-dinkum, he should launch a full-blown investigation into that 2005 WCE premiership winning team and no doubt through witnesses, maybe player testimonies etc. enough evidence of the taking of banned substances for AFL players could be gathered and then he should punish them accordingly.

[jonesy]

We should of recruited him ...sack the board

[Enrico_Misso]

Yes, at least this will shut up the faction in our club that were full on wanting us to recruit this waste of space.

[StNoodles]

I have known a few people that I went to school with and a family member battle heroin addiction. My family member came through it but it took about 10 years and is now honest and productive.

Of the guys I knew from school about half died from over doses. Some were the last guys you would have expected to be on it others looked like they were heading down hill quickly.

I got to see a fair bit of destructive behavior and would suggest Ben was on anything he could get. Most junkies don't mind what they take, one was shooting up pills that would result in septic sores on his arms but didn't stop.

Nearly all started on weed and all progressed through speed, pills anything. heroin comes easily and cheaply so they end up there.

Hope he gets help but at the end of the day he won't stop until he has become tired of the life.

At the end of the day his family will probably be doing tougher than him.

Good to see someone with an actual knowledge of the drug and circumstances surrounding its use posting. *Most* of the others are just regurgitating what they've chosen to swallow.

[StNoodles]

Apologies

[plugger66]

Yes, at least this will shut up the faction in our club that were full on wanting us to recruit this waste of space.

Yep because that has a lot to do with what is happening now. I just cant stand do gooders who cant see that some people have certain sicknesses.

[bobmurray]

Fortunately he didn't play for the Saints ...therefore the shite isn't ours.....

good luck Junkie Cousins