Nicholas Winmar - the forgotten man

[Con Gorozidis]

I know he got a 2 year contract mid way through last year - so he will get every oppourtunity.

But where do people think he is at?

Seems to be the fogotten man on the saints list. Fallen through the cracks between known performers, up and comers and the excitement of the new draftees.

[Dave Robicheaux]

just could be the ex-factor y'all!

[hungry for a premiership]

From what I've seen he looks to have a good body shape and good athletic ability and good skill, I just question though whether he has the hardness and dedication to make it at afl level.

[Saints94]

From what I've seen he looks to have a good body shape and good athletic ability and good skill, I just question though whether he has the hardness and dedication to make it at afl level.

+1

[St Ick]

From what I've seen he looks to have a good body shape and good athletic ability and good skill, I just question though whether he has the hardness and dedication to make it at afl level.

+1

Not sure about body shape, still quite skinny. Still yet to see him go hard enough and get enough of it to suggest he will make it. I'd like to be proven wrong though!

[Stillwaiting]

From what I've seen he looks to have a good body shape and good athletic ability and good skill, I just question though whether he has the hardness and dedication to make it at afl level.

+1

Not sure about body shape, still quite skinny. Still yet to see him go hard enough and get enough of it to suggest he will make it. I'd like to be proven wrong though!

I have heard that he has bulked up a bit, if he has and can go a but harder at it he could be a good player for us. Hopfully he can get a few games this year.

[Eastern]

Seemed to injured quite a lot too. Lets hope thats behind him and he can have a decent crack at it !!

[dcstkfc]

Big year for him, would want to go into 2013 at least in our best 26-27.

[stkildathunda]

From what I've seen he looks to have a good body shape and good athletic ability and good skill, I just question though whether he has the hardness and dedication to make it at afl level.

+1

Not sure about body shape, still quite skinny. Still yet to see him go hard enough and get enough of it to suggest he will make it. I'd like to be proven wrong though!

I have heard that he has bulked up a bit, if he has and can go a but harder at it he could be a good player for us. Hopfully he can get a few games this year.

Cant say i thought he had bulked up when ive seen him at training. Is nearly as injury prone as the Clarkes. Has already had multiple ankle injuries/problems this preseason and from what i gathered when I spoke to him he is a long way off full training. Wouldnt be surprised if we didnt see him in seniors in opening half of season. (or at least first 5 rounds)

[BigMart]

Fragile as tissue paper......

[skeptic]

is it my imagination or do we seem to be terrible at managing the health of our indigenous players?

[Zed]

Fragile as tissue paper......

COnsidering he was drafted in the Misson era does not bode well that he is so injury prone. Let's hope our new rehab team is at least as good as Misson and co were.

[Old Mate]

From the little that I've seen he won't make it. Hope he proves me wrong.

[The Fireman]

is it my imagination or do we seem to be terrible at managing the health of our indigenous players?

?? I would imagine every player would receive equal care...an odd thing to say.

[skeptic]

is it my imagination or do we seem to be terrible at managing the health of our indigenous players?

?? I would imagine every player would receive equal care...an odd thing to say.

I just mean Raph is brittle and injury prone... X Clarke... enough said and now Winmar too
All really prone to soft tissue injuries


maybe our knowledge in this area is somewhat poor?

Don't mean to imply racial undertones

[WinnersOnly]

is it my imagination or do we seem to be terrible at managing the health of our indigenous players?

?? I would imagine every player would receive equal care...an odd thing to say.

I just mean Raph is brittle and injury prone... X Clarke... enough said and now Winmar too
All really prone to soft tissue injuries


maybe our knowledge in this area is somewhat poor?

Don't mean to imply racial undertones

It's about their work ethic ! There is no way either Raph or X have prepared themselves well enough for AFL football. It is something that has taken Armitage a long time to come to grips with also. Winmar will take time to develop but whether he is worth persisting with I dont know.

Its a shame clubs cant move players from the Senior list back to the rookie list, as he and Crocker I would move back to give them time to develop their bodies and reward a performing rookie players.

[Dr Spaceman]

is it my imagination or do we seem to be terrible at managing the health of our indigenous players?

?? I would imagine every player would receive equal care...an odd thing to say.

I just mean Raph is brittle and injury prone... X Clarke... enough said and now Winmar too
All really prone to soft tissue injuries


maybe our knowledge in this area is somewhat poor?

Don't mean to imply racial undertones

It's about their work ethic ! There is no way either Raph or X have prepraed themselves well enough for AFL football. It is something that has taken Armitage a long time to come to grips with also. Winmar will take time to develop but is he worth persisting with I dont know.

Its a shame clubws cant move players from the Senior list back to the rookie list, as he is one player who I would move back to give him a wake up call and reward a performing rookie player.

Well all I know is that all all seem to arrive with very skinny legs.

[The Fireman]

is it my imagination or do we seem to be terrible at managing the health of our indigenous players?

?? I would imagine every player would receive equal care...an odd thing to say.

I just mean Raph is brittle and injury prone... X Clarke... enough said and now Winmar too
All really prone to soft tissue injuries


maybe our knowledge in this area is somewhat poor?

Don't mean to imply racial undertones

I didn't think you did but you think they have different soft tissues?

[SaintPav]

is it my imagination or do we seem to be terrible at managing the health of our indigenous players?

?? I would imagine every player would receive equal care...an odd thing to say.

I just mean Raph is brittle and injury prone... X Clarke... enough said and now Winmar too
All really prone to soft tissue injuries


maybe our knowledge in this area is somewhat poor?

Don't mean to imply racial undertones

I'm not saying that you are being racist but why do you only mention indigenous players?

You can have also mentioned Luke Ball, Cripps, Jesse Smith and Kosie to name a few.

[SaintPav]

is it my imagination or do we seem to be terrible at managing the health of our indigenous players?

?? I would imagine every player would receive equal care...an odd thing to say.

I just mean Raph is brittle and injury prone... X Clarke... enough said and now Winmar too
All really prone to soft tissue injuries


maybe our knowledge in this area is somewhat poor?

Don't mean to imply racial undertones

It's about their work ethic ! There is no way either Raph or X have prepared themselves well enough for AFL football. It is something that has taken Armitage a long time to come to grips with also. Winmar will take time to develop but whether he is worth persisting with I dont know.

Its a shame clubs cant move players from the Senior list back to the rookie list, as he and Crocker I would move back to give them time to develop their bodies and reward a performing rookie players.

What a load of crap.

[Old Mate]

is it my imagination or do we seem to be terrible at managing the health of our indigenous players?

?? I would imagine every player would receive equal care...an odd thing to say.

I just mean Raph is brittle and injury prone... X Clarke... enough said and now Winmar too
All really prone to soft tissue injuries


maybe our knowledge in this area is somewhat poor?

Don't mean to imply racial undertones

It's about their work ethic ! There is no way either Raph or X have prepared themselves well enough for AFL football. It is something that has taken Armitage a long time to come to grips with also. Winmar will take time to develop but whether he is worth persisting with I dont know.

Its a shame clubs cant move players from the Senior list back to the rookie list, as he and Crocker I would move back to give them time to develop their bodies and reward a performing rookie players.

What a load of crap.

Goddard a few years back said in the media that Raph needs to apply himself more on the track. I don't have the link but I reckon there would be a few on here that remember the interview that could corroborate the story.

There has been rumours going around since Armitage was recruited that he is lazy on the track.

Not sure about X Clarke or Winmar though.

I would say blokes like Ball and Kosi and probably X Clarke are victims of poor fitness management that we copped in the Grant Thomas era.

So not all crap, but your well thought out response was.

[SaintPav]

is it my imagination or do we seem to be terrible at managing the health of our indigenous players?

?? I would imagine every player would receive equal care...an odd thing to say.

I just mean Raph is brittle and injury prone... X Clarke... enough said and now Winmar too
All really prone to soft tissue injuries


maybe our knowledge in this area is somewhat poor?

Don't mean to imply racial undertones

It's about their work ethic ! There is no way either Raph or X have prepared themselves well enough for AFL football. It is something that has taken Armitage a long time to come to grips with also. Winmar will take time to develop but whether he is worth persisting with I dont know.

Its a shame clubs cant move players from the Senior list back to the rookie list, as he and Crocker I would move back to give them time to develop their bodies and reward a performing rookie players.

What a load of crap.

Goddard a few years back said in the media that Raph needs to apply himself more on the track. I don't have the link but I reckon there would be a few on here that remember the interview that could corroborate the story.

There has been rumours going around since Armitage was recruited that he is lazy on the track.

Not sure about X Clarke or Winmar though.

I would say blokes like Ball and Kosi and probably X Clarke are victims of poor fitness management that we copped in the Grant Thomas era.

So not all crap, but your well thought out response was.

Was i talking to you old fart.

[Old Mate]

is it my imagination or do we seem to be terrible at managing the health of our indigenous players?

?? I would imagine every player would receive equal care...an odd thing to say.

I just mean Raph is brittle and injury prone... X Clarke... enough said and now Winmar too
All really prone to soft tissue injuries


maybe our knowledge in this area is somewhat poor?

Don't mean to imply racial undertones

It's about their work ethic ! There is no way either Raph or X have prepared themselves well enough for AFL football. It is something that has taken Armitage a long time to come to grips with also. Winmar will take time to develop but whether he is worth persisting with I dont know.

Its a shame clubs cant move players from the Senior list back to the rookie list, as he and Crocker I would move back to give them time to develop their bodies and reward a performing rookie players.

What a load of crap.

Goddard a few years back said in the media that Raph needs to apply himself more on the track. I don't have the link but I reckon there would be a few on here that remember the interview that could corroborate the story.

There has been rumours going around since Armitage was recruited that he is lazy on the track.

Not sure about X Clarke or Winmar though.

I would say blokes like Ball and Kosi and probably X Clarke are victims of poor fitness management that we copped in the Grant Thomas era.

So not all crap, but your well thought out response was.

Was i talking to you old fart.

It's a public forum douche so what ever you write won't only be critiqued by the person you're quoting. I guess you have never entered a conversation that isn't directed only at you?

[SaintPav]

is it my imagination or do we seem to be terrible at managing the health of our indigenous players?

?? I would imagine every player would receive equal care...an odd thing to say.

I just mean Raph is brittle and injury prone... X Clarke... enough said and now Winmar too
All really prone to soft tissue injuries


maybe our knowledge in this area is somewhat poor?

Don't mean to imply racial undertones

It's about their work ethic ! There is no way either Raph or X have prepared themselves well enough for AFL football. It is something that has taken Armitage a long time to come to grips with also. Winmar will take time to develop but whether he is worth persisting with I dont know.

Its a shame clubs cant move players from the Senior list back to the rookie list, as he and Crocker I would move back to give them time to develop their bodies and reward a performing rookie players.

What a load of crap.

Goddard a few years back said in the media that Raph needs to apply himself more on the track. I don't have the link but I reckon there would be a few on here that remember the interview that could corroborate the story.

There has been rumours going around since Armitage was recruited that he is lazy on the track.

Not sure about X Clarke or Winmar though.

I would say blokes like Ball and Kosi and probably X Clarke are victims of poor fitness management that we copped in the Grant Thomas era.

So not all crap, but your well thought out response was.

BTW, so you're only half sure about what he said is true so best case scenario, it's only half crap. You really have no idea old fart. Best to mind your own.

[SaintPav]

is it my imagination or do we seem to be terrible at managing the health of our indigenous players?

?? I would imagine every player would receive equal care...an odd thing to say.

I just mean Raph is brittle and injury prone... X Clarke... enough said and now Winmar too
All really prone to soft tissue injuries


maybe our knowledge in this area is somewhat poor?

Don't mean to imply racial undertones

It's about their work ethic ! There is no way either Raph or X have prepared themselves well enough for AFL football. It is something that has taken Armitage a long time to come to grips with also. Winmar will take time to develop but whether he is worth persisting with I dont know.

Its a shame clubs cant move players from the Senior list back to the rookie list, as he and Crocker I would move back to give them time to develop their bodies and reward a performing rookie players.

What a load of crap.

Goddard a few years back said in the media that Raph needs to apply himself more on the track. I don't have the link but I reckon there would be a few on here that remember the interview that could corroborate the story.

There has been rumours going around since Armitage was recruited that he is lazy on the track.

Not sure about X Clarke or Winmar though.

I would say blokes like Ball and Kosi and probably X Clarke are victims of poor fitness management that we copped in the Grant Thomas era.

So not all crap, but your well thought out response was.

Was i talking to you old fart.

It's a public forum douche so what ever you write won't only be critiqued by the person you're quoting. I guess you have never entered a conversation that isn't directed only at you?

You're not even sure if what he wrote is true and you're have a go...lol..get real old fart.

BTW, old fart, they happen to be all indigenous players that he has pointed out. He has no evidence that Raph, X or Winmar had a poor work ethic. Give me facts and I will shut up.