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Hopefully we'll get on the front foot a bit more than we did under Lyin' ... play a few shots, kick some goals, take a chance or two.
Nonsense.
Our game was built around filling up our defensive half when the ball was there and winning the turn-over and then it was on.
We would play the overlap going forward and it was both really successful and bloody impressive to watch.
Those days are gone and you will have to find a way to move on from them.
It's time for some fresh ideas, which will involve structural changes.
We had it half right under Lyin', who IMO did us a favour by jumping ship.
Hopefully we can now still defend well .... and score as well. And maybe have some strategies than "kick it to Roo".
The thing that i find funny is BJ has proven to be an outstanding HBF and onballer but apart from one cameo hasnt proven himself up forward but we are now saying it is his best position. There is no doubt footy starts around the middle of the ground and sets up the forwards with good quick movement. We struggling this year up forward because our onballers struggling to win the ball and the struggled to kick it to advantage. Now people are saying we should take away one our best kicks and one of our better ball getters to play him forward. If we do that he will have minimal impact up forward as Roo and Kosi did this year.
BJ will play as an onballer and a floating HB and very occasionally up forward and that is ideal for him and ore importantly the side.
By the fresh ideas are fine but playing guys in their best positions for the team is much better than fresh ideas. Watters I doubt is stupid so dont expect that fresh idea.
plugger66 wrote:By the fresh ideas are fine but playing guys in their best positions for the team is much better than fresh ideas. Watters I doubt is stupid so dont expect that fresh idea.
I think he'll prove an innovative coach rather than a "steady as she goes" coach.
He may want more out of Goddard than we got last season, hence a positional change.
If he's as smart as he seems he will also want to shift the suffocating reliance on Riewoldt and ease the pressure on him. We'll find out.
plugger66 wrote:By the fresh ideas are fine but playing guys in their best positions for the team is much better than fresh ideas. Watters I doubt is stupid so dont expect that fresh idea.
I think he'll prove an innovative coach rather than a "steady as she goes" coach.
He may want more out of Goddard than we got last season, hence a positional change.
If he's as smart as he seems he will also want to shift the suffocating reliance on Riewoldt and ease the pressure on him. We'll find out.
Personally I'd also give Goddard the captaincy .
Now I know you are having a lend of me but why would you give him the captaincy? What has Rooy dont wrong apart from one ordinary season. Dont tell me it is to take pressure off Rooy like the cricket has done for Ponting. Maybe you just sent a little early on that call.
By the way where was BJ playing in that great comeback in 2010 first GF. I have forgotten. Was it FF or CHF or maybe neither. Wasnt that game the reason people thought BJ may be the best player in the AFL in 2011?
plugger66 wrote:people thought BJ may be the best player in the AFL in 2011?
His form hardly justified that tag, though, did it.
Let's face it, he had a poor season by the standard of his capabilities.
I didnt say he had a good season, I said the GF in 2010 was the reason many people thought he would be the best player in 2011 and I doubt any thought that because he was going to play at CHF. I think they would have thought that because he was going to be and onballer, a HBF and a resting forward.
It happens when players play exceptionally well in the big one.
We need him delivering the footy out of the backline, but he should rest up forward.
He must start down back though, because without Gwilt we have very few players who use it well in that area of the ground.
STRENGTH THROUGH LOYALTY.
''I still get really excited, and I've got the '66 thing up on the wall in a frame … You look at it and think: one day, we want to achieve that.''- Arryn Siposs
whiskers3614 wrote:BJ had to play in defence while Dawson was there just to maintain average IQ at the 100 mark' thasnkfully now liberated.
Great stuff.
Dawson is prone to a brain-fade
STRENGTH THROUGH LOYALTY.
''I still get really excited, and I've got the '66 thing up on the wall in a frame … You look at it and think: one day, we want to achieve that.''- Arryn Siposs
The problem with BJ in defense is he's not responsible for his opponent, he leaves him alone too often, you see him directing traffic and running off his man all the time and it's often his opponent who hurts us on the scoreboard..
Did Ross give him licence to do that, i don't know but his team mates have their own opponents to worry about, i just find BJ doesn't like to be accountable...
I often debate that very point with the guy next to me at the footy.....
especially when it's costly....
How many defenders will The Saints pick in the 2024 draft ?
bobmurray wrote:The problem with BJ in defense is he's not responsible for his opponent, he leaves him alone too often, you see him directing traffic and running off his man all the time and it's often his opponent who hurts us on the scoreboard..
Did Ross give him licence to do that, i don't know but his team mates have their own opponents to worry about, i just find BJ doesn't like to be accountable...
I often debate that very point with the guy next to me at the footy.....
especially when it's costly....
1st rule of gambling you must risk losing to win.If BJ is to create out of defence he must play a bit looser than someone who is only trying to nullify his direct opponent.
Riewoldt and Goddard to live up to their reputations ,Clarke and Ray to defy theirs in 2012!
plugger66 wrote:The thing that i find funny is BJ has proven to be an outstanding HBF and onballer but apart from one cameo hasnt proven himself up forward but we are now saying it is his best position.
Me thinks you're being a bit selective there
I think some ppl are saying that the clubs needs him to play up forward because he is one of th few with the skills to do it.
HBF is the easiest position on the ground to play... Look at Leon Davis or Aussie Jones... couldn't hack it up forward or as a pure mid yet gun HBF.
We have a reasonable number of mid candidates too
I restate my assertion that he should be played in 2 positions on the ground, at roughly 50% of his game time spent in each position: 1.) Half-back, 2.) Half-forward.
He's not needed in the midfield directly, as we have enough midfield rotations as it is, and when he's on half back setting up play, he often roams into the midfield as it is.
At half forward his skills can be utilised to cause the most damage to other sides: scoreboard damage. In 2008 and 2011 I found that our defense was still up to scratch, but our ineptitude going into attack was the reason we couldn't match it with the top sides. BJ could solve this problem off his own boot in my opinion. Let him play up to a half or even more of his game time as a forward for a good half a season, and I think we'll find it's a great position for him.
plugger66 wrote:The thing that i find funny is BJ has proven to be an outstanding HBF and onballer but apart from one cameo hasnt proven himself up forward but we are now saying it is his best position.
Me thinks you're being a bit selective there
I think some ppl are saying that the clubs needs him to play up forward because he is one of th few with the skills to do it.
HBF is the easiest position on the ground to play... Look at Leon Davis or Aussie Jones... couldn't hack it up forward or as a pure mid yet gun HBF.
We have a reasonable number of mid candidates too
Not many ready forwards though
If HBF is that easy then why dont we have 2 outstanding HBF's. I reckon it is because you still have to be a star to play that position. As per the 2 players you mentioned. Leon twice AA anf Aussie a very good player.
plugger66 wrote:The thing that i find funny is BJ has proven to be an outstanding HBF and onballer but apart from one cameo hasnt proven himself up forward but we are now saying it is his best position.
Me thinks you're being a bit selective there
I think some ppl are saying that the clubs needs him to play up forward because he is one of th few with the skills to do it.
HBF is the easiest position on the ground to play... Look at Leon Davis or Aussie Jones... couldn't hack it up forward or as a pure mid yet gun HBF.
We have a reasonable number of mid candidates too
Not many ready forwards though
If HBF is that easy then why dont we have 2 outstanding HBF's. I reckon it is because you still have to be a star to play that position. As per the 2 players you mentioned. Leon twice AA anf Aussie a very good player.
bobmurray wrote:The problem with BJ in defense is he's not responsible for his opponent, he leaves him alone too often, you see him directing traffic and running off his man all the time and it's often his opponent who hurts us on the scoreboard..
Did Ross give him licence to do that, i don't know but his team mates have their own opponents to worry about, i just find BJ doesn't like to be accountable...
I often debate that very point with the guy next to me at the footy.....
especially when it's costly....
1st rule of gambling you must risk losing to win.If BJ is to create out of defence he must play a bit looser than someone who is only trying to nullify his direct opponent.
And if his opponent turns the game then that's the price...no wonder i don't like gambling
How many defenders will The Saints pick in the 2024 draft ?
No disrespect to Goddard but when he has been played as a stay at home forward he gets stuck being man on man. He looks great as a forward when he uses his bulk to push off an opponent and run off them to get a mark.
Too often when asked to play as a more old fashioned stay at home forward he goes missing. He hates someone shoulder to shoulder and often becomes petulant and starts string down the umpires instead of getting free of his man.
He struggles when tagged back as well and if he could improve anything in his game it would be the ability to break away from heavy attention from a defensive player.
I would keep him back because all forward defenders are going to be expected to be attacking players too. Most permanent backs are going to be solely focussed on stopping their man.
gringo wrote:No disrespect to Goddard but when he has been played as a stay at home forward he gets stuck being man on man. He looks great as a forward when he uses his bulk to push off an opponent and run off them to get a mark.
Too often when asked to play as a more old fashioned stay at home forward he goes missing. He hates someone shoulder to shoulder and often becomes petulant and starts string down the umpires instead of getting free of his man.
He struggles when tagged back as well and if he could improve anything in his game it would be the ability to break away from heavy attention from a defensive player.
I would keep him back because all forward defenders are going to be expected to be attacking players too. Most permanent backs are going to be solely focussed on stopping their man.
Which BJ doesn't do all that well at...consistently
New coach, so for me anyway, it's something i'll be watching
How many defenders will The Saints pick in the 2024 draft ?
plugger66 wrote:
If HBF is that easy then why dont we have 2 outstanding HBF's. I reckon it is because you still have to be a star to play that position. As per the 2 players you mentioned. Leon twice AA anf Aussie a very good player.
Again you're twiating words...
I didn't say it was an easy position, I said it was the easiest position on the ground... there's a difference.
And you've actually hit the nail on the head... We don't have 2 outstanding HBF backs... but IMO that says more about our list then anything else
plugger66 wrote:
If HBF is that easy then why dont we have 2 outstanding HBF's. I reckon it is because you still have to be a star to play that position. As per the 2 players you mentioned. Leon twice AA anf Aussie a very good player.
Again you're twiating words...
I didn't say it was an easy position, I said it was the easiest position on the ground... there's a difference.
And you've actually hit the nail on the head... We don't have 2 outstanding HBF backs... but IMO that says more about our list then anything else
Well we have one and we want to turn him into an ordinary forward even though it seems forwards arent as important as onballers and running HB these days. Anyway it matters little what we say but I still think BJ will only play up forward on those limited occasions when he rests there.
